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post #81 of 476
Joining you ladies

We took a NFP class through the Couple to Couple league back in 2005.. It was going great until user error ("I never ovulate before x day") resulted in our daughter (whom we love) B. I can't use hormonal birth control and I'm getting tired of abstaining/using other birth control all month long while waiting for my period to arrive at some point in time. So, back to charting we are.

FF is being weird and has given me early cross-hairs but I think they are wrong and I'm waiting for things to readjust themselves. I typically have 29-35 day cycles and when charting last time I seemed to have a 10 day luteal phase. It's nice to know when to expect my period again instead of just guessing that it will show up eventually.

My chart : http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/862df
post #82 of 476
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lyterae: thanks, i added you!

I find it intersting that so many doctors think that FAM is so "medieval." I've tried telling drs. that it isn't the rhythm method, but no luck there. I will definitely lie about the date of my LMP whenever that becomes necessary for dating pregnancy. And there are a few EDD calculators online that let you figure from O date.

Speaking of which, my temp was up again today to 97.7, though I took it an hour late because I forgot to set my alarm. Yesterday I had a little bit of EWCF in the morning, but by the end of the day it was def. creamy, and it didn't feel like the "super fertile slippery" EWCF, either. So I'm counting it as creamy on FF, just so it doesn't screw me up, but make a note of it on paper. We'll see! I guess in a way I'm almost suprised I ovulated, though interestingly it was on CD 41, and last cycle I O'd on CD 42.
post #83 of 476
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Originally Posted by wholewheatchick View Post
I will definitely lie about the date of my LMP whenever that becomes necessary for dating pregnancy.
I understand your reasoning behind this. It's easier than trying to argue with the docs. However, I think it's important for those of us who use this method to speak up about it and show the medical professionals that we know what we're doing and we know what we're talking about. After seeing my OB with ds2's pregnancy a few times he announced to a medical student that I was the type of patient every doc should want because I was informed and knew what I wanted and didn't wanted. Maybe that also influenced that medical student so that she'll give more credence to the woman who comes to her using NFP and knows what's going on with her body.

If you are honest and confident and insistent, there's nothing they can do but disagree with you. They can't force you to be induced because they think you're overdue when you're not. As long as you know what's up, you don't have to worry about that. Also, many places now do dating u/ses at around 9-10w that would confirm your date rather than theirs. Then when they start freaking out that your pg is not progressing as they think it should you can remain calm and just say, "I told you so."

As to your chart, even if you adjust your temp down, it would still be above your CL.
post #84 of 476
soooooooo - what'da girls think?

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e

One thing is forsure and that is that my CM has DRIED up! I went from super super abundant amounts of clear EWCF to just a little scant amount a few times yesterday (almost like semen residue or something, like the leftovers) to DRY today! I think the only time of my cycle when I am dry is before my period.
I think 'really' charting has saved me probably at least 20 bucks in pregnancy tests! LOL
On another note - if it turns out that I did ovulate (I think I did) what is the rule? Tomorrow night is ok to DTD if I get another high temp tomorrow morning?
post #85 of 476
Yup, another temp over 97.5 and you're good to go! ...as long as things stay dried up, which given those temperatures I'm fairly certain they will. That looks like a pretty clear thermal shift with a pre-O dip, even!

post #86 of 476
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Originally Posted by eirual View Post
Yup, another temp over 97.5 and you're good to go! ...as long as things stay dried up, which given those temperatures I'm fairly certain they will. That looks like a pretty clear thermal shift with a pre-O dip, even!


Thanks for the help!
I know - I'm sooo proud of my body, pre-o dip and all................it never does anything it is souposed too!
post #87 of 476
I don't remember who it was that asked, but yes I'd like to be added in to the list. I was giving myself a few days to see if I was actually going to stick with it this time, but I'm still here so....

DH and I have been using FAM pretty unofficially since getting married two years ago (ie, I keep forgetting to temp, but I'm always aware of how long my cycles are, and watching for signs of CM or ovulation pains). I consider that success, especially considering it's often been halfhearted (I'm ready to ttc, but he's not yet). We're looking at ttc sometime this winter, so I figure I'll start charting full time again, and that way at least I'll be able to know more accurately where I'm at.

In good news, now that I have temps in the beginning of my cycle for this wakeup time, I can see what was happening last cycle (I guess on my pre-o temps based on previous charts).
post #88 of 476
CD1! Yay for a break from temping. Boo for cramps
post #89 of 476
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Originally Posted by eirual View Post
Yup, another temp over 97.5 and you're good to go! ...as long as things stay dried up, which given those temperatures I'm fairly certain they will. That looks like a pretty clear thermal shift with a pre-O dip, even!
I agree with this except for one thing. With a clear and sustained thermal shift, you don't need to worry about your CF. So, if tomorrow's temp is above 97.5 but you get wetter CF, you can ignore the CF and consider yourself safe after 6 pm and from then after.
post #90 of 476
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
I agree with this except for one thing. With a clear and sustained thermal shift, you don't need to worry about your CF. So, if tomorrow's temp is above 97.5 but you get wetter CF, you can ignore the CF and consider yourself safe after 6 pm and from then after.

You read my mind! I was just gonna ask what I was souposed to do with my CF......
If I was just using a CF only method this would only be 2nd day post peak, which means that tomorrow is off until the NEXT night.

Thanks for the info
post #91 of 476
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Originally Posted by annie2186 View Post
You read my mind! I was just gonna ask what I was souposed to do with my CF......
If I was just using a CF only method this would only be 2nd day post peak, which means that tomorrow is off until the NEXT night.

Thanks for the info
Yeah, if you were just doing CF, you'd have to wait until after 6 pm of the 4th consecutive day of CF dry up but then you'd also have to consider any wetter CF after that as potentially fertile again. When using temps, you don't need to track CF at all to confirm O. Obviously, you need to track it for TTA purposes. According to TCOYF, usually, the 4th day of CF dry up corresponds with the 3rd consecutive high temp of the thermal shift but not always.
post #92 of 476
Another temp up today, I think if I get another high temp tomorrow FF will finally agree with me that I didn't ovulate on Day 9 this cycle.

A few months ago while charting off and on I felt bumps on my cervix that weren't there the previous month, so I made an appointment to go in and I finally gave up trying to explain to the doctor how I knew they weren't there before.. She couldn't seem to wrap her head around the fact that I did at least have some knowledge of my cervix.

Emily - thank you for adding me!

Trying to clean the house up before work tomorrow, I opted for a 3 hour afternoon nap instead of doing something productive now I have to make up for it.

night!
post #93 of 476
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Originally Posted by lyterae View Post
Another temp up today, I think if I get another high temp tomorrow FF will finally agree with me that I didn't ovulate on Day 9 this cycle.

A few months ago while charting off and on I felt bumps on my cervix that weren't there the previous month, so I made an appointment to go in and I finally gave up trying to explain to the doctor how I knew they weren't there before.. She couldn't seem to wrap her head around the fact that I did at least have some knowledge of my cervix.
I meant to tell you I didn't think you Oed when FF said. I was thinking it was maybe the more recent temp rise. I guess that was 2 days ago?

TCOYF mentions bumps on the cervix. They can come and go and are usually nothing to worry about.
post #94 of 476
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post
I meant to tell you I didn't think you Oed when FF said. I was thinking it was maybe the more recent temp rise. I guess that was 2 days ago?
Yup, based on previous cycle length and temperatures I'm going with that as well. I'll wait a few more days to confirm the temps stay up.

I just borrowed a copy of TCOYF from the library to "freshen" up on things, it really is simply amazing and terribly sad that alot of women have no idea how it works. When I first went on birth control I didn't realize there were other options, I feel like it permanently screwed up my hormones (caused depression that seems to come and go now..)
post #95 of 476
Ok, I'm in need of some information/interpretation.

I'm 8dpo, and usually my lp runs 11-12 days. I'm spotting. How much can an lp vary? Do others spot days before their period? I've spotted before mid lp and I'm just curious (a little freaked). I'm pretty sure we're not pregnant, because we use condoms from my period till about 5 days after o. And we had no oppses with the condoms either.

Any ideas on the mid lp spotting?

Oh, here's my chart.


I should note that the cycle I conceived my son I did not spot mid lp. Cycle 4, if you want to see.
post #96 of 476
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post #97 of 476
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Griffskat: it is considered normal if your LP varies by 2 days in either direction. There are at least one or two women in this CTA thread that spot mid cycle, too. If you've had it before, I wouldn't be too worried...also, remember that spotting can result from a little too much fun in the bedroom

AFM: Woohooo!!!!! I !!!!!!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/277407

Took me till CD 41, but at least it happened! I O'd last cycle on CD 42. It really amazes me the stark contrast in CF between gearing up to O/O, and after O. And now, of couse, I'm all nervous and excited about whether we got PG or not. For the new girls, DH and I aren't technically CTA...we're just "whatevering" Though a lot of that depends on how long my LP is going to be...

Oh, so I had my blood drawn on the day I O'd. Will this affect anything? They are testing for PCOS and thryroid stuff, as welll as a total blood count, anemia, etc.???
post #98 of 476
griffskat: I've had mid LP spotting from BDing in a few recent cycles. Never had an issue with that before, but I don't think it's anything to worry about.

WWC: What a clear O! You couldn't ask for better! I'd say you have a rather high chance of pregnancy w/your BD dates. I don't think a blood draw could affect anything.

AFM: I've got a temp jump this am that I think will turn out to be O. My chart. I was hoping it would hold off for another week for optimal timing as far as DH being at home, but oh well. I'll probably have AF on our anniversary, too.
post #99 of 476
WWC. The blood draw shouldn't affect anything. Usually, when doing an infertility workup, they draw blood on CD3 but I don't think that applies for a general panel and thyroid. Did your doc tell you which blood test was supposed to help determine if you have PCOS? The only blood tests I can think of is fasting insulin and a 3 hour GITT. Oh, testosterone is another one they check but now I can't remember if that is supposed to be done on cd3.

Griffs ~ Your spotting looks like normal mid-lp spotting. That could be caused by the mid-lp estrogen surge. It also could be caused from physical cervical irritation, like WWC said. It also could be implantation spotting. The only time I ever spotted mid-lp was when I was pregnant. I didn't spot every time I was pregnant but every time I spotted I was pg, if that makes sense.

Shannon ~ I know how that is. If I O when FF predicts this cycle, I'll start on the first day of my romantic weekend away with my dh.
post #100 of 476
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Originally Posted by wholewheatchick View Post
AFM: Woohooo!!!!! I !!!!!!

DITTO for ME! WWC - we are O buddies this cycle

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e


I am surprised I had such a clear by the book O...........crazy! I am wondering how long my LP will be - I know I am BF so it might be a little off kilter for awhile, but I am still interested.

Yay for charting!!!

Thank you ladies for all of your help
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