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The Sleep Mystery Unravels ... it CAN'T be food, can it?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I am sorry for this long story, but I'm at my wits' end and have no idea what to do. So if you have time to read all this and think on it, I really appreciate it so much, thank you very much.

So I have a 9 mo. baby boy who, since about mid-September, has not been sleeping. He sleeps for less than two hours. He wakes up and never settles himself back down - if you wait, he will only whip himself into hysterics. It usually takes half an hour to get him back down, but sometimes he just won't go back down. Period. Then, he wakes up again 45 min - 2 hours later, never longer. Sometimes it's possible to get him back to sleep without nursing, but most of the time it's impossible, which is a problem since after a few rounds of this I have NOTHING LEFT IN THERE.

We've tried moving nap times and bedtime around, tried moving mealtimes around (no results),
tried getting him into a nap schedule of any kind (dismal failure),
feeding more or less at different times of day, tried cutting solids and just going back to the breast (didn't work - at this age he's constantly hungry as it is and becomes ravenous if he doesn't get some solids, even after my supply caught up),
we've tried bringing him into the bed with us and placing him in his crib - no improvement with either, but in bed with us, he will wake up if one of us so much as rolls over, coughs, sneezes, etc, and he wakes us up with his shuffling, so he sleeps a bit better in his crib.

We DON'T CIO or ferberize, but frequently he just won't stop crying as long as he even thinks we are still trying to get him to go back to sleep (the only way to stop it is to totally give up and take him out into the house and turn on lights and let him be all awake, and once you do that he's immediately happy), so eventually I do leave the room because it seems like my being there is just making it worse, and anyway I'm about to SNAP. Because of this, it seems like he winds up accidentally crying it out sometimes, and I can't necessarily tell the difference between what I'm doing and ferberizing some times - it makes me very guilty.

Most recently, I tried eliminating dairy. I didn't have ANY dairy for a week and a half, and at that point decided to try giving him a little lactaid before each nursing. That night and the next two nights he slept all night, waking up to nurse once in the middle of the night. But then... I kept giving him the lactaid but he went back to his old ways. I still hadn't had any dairy. By thanksgiving day, it had been over two weeks since I'd had dairy. On Thanksgiving we went to visit family. I didn't bring the lactaid. I ate copious amounts of dairy all weekend. My sister took his Pack'n'Play in her room and took night duty for us so we could finally get some sleep. He slept like a log in there all weekend, waking up only twice each night to eat and then going right back to sleep. The minute we took him home, he resumed his grueling nighttime schedule. He has also slept in a moses basket in the middle of the bed with our friends downstairs, and slept all night then, regardless of how he was sleeping for us at that time.

So there's no way it's something he's eating, right? He sleeps just fine with other people regardless of diet, location or who they are and keeps US up all night regardless of diet or location... It seems like that must rule out diet or any type of discomfort or pain, mustn't it? And if it was any of those things, surely a small distraction wouldn't instantly calm him?

I've got to figure out something to do that works. I can't function on a few 45 minute naps per night. Exhaustion is making me a bad, angry, lazy parent and also lowers my milk supply drastically. It's been three months of this and I'm a wreck. I even notice a big difference in the baby when he gets sleep at night - he's a happier, less clingy baby who makes advances with all of the things he's working on (crawling, standing, playing, going to the potty) when he's slept the night before. So I feel like this sleep situation is really detrimental to him on many different levels and can't be allowed to continue.
post #2 of 11
What if he just sleeps with his daddy and you are in another room? Does that change things?

I wish I had a solution for you. My older dd who is now 5 had her worst sleep around that age. I think the night we did our log for No Cry Sleep Solution she woke 11 times. All I can say is that it really does get better in time. Some of the solutions there may have helped, but really I think it was just time and a gradual process of helping her feel secure enough to finally sleep at night.
post #3 of 11
What I have heard about cutting out dairy is that there is an immediate improvement & then things actually get worse for awhile and THEN you see the actual improvement.

Perhaps you didn't do it for long enough?

It sure sounds like the dairy might make a difference.

My LO woke every hour on the hour ALL NIGHT LONG from 6 months to 10 months but he always wanted to go back to sleep, just didn't know how without the boob. He would usually just nurse for 5-10 minutes and then conk out again, which is very different then being awake awake.

So, IMO, frequent night waking is common & difficult for parents but not a problem for babes. But being wide awake and playing in the middle of the night seems like a different story to me. Maybe try the dairy elimination for a month??
post #4 of 11
Do you mean Lact Aid as in a supplemental nursing system? Or as in lactose free milk?
post #5 of 11
The thing no one tells you before you have a baby is that sometimes you will go crazy trying to figure out what is wrong because the baby can't tell you.
It is so frustrating and hard- your situation sounds particularly so.
I have no idea whether dairy is a factor or not but I know at kellymom.com they talk about elminating items for 3 weeks because it takes 1.5 weeks before it is elmininted from Mom's system and then 1.5 weeks to eliminate from baby's system after that.
Good luck and hang in there!
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
Viola, I mean Lactaid as in the pill you take before you eat something with dairy in it if you're lactose intolerant. Only ground to a powder and added to water.
post #7 of 11
Hm. That's interesting that Lact-aid helped, since as far as I know, it's the milk protien that's the problem, not lactose. In fact, our breast milk is made of lactose! (Also, I read that lactose intolerance doesn't set in until about 4 years old) I've been avoiding dairy since DS was 3 weeks old because he gets crazy gas if I don't. So, I'm thinking that his sleeping after using Lact-aid might have been a coincidence--since it helped, but then didnt help.

I wish I could offer more than sympathy. We are in the same boat. My DS is almost 9 mo. and sleep is basically non-existent around here as well. Frequent night wakings, won't go down for the night, won't nap. (Well, he's napping right now, thank goodness.) I'm about to pose my own question, in fact!
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Cartesia View Post
My LO woke every hour on the hour ALL NIGHT LONG from 6 months to 10 months but he always wanted to go back to sleep, just didn't know how without the boob. He would usually just nurse for 5-10 minutes and then conk out again, which is very different then being awake awake.
Cartesia, how did he figure out how to go back to sleep without the boob? That's what I think is happening with my son as well, he's almost 9 mo and has been doing the same thing your LO did, wakes up to suck then conks right out. Did you do anything to encourage this, or did it just happen as he matured? Also, do you cosleep?
post #9 of 11
We never had nighttime issues to your extent, but occasionally we'd have episodes where DS would wake up for no apparent reason & become inconsolable until we took him out into the living room where there was light (from the streetlights if nothing else). It sounds like you've tried everything else, so I'll toss this out there...have you tried leaving a light on low? It worked occasionally for us, although I couldn't tell you why!

Also, re-reading some of your post, it seems the nights he slept better with others he's been in a smaller "nest", ie. PnP or moses basket. I presume you've tried re-creating this yourself?

Not alot of advice, I know, but couldn't read without trying to offer some kind of suggestion! Good luck!
post #10 of 11
Not a whole lot of advice to offer, but our DD barely slept when she was that age. She was never a great sleeper to start with, but from between 7-8 months through 10 months she woke up every 45 minutes or less ALL NIGHT LONG. Both hubby and I work full time and our jobs include a lot of driving. I truly wondered if I was going to make it! During this time she learned to walk and started understanding words, and also speaking and or signing one or two. Is it possible your child is just about to reach some milestones?
post #11 of 11
It takes 2 weeks for dairy to eliminate itself from your system, and then it still has to be eliminated from your DS system (so that might be another 2 weeks)

Also have you thought about allergens in the environment? Could you possibly have mold in your house?

Is there something that you could be detoxing through your breastmilk? Try taking vitamin C (dairy free) and see if that helps. It will steer toxins away from your breastmilk.

I would try dairy again for a little longer. Also check out the allergies thread. You can really learn alot there.
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