December H1N1/Swine Flu Vax Discussion - Page 4

[inchwormz]

Infuriating Newsweek article that mentions H1N1

http://www.newsweek.com/id/226097/page/1

Loved this,

For those fighting disease on the global stage, the H1N1 pandemic has brought into stark relief a puzzling, difficult dichotomy. In the wealthy world, where individuals have the luxury of demanding 100 percent safety, the balance between individual and population rights has shifted so far toward individualism that it is nearly impossible for public-health authorities to persuade people to accept even one in 1 billion risks on behalf of society as a whole.

[Sileree]

1 in a billion? I admit I laughed at that.

I mean, seriously?? Even the most pro-vax people claim the risk is 1 in a million.

How did the risk get a thousand times less?

Serious la-la-land logic.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by inchwormz

Infuriating Newsweek article that mentions H1N1

For those fighting disease on the global stage, the H1N1 pandemic has brought into stark relief a puzzling, difficult dichotomy. In the wealthy world, where individuals have the luxury of demanding 100 percent safety, the balance between individual and population rights has shifted so far toward individualism that it is nearly impossible for public-health authorities to persuade people to accept even one in 1 billion risks on behalf of society as a whole.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/226097/page/1

Loved this,

If the world population is 6.802 billion (give or take), are they claiming that the vaccine has only harmed 6-7 people in all the world...

I know someone whose FIL died withing 24hrs of receiving the H1N1 vaccine; somehow I don't think the eulogy included "thanks for taking one for the team, Dad."

[newmum35]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20091207...l-96993ab.html

[Jenelle]

Originally Posted by newmum35

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20091207...l-96993ab.html

[Gitti]

http://www.gerardbaudains.com/index.asp?ID=11

[SoCaliMommy]

Originally Posted by Gitti

http://www.gerardbaudains.com/index.asp?ID=11

[Gitti]

Another person who was super healthy, got the swine flu and come down with GBS. But heck, there is hardly a connection and it only happens to one in 1,000,000.

And the track record of the vaccine is VERY GOOD according to at least one "expert".

What is an "expert"? - someone on the side of big pharma.


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...heir-Toll.aspx

[mama1803]

What is the deal with people who have already had the swine flu getting vaccinated for H1N1? I have been hearing about this so much lately. Has everyone forgotten what natural immunity is?

The latest case is child in my community who was extremely ill from a confirmed case of H1N1 a few months ago. He had pneumonia and apparently a stroke brought on by the virus. He has been undergoing testing, including MRI, to determine the extent of possible brain damage from the stroke. His family is friends with a friend of mine and this is how I heard of what happened to him. His mom sent out a mass email saying that the latest test showed no permanent brain damage as a result of the stroke and the "best news of all was that he had gotten the H1N1 shot and was going to have his booster in a few weeks".

Now I can't fathom the pain and anxiety this young child and his family have endured. I also don't know about any underlying health conditions he may have had that contributed to the seriousness of this illness. But has anyone ever heard of natural immunity not being enough to protect from a future case of H1N1? In a healthy individual, would not having had the virus produce natural immunity?

I have been hearing of so many people lately, who had confirmed cases of H1N1, getting vaccinated.

[Gitti]

They have lost their own sens of "self". They no longer think for themselves. They are no more then objects on a conveyor belt. They follow directions given to them by the Pied Piper.

So sad!

[Juvysen]

I think there's a general lack of understanding of how immunity works... that is, vaccines have been marketed as the "magical cure all - never be sick again!" while getting the disease was horrendous, maybe. It doesn't necessarily occur to people that the idea behind vaccines is to give your body the ability to recognize the illness (without really having it) that your body would naturally get via actually HAVING the illness. It's just the magic cure, to most people. Besides, now there's all the news saying "well, what you had might not have really been it, so get vaccinated anyway"

[PJsmomma]

Is there a place to discuss treating H1N1?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by PJsmomma

Is there a place to discuss treating H1N1?

did you try health and healing?

[Juvysen]

So just the other day they were holding an H1N1 vax clinic at a local school...

does it seem weird to anyone else that they're still doing this? Things I keep reading say that it ran it's course and probably stopped because of the herd immunity... vaxing just seems... ridiculous to me now.

I just keep

Oh, and on medscape the other day - an article questioning the efficacy of tamiflu in reducing the chance of severe symptoms.

The whole thing just seems more and more like a giant debacle to me.

[ParisApril]

They are still heavily advertising the h1n1 vaccine here in Ontario. Canada is going to have so much left over I wonder if anyone will be held responsible for all that wasted money?

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by ParisApril

They are still heavily advertising the h1n1 vaccine here in Ontario. Canada is going to have so much left over I wonder if anyone will be held responsible for all that wasted money?

was it here or somewhere else where someone was talking about how Germany (I think?) is trying to sell or donate their excess, and countries like Afghanistan are interested?

[Jenelle]

http://www.google.org/flutrends/intl/en_us/us/

Yeah, I don't understand why there would still be vax clinics at schools either. I seriously don't get it. Do parents REALLY not pay attention to charts like these? Why would you still get the vax at this point? No, seriously... If anyone has an explanation, I would like to hear it.

HERE'S THE ONE FROM THE CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...0/WhoLab48.htm

Are these parents doing no research at all?

[k9sarchik]

I just saw on the news that you can sit on Santa's lap and get your H1N1 vaccine. After they showed the boy getting his vaccine, the director of the clinic said that there is no more cases of H1N1 in Colorado, but you had better still come and get your vaccine because someone could still bring it in.
...whatever.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by Jenelle

http://www.google.org/flutrends/intl/en_us/us/

Yeah, I don't understand why there would still be vax clinics at schools either. I seriously don't get it. Do parents REALLY not pay attention to charts like these? Why would you still get the vax at this point? No, seriously... If anyone has an explanation, I would like to hear it.

HERE'S THE ONE FROM THE CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...0/WhoLab48.htm

Are these parents doing no research at all?

Yes, pretty much.
DS1's father emailed me with a (forwarded) article detailing how to tell the flu from a cold. Really? I've been a parent for a decade now and you think I don't know the difference?

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by Jenelle

Why would you still get the vax at this point? No, seriously... If anyone has an explanation, I would like to hear it.

"Experts" now are talking about a third wave, despite the fact that enough of the population is immune either through natural exposure/disease or vaccination to prevent this. It's pretty obvious it's to sell all those shots they have left.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/282815

"Most cool heads are saying that [a third wave] is absurd, there is no precedent," he said. The likelihood of an outbreak is calculated on the basis of levels of immunity. It usually requires around 40% immunity to prevent an outbreak and to date, between immunizations and exposure, more than 50% of the population is immune. Referring to result of an as-yet unreleased study, he said, "it’s inconceivable that there will be a third wave.

I've seen the excuses for getting the vaccine change over time from "we're all gonna die!" to "well it's mild, but you COULD die!" to "we COULD all die in a third wave that's coming soon!"