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post #21 of 26
Ok, so if I understand this correctly, you're trying to figure out two different things and I'll addressed them separately because I'll get confused otherwise.

1. Training a child vs. following the child's lead.

I actually posted something very similar before about this. I'm way to lazy to dig it up but I was asking a similar question. My question was basically how much do we let a child lead themselves and at what point do you become the parent and start guiding.

The thing is, nobody lives in a bubble so it's impossible to follow the child's lead fully. No matter what you do you're influencing your child in some way or another by how you dress, eat, treat other people etc. For better or worse your child is learning that (and we all know how easily kids pick up things!!).

The other issue is that there's cultural influences to deal with. Like you mentioned with schooling, you believe skipping would harm your child in some way so you don't want to do that. But clearly that's a social construct and not what your child is leading (who knows where he'll want to lead when he's that age, you've still got a while to figure that out). I'd really suggest you read the book Our Babies, Ourselves. It's mostly about raising newborns in different cultures but it talks quite a bit about social constructs and how different societies value different ideas to create their own perfect well-adjusted child. For instance, Americans value independence so many do CIO and early weaning whereas the Japanese value integrating children into the family so they cosleep. Our values are created from our society so you have to decide if you want in your child what your culture holds in high esteem.


2. Skipping grades/schooling


This is a tricky one because your son isn't at an age where he's ready for school. I completely understand throwing around your options since we do the same about DD all the time. However, I wouldn't write in stone that you don't want your son to skip a grade. If he does end up being gifted you might be harming him if he is stuck in a class where he is bored to death. Just google underachieving and gifted to find out what i mean.

It's more important to parent the son you have than make hard fast rules before your child reaches that stage of development. DH keeps claiming DD won't be able to date until she's like 40, yeah right! I'd love to see him enforce that one. For all we know she could end up being very responsible and the first guy she brings home is the epitome of a gentleman and we'll never have to worry.

So what I'm trying to say is there's nothing wrong with thinking about the future but it's more important to keep and open mind and stay flexible. Look closely at your son's cues and see if he's happy in his environment first before you make your decisions.

HTH
post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 
Skipping would cause him to outgrow the only school here in town too fast because it only goes up to the fourth grade. That would be concern if the school decided not to let him stay with his age-mates. There's nothing wrong with skipping, don't get me wrong.

It's so inclusive and community centered around here I think he'll want to be in the class with the other kids, he loves the other kids in town. I guess it's not a violation of their free-will to help them with internal life lessons that anyone here can think of. And I think it will help him sit through class without being disruptive even though he won't really find much accedemically challenging about the lessons (I know because the things I'm already teaching him the neighbor says are the kindergarden lessons from school).

So what I'm hearing is that it is ok and it's a non-essential but not harmful practice to begin intentionally "practicing waiting patiently" with ds.
post #23 of 26
I want my dd to do well in school, but I don't see myself deliberately setting her up to wait. I had many friends in school who where in gifted and talented programs and not one of them is employed, some didn't graduate from high school, two of them started into drugs and alcohol in high school. I can't see myself actively trying to set my dd up for that kind of life no matter how gifted she is. SAT scores that come from being gifted and successfully adjusting to being a responsible and caring adult are very different things. I would rather give my dd the treat and model kindness than hold it back in the hopes that she will get a high SAT score.
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by One_Girl View Post
I had many friends in school who where in gifted and talented programs and not one of them is employed, some didn't graduate from high school, two of them started into drugs and alcohol in high school.
Might it have been the school, which is the other common denominator?
post #25 of 26
Another perspective on the link in the OP:

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/nurtu...-passions.aspx

Quote:
My guess is that Mischel’s kids who could wait fifteen minutes are the same kids who can circle all the D’s. It wasn’t Executive Function driving their success – it might have been simply their desire to please and do well, at anything. <snip>

... Shernoff felt that Mischel’s data is an indictment of the educational system. The kids who can do well in school are the kids who can do well waiting for marshmallows – they can sit still and wait it out through long periods of disengagement. That’s not the kind of kids we should be cultivating.
post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 
Alright Joe n Sally, ty 4 adding your link here. I think the problem in "delayed gratification training" is it's fake. I tried it once this weekend at the store. I was going to give DS a chocolate milk. I said "wait", put it behind my back...counted silently to five; then I gave it to him. I felt stupid!
Not the "if anyone sees this I'd feel stupid" like when I practice using the "todlereze caveman talk" from the same DVD (which dh absolutely loves using now. And it's working great.). I felt like "my son's going to think I'm stupid and lose respect for me if I keep doing this delayed gratification training. I felt like it was too different from the clear & open non-manipulative two-way communication we've "always" shared. (LoL-"always". He's only two.)
I think one of the huge parts of his charachter is that he seems very sharp. So "waiting for no other reason than to practice it.". It sounded good on paper. I didn't like feeling like he was rolling his eyes at me. (it was just a vibe. He didn't roll his eyes. More like he took a pause to see what was happening.). It reminded me how he looks at me for answers constantly. When he doesn't understand something he stops and looks across the room at me and waits for me to explain it to him. Tutuxt
Joe n Sally it's helpful that you pointed out they took one test and since it was a college-level science experiment shouldn't they have come up with more examples to test? At least to isolate and identify what trait we're trying to practice excersizing here. Disengaging or waiting. Or co-operation? Making it easier for the teacher's and caregivers to "do their 8 and hit the gate" (LoL-do their job)
I think you guys are right, it depends on how far you want to take "structured guidence" in your parenting. I'm not saying training is bad. Like I've noticed the toddler yoga movie starts with the breathing then gets him all hyper and jumping around and then leads him back into calming down, sitting still, paying attention to his breathing. So he's guided through a lesson on how to calm down. And we practice it. But that's not the same thing as asking them to learn how to disengage on command. Yeah. That would be wrong.
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