I just have to complain, I know you will all understand!

[Lovemy3babies]

My friend is due on Monday. Apparently the baby is getting "to big" so they are inducing today. BEFORE she even reaches her due date.

She has been a 3 and 90 percent for 3 weeks. Today she is a 5 and 75 percent effaced. How does that happen? Baby was -1, now -2.

Anyways, They started the pitocin at 1:30, its now 4:30 and they are giving her 2 more hours before other *options* will be talked about. You give a women 5 stinking hours on pit before you rip the baby from her?!?

She is a first time mom and will do anything the doctors say. I am seriously contemplating becoming a midwife even with 3 sections under my belt so I can deliver my friends I am planning a homebirth after 3 sections to avoid that garbage.

I just dont understand why they are so section happy. Yesterday my friend asked the OB if it was her (had an ultrasound with a *9 lbs 12 oz* baby) what would she do. The ob said she would just do a csection. UHG ! Anything to scare these mothers.

Ok. Off of soap box. I will wanna beat the OB up (big threat right lol), if they do a section on a mom who has been dialated to a 3 for 3 weeks and on pit for 3 hours and has MADE progress, just not what they like!

[at_the_hip]

I'm thinking that 'discussing other options' might first include breaking her waters? It's tough to watch someone you care about fall down the road of interventions. In her favor at least is that she is quite dilated and effaced so perhaps things will kick in if they do break her water. As far as inductions go (while obvoiusly not what I would choose as an ideal), she would definitely be considered 'favorable'...

Best of luck to your friend. Remember even if she ends up with a c-section, it is her choices and her birth and often we have to find our own roads to learn from them. It's just especially tough to watch when it is someone you care about.

[Lovemy3babies]

Ended in csections around 6 oclock tonight. SHe didnt do what they wanted her to do. This ob office is csection happy. The babys head was going to be to big. UGH!!!

[Lovemy3babies]

Originally Posted by at_the_hip

I'm thinking that 'discussing other options' might first include breaking her waters? It's tough to watch someone you care about fall down the road of interventions. In her favor at least is that she is quite dilated and effaced so perhaps things will kick in if they do break her water. As far as inductions go (while obvoiusly not what I would choose as an ideal), she would definitely be considered 'favorable'...

Best of luck to your friend. Remember even if she ends up with a c-section, it is her choices and her birth and often we have to find our own roads to learn from them. It's just especially tough to watch when it is someone you care about.

They already broke her water. They broke her water before pit thinking she wouldnt need it because she was so favorable. Then gave her pit around 1 oclock today and by 6 it didnt do what they wanted so she was given a section. I apparently am more passionate about this, I have had 3 and am not willing to go back for another one unless we are about to explode.

[CrunchyChristianMama]

I completely understand your anger. I have a friend who read a lot of things I've posted on FB about natural birth and decided she wanted to give it a try. Her OB had other plans. He told her during a prenatal that she had a small pelvis and would have trouble delivering (love the scare tactic before labor even starts). She ended up with a c/s (of course) after he "let" her push for 45 minutes when she wasn't even completely dialated, was flat on her back, and had and epidural and pit.

I had to just disconnect myself from the situation and realize that I can't change the world of birth all in one day, but I can plan the perfect birth for myself and let it speak to others and show them that there are alternatives.

[Kidzaplenty]

It is so frustrating when you are a bystander and have to just sit back and watch it all happen.

This happened my my DH's coworker. He warned her for months that they would section her, but she insisted she did not want a section and would not have one. Well, when she went past her EDD by a few days they insisted on inducing. And what do you know, she just would not progress and HAD to be sectioned! Now she is depressed. You can't do anything about it at all, but it is hard to just sit back and watch it happen. Like watching a train wreck that you have no possibility of stopping.

[Fly Girl]

I understand too. I have watched so many friends and family (even the few that wanted a natural birth) go down the road of intervention and end up with c-sections. I think the one that makes me the most angry is the c-section done on a first time mom before her due date, before labor started, because there was no way this short, petite woman would be able to deliver her enormous 10+ lbs baby. So she was sectioned and her precious baby girl was 8lbs 3oz. It just makes me sad.

[ShwarmaQueen]

How big was her baby anyways?

This happens so often. All we can do is try to educate mammas on what we've learned.

[Lovemy3babies]

Originally Posted by ShwarmaQueen

How big was her baby anyways?

This happens so often. All we can do is try to educate mammas on what we've learned.

Well, I am not going to be credible anymore in there eyes, because the baby was EXACTLY 9 lbs 12 oz, what the ultrasound said lol. This couple is from my church, and throughout the pregnancy it has been all of us mamas telling her, and her doctor telling her. And the doctor trumped all of our experience.

They are generally off in the high direction though, I have never seen them get it right. I think it was fluke.

Either way, my friend is 5'8 or so, 200 plus lbs. She isnt small. Her grandmother had a 13 lb baby. Big babies run in her family, and they have all had them with no drugs. I think that is what happened with D. She didnt want drugs. I was like you go girl But everyone else she knew said just wait, just wait, youll get an epi. Well, pride took over and she couldnt take the pain anymore, but didnt wanna hear about how she got an epi, so she got the section the doctor had been pushing for a week anyway.

She actually had the nerve to tell my sister, "Well, you said you had back pain from the epi so I didnt want to have back pain so I went with the section"

UM HELLO? Spinal tap, 10 inch major abdominal scar? Can wipe, cough, laugh, walk, move, talk, hold your baby, change your baby, feed your baby for a few days without wanting another needle in your back? I would have taken the epi, swallowed my pride and hoped it helped me relax enough to dialate.

[Lovemy3babies]

I read this yesterday and it is so true, and my new motto. Which within my group of friends I cant really blab because they have all had sections and are to afraid to try vbac, although I am hoping a successful vba3c will help them to see it is possible....

You go to a surgeon, you get surgery.

My friend lived this yesterday, first time mother, to big head they said..... If you dont want a section, stay away from the surgeon.

Also, my friends MIL (who also goes to our church) was there and expressed how brave D was with the pain. She said, "You should have seen her, her contractions got to a 12!"

Now, I dont know if you all have seen a contraction monitor while someone is in labor, but they get to 80 or so while pushing. I just watched my sister in have my neice 2 months ago and those babies get HIGH. I saw D's paper in a picture, and they were little mole hills. How were those supposed to make her cervix change much?

[ShwarmaQueen]

Wow i've never seen them get it that close either!

At exactly 37 wks, I had an u/s that said DS was 8 1/2 lbs. He was born at 40 wks 3 days and was 9 lbs 2 oz. So he gained only 1/2 lb in over 3 wks?? Right......

[ACsMom]

Originally Posted by Lovemy3babies

You go to a surgeon, you get surgery.

Thank you. I learned that the hard way the first time. I am planning an HBAC this time, like you. No more surgery for me, unless someone's dying! I get so disgusted with the OB model of "care." They know nothing about normal birth. Have you read Open Season? I think the reason the medical profession as a whole has pathologized pregnancy and birth, the reason they are in complete denial of the fact that their interventions cause the problems they are supposed to prevent, is that on some level they are aware that they are not needed when it comes to child birth. If they were to acknowledge that women's bodies were designed to carry children and birth them, and that women's bodies work better without interference, they would render themselves useless and they'd all be out of a job.

I'm sorry that your friend ended up with a section. That would be hard to watch happen. A PP is right, though - the best thing you can do is support her, and be a model for her and for the other women in your life when you have your HBA3C!

[onyxravnos]

awwww. i always just want to pull my hair out when my friends get into situations like that. it drives me crazy.... slowly but surely i am becoming a midwife for just that reason.

[wbg]

ugh...so annoying. I recently had a friend who has had 2 perfect natural births. She had a new OB for her #3 and he induced 2 weeks early due to her looking big. She is small, but has successfully pushed out her previous 2 babies who were all good. While she avoided a c-sec she still had all the yucky pit and epi stuff for no real reason. Of course baby was not big at all!
It makes me crazy. But I try to remind myself, that this is her journey and not mine! Easier said than done!

[Vanessa Jean]

In my opinion, every woman in the world needs to watch "The Business of Being Born." It's a Pro-Home birth video and has LOTS and LOTS of great information.
They did a study of c-sections in hospitals and found that the 2 times that c-sections are highest in the day is 4pm(I'll be home for dinner) and 10pm(I don't wanna be up all night.)
There is also alot of insurance BS involved. Hospitals are scared of getting sued and the thought is that if in the end you came out with a section, they did everything they could do to get the baby out and they won't get sued. Pretty crappy huh.