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We lent our nanny some money..

post #1 of 10
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Our nanny has worked for us since our daughter was about 6 months old (now she is 20 months). She works FT, 40 hours a week. She is a good nanny – organizes age appropriate activities, disciplines/entertains our daughter in the way we would. Our daughter is very attached to her and we don’t have any concerns about her work. As such she is rewarded well – we pay her $18:50 an hour, pay IRS mileage rates for any driving she does, 2 weeks paid vacation plus paid public holidays.


So onto the problem. She has had a number of personal problems in the last couple of years. She was diagnosed with cancer, which she is recovering from, thankfully, but which has of course resulted in her incurring very high medical bills, even with health insurance. And she is now going through what looks to be a nasty divorce. I know that financially she is struggling. She has two children and has joint custody with her husband (for now, at least).
She approached us (via voicemail) asking if she could borrow $1,500 for a retainer for a divorce lawyer. My husband and I were at a social event when I heard the message so we didn’t really discuss it much. More of a “let’s talk about it later”. Actually, I forgot about it.


A couple of days later, I was paying bills and noticed that my husband had written her a check for $1500. I told him that he should have waited until we had discussed it, but I wasn’t overly concerned. (He thought I would be OK with it.) Until after discussion it seemed that there was no written agreement in place, and that they had merely discussed that she would repay $200 a month and babysit for free one Saturday evening per month (so it would be paid off in 6 months.)


That was 3 months ago. So far we have had $100 back, and the babysitting. TBH I had left it with my husband to deal with – he arranged it, so he can figure it out – but he is reluctant to raise it with her. She did mention it last week (“I know I still owe you the money and I’m working on it.”) but that’s it. I spoke with our nanny payroll/tax people and they said that taking it directly from her paycheck would be problematic for various reasons.


My husband is happy to get the free babysitting and call the rest her “Christmas bonus” (last year we gave her a similar amount). Honestly, we both feel bad that she is in the financial position she is with her medical bills. And we have a very good income, so we aren’t missing the money. I was OK with this until she called 15 minutes ago asking if she could get her mileage money for the last couple of months (totaling about $350). That has put my nose out of joint. If I had fallen behind in loan repayments, I wouldn't be calling to claim something else, even though it is entirely legitimate.


What would you do? (Other than not lend money to an employee. We won’t make that mistake again.) Apply the mileage to the money owed? Write it off as a gift? Anything else?
post #2 of 10
I can understand being put out by the request for mileage money. But, given all you've said about her - what a great nanny she is, and her personal circumstances - I think it would be very generous of you to call the rest her Christmas bonus, and forgive the debt. Sounds like something out of Chicken Soup for the Soul, actually. If I were your nanny, I would work even harder and love you even more for showing me such compassion.
post #3 of 10
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Originally Posted by mamaofprincesses View Post
I can understand being put out by the request for mileage money. But, given all you've said about her - what a great nanny she is, and her personal circumstances - I think it would be very generous of you to call the rest her Christmas bonus, and forgive the debt. Sounds like something out of Chicken Soup for the Soul, actually. If I were your nanny, I would work even harder and love you even more for showing me such compassion.
ITA! (nak)
post #4 of 10
If you were going to give a similar amt as a holiday bonus I would simply get a nice card and say that the forgiveness of the monatary portion of the loan is in lieu of a gift. That way you are done with this (what seems at least from an outsider) awkward situation.

I dont blame you for being a little put off given all your generosity towards her but still if she promised to pay you back that is a little disappointing. I would simply give her the car milage and call it done with and make a mental note not to lend money again.
post #5 of 10
I think you really need to have an open talk with her. You and your husband decide how you want to treat the money, as a gift or not, and then follow through with that-- not becoming resentful later if she asks for money that is legitimately owed.

If you don't want to treat it as a bonus or gift, let her know and let her know that you expect it to be repaid, whether that includes withholding future pay from her or whatever.

IMO, if you haven't made it clear that she won't be paid her regular income because of this loan, then you have no right to withhold her income. The loan is and should stay a separate issue.
Set up a clear agreement about repaying the loan and what will happen if it isn't repaid, and then follow through with that if you need to. Don't make arbitrary decisions based on resentment that impose on a separate contract entirely (her employment and compensation).

It sounds like the easiest route would be to forget about the loan altogether and continue with the employment and her regular pay, since the terms apparently weren't clear for the loan.
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by ss834 View Post
IMO, if you haven't made it clear that she won't be paid her regular income because of this loan, then you have no right to withhold her income.

... since the terms apparently weren't clear for the loan.
Thanks, I appreciate your input.

But to clarify, we didn't have any intention of just withholding the money from her salary. In fact, she suggested to me that it might be the easiest option. Perhaps I didn't mention that in my original post.

Also, the terms were clear (albeit oral): $200 cash per month, one Saturday night babysitting per month.
post #7 of 10
I vote for forgiving the loan in place of the bonus. I've been in financially difficult spots where I can't repay debt as I promised I could and would have been extremely grateful for that. I assume she would not have asked you for a loan if she were not somewhat desperate.
post #8 of 10
If you give her a similar Christmas bonus then I would let her know that the loan would be in lieu of the bonus. I can understand you feeling irritated that she asked for her mileage money but I can only imagine she is seriously struggling right now to have even asked you for the loan. She probably really needed that $350. You are clearly uncomfortable with your husband loaning her money so I would make it clear to both of them that no more loans will be given.
post #9 of 10
$1500 is a lot for a person who's making $18.50/hour and going through a divorce to save up or pay up very quickly. I think that, if I were in your nanny's position, a "we forgive the debt" note, along with a nice letter telling her how much you appreciate the care she gives your child, would be a wonderful holiday gift. I'm sure the amount of money she owes you is hanging over her head and creating a lot of anxiety for her.

I'd be a little more concerned that my DH wrote a $1500 check without having a conversation about it! But, then again, I don't know what your financial situation is. $1500 is a lot of money to us, and doesn't get spent without a discussion!
post #10 of 10
mama this is the person who cares for your child.

is this the person you want around your child for the next few years?

i would really first look inside you and sort out your money issues. yes YOUR money issues. it seems like the whole relationship changed once she asked for money.

the thing is the feelings inside you are going to build up till one day you find you hate her and want her out. it could happen.

if i were in your shoes - given that she is a great nanny, given what she is going thru AND given that you guys make great money - i wouldnt even be posting this or feeling like you did. i would instead probably forgive the loan AND give her the xmas bonus if you can afford it.

when someone works that closely to you and you guys have been thru all that together, she would be considered family in my book and just like family i would go out of my way to help her out as much as i could. money is the easiest to give and the most needed. i would totally not even bat an eye over $$$.
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