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post #1 of 56
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my mother (christian) gets very upset about being wished a "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". I cannot for the life of me understand why.

she says it's because she thinks people are too "politically correct" to say "christmas" b/c it might offend.

I think it's b/c not everyone celebrates Christmas and people are just trying to be respectful. it's nice to wish a happy holiday to people who celebrate it, but you don't know what they may celebrate. so you just leave it general.

I don't get it.

is it me, or is this just stupid? who the heck cares!?
post #2 of 56
I agree it's a silly thing to get all upset over. I'm not a Christian, but it doesn't bother me for someone to say "Merry Christmas."
post #3 of 56
I wouldn't say that I get upset when people say "Merry Christmas" but I do find it insensitive unless it is actually Christmas Eve or Christmas itself. For those of us who are not Christian, it is yet another reminder that we are considered "other" in this country and that we are expected to yield to the dominant culture. For that matter, I also find it insensitive when people say Happy Hannukah when Hannukah has already past or ask my children what they want Santa to bring them this year. For the record, I celebrate none of these holidays. "Happy Holidays" sounds fine to me.
post #4 of 56
Interesting. I am not a Christian, but don't get offended at all if someone wishes me a merry Christmas. I know it's a Christian holiday but it also has a lot of secular significance in Western culture and many people who are not Christians (like my family) celebrate it anyway as a time of giving, sharing, and being together with family.

I think happy holidays is a nice way to wish someone well without referring to any specific religious tradition. There are several other holidays around the same time after all (Solstice and Hanukkah for example). I think it is indeed "PC", but there's often a reason for being politically correct: respecting the validity of non-dominant ways of being within common language use. And I think that's great.

Not that I think it's great if someone gets offended when the "correct" term is not used, though. It's wonderful that as a culture there is a tendency to try to take everyone's differences into account, but when an expression of goodwill is interpreted only at face value (like if a non-Christian gets offended when being sincerely and nicely wished a merry Christmas for example) and not by the intention behind it, I think that's kind of sad.

On the other hand, it's important that the dominant culture is not assumed to be the most valid one. If someone is wished a merry Christmas but does not celebrate Christmas and wishes to make that clear while still being polite and friendly, one could say nicely, "Oh, we don't celebrate Christmas (because X), but thank you! A happy holiday season to you too!"
post #5 of 56
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Originally Posted by ursusarctos View Post
If someone is wished a merry Christmas but does not celebrate Christmas and wishes to make that clear while still being polite and friendly, one could say nicely, "Oh, we don't celebrate Christmas (because X), but thank you! A happy holiday season to you too!"
yeah I agree. honestly I think people like being offended. it makes them feel important lol seriously... I really think it does. I mean obviously certain things are offensive - but if it's clearly not meant to be, get over it yk? you just gotta roll with things sometimes. pick your battles.
post #6 of 56
I like Happy Holidays because it is not only all inclusive to all religions, but there are so many holidays during this three months. Many people celebrate more than one. I personally don't have time to go through the list! Really if you know the person and what they celebrate then you can wish them a good...whatever, but otherwise I like to be all inclusive. Most of our christian friends wish us a blessed Yule and we wish them a merry Christmas. It's all about the love!
post #7 of 56
Personally, I would prefer greetings from strangers in public places, like sales clerks, to omit any religious references, including "merry Christmas." There is nothing wrong with saying "good morning" or "have a nice day" even in December. However, when even non-Christians are celebrating Christmas in one way or another, it is understandable that "merry Christmas" will come up a lot.

I do not object to Happy Holidays, but I see two small problems with it.

First, I do not think it is actually more inclusive. Yes, almost everybody is celebrating some holiday or other around December, just like any other time of year, but often it is a minor holiday which is dragged into the spotlight in order to become the Christmas proxy. For example, I have heard Jewish people point out that Hanukkah is not a very significant holiday, and is only mentioned as often as it is because it is held close to Christmas, and so it becomes the Jewish portion of the generic Happy Holidays.

Second, I think it can be taken to silly extremes, when the word "Christmas" is avoided as if it were profanity, and not used even when it is clearly appropriate. For example, I have heard news reports in which a Christian religious service was called a "holiday" or "seasonal" service instead of a Christmas one, or a Nativity display described without using the word Christmas at any time. It is okay to say Christmas when you mean, specifically, Christmas!
post #8 of 56
I really don't care what people say, and odds are whatever it is I'll respond sincerely and cheerfully in kind.

That said, I do get a bit irritated when people make an effort to use my religion in the justifications for a non-specific greeting. For example, this year I saw just such a justification referencing, among other faiths and holidays, the potential hard feelings Muslims might experience over Eid and the Islamic new year not getting their due holiday recognition.

Now, Eid came and went right after Thanksgiving. And the Islamic new year is essentially a non-holiday, save for those sects which consider it the beginning of a month of mourning ... which, as you might imagine, probably doesn't fit that well with pretty bows and sparkly lights. To me personally what the inclusion of Eid said is, "We're very happy to make room for your celebration at a time that has nothing to do with when it occurs and without reference to what it signifies to you." What the inclusion of the start of the Hijri calender said, to be frank, was, "We're C&P-ing December '09 holiday lists and don't actually care about the relative celebratory significance or even the meaning of what is being included."

The Islamic calender shifting as it does, next year I am quite sure I will find a similar list being passed around with the new year once again, and Ashura. And I am also just as sure that if I were to ask the people making such lists what Ashura is, for example, my question will be met with either the sound of crickets or the sound of letters being typed into Google's search box.

It's certainly all very well intended, so I wouldn't call it insulting outright ... but it is a manner of being "inclusive" that at times can be at least as minimizing as the alternative it proposes to supplant. In practice, in that manner at least, it feels more like a pat on the head from the dominant culture than any real effort to be diverse or to learn about what other people are all about. And personally, while as above I'm perfectly fine with "happy holidays," "seasons greetings," or what have you, if inclusivity is the goal I would be a lot happier saying "Merry Christmas" to those who celebrate and having them say "Happy Eid" to me when actually appropriate than us all exchanging generic phrases at Christmas time and everyone just assuming that somehow covers recognizing that occasions important to me exist.
post #9 of 56
Woudn't it be disingenuous for someone who does not celebrate Christmas to go around wishing everyone "Merry Christmas"? Ya can't assume that everyone is Christian. However I think if one does celebrate Christmas than its perfectly OK to wish its merriness onto others. Example conversation:

Christian-"Merry Christmas Chamomile Girl!"
Me- "And a lovely Saturnalia to you!"

I think in this senario everyone should be happy. If I either of us gets offended by the greetings of the other than we need to get a life.
post #10 of 56
i am not affected by Marry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah or whatever else some one can think of. i hate Happy holidays!!! i think people should be able to wish whatever they want and i agree with your mom the PC of it all gets to me. :
post #11 of 56
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Originally Posted by Chamomile Girl View Post
Woudn't it be disingenuous for someone who does not celebrate Christmas to go around wishing everyone "Merry Christmas"? Ya can't assume that everyone is Christian. However I think if one does celebrate Christmas than its perfectly OK to wish its merriness onto others. Example conversation:

Christian-"Merry Christmas Chamomile Girl!"
Me- "And a lovely Saturnalia to you!"

I think in this senario everyone should be happy. If I either of us gets offended by the greetings of the other than we need to get a life
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well said! much better then i, but just what i was thinking!
post #12 of 56
I definitely don't mind being greeted with happy holidays. Even merry christmas doesn't bother me too much. Probably partly because I grew up celebrating christmas in a fairly secular way and still do celebrate it as a time to be with family, give gifts and enjoy food. (none of my family celebrates it religiously, but since my mom and her siblings were raised christian (none are practicing) its sort of the go-to holiday for a family get together).

I know some jews who get driven bonkers over the constant merry christmases weeks from the event.

The truth is, its the happy holidays thing that is weird. really weird. what other holiday of any significance is this time of year? I guess yule? is saturnalia this time of year chamomile girl? channukah is a little minor tiny holiday. It has grown into a materialistic fest to not even close rival christmas, because of christmas. "Happy holidays" to a jew happens in september. or october. round about then. Happy passover. well thats a big holiday. but assuming that hannukah is the holiday? it's not even a biblical holiday. how about happy sukkot?

I think the whole happy holidays thing evolved from christians feeling it wasn't PC to leave other people out of their massive decorate the whole city buy lots of presents party up the whole december fest, and invented/elevated a whole lot of holidays.

When I was a kid, every childrens literature magazine I read had at least a token kwazna article, and a token channukah article (mind never a rosh hashanah or passover or yom kippor or shauvot or sukkot or shabbat article). Let me tell you, I have never in my life met a person who celebrates kwanza. What is this kwanza holiday? who celebrates it? (No offense meant to mamas who do, I'm just curious, as I said, I read about it as a child, but have never met anyone who celebrates it).

Honestly, I'm perfectly ok being told Merry Christmas. It would just be nice if it weren't weird to say shana tovah to strangers in the street just in case they were jews for whom it is THE holidays.
post #13 of 56
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lol..... maybe i will just say

Happy regular or holiday of your choice day! or happy thursday? i don't know.

ok and yeah i can see the weirdness of grouping in Eid and Chanakkah and Soltice in with christmas like a corporate group of random religious generic holidays. that's just commericalization usually. if stores make people feel left out they don't wnna buy there.

I have been wished happy chanakkeh several times b/c i head cover (christian) and I smile and say "merry Christmas" or sometimes just "thanks". the point is people were just trying to be polite and greet me. I think it's friendly and that counts good enough for me.
post #14 of 56
I think it is silly how every one is so attatched to Merry Christmas....show me one baptist who celebrats the Christ Mass...

I rarely say anything to people I do not know. I work in a coffee shop and just stick with "Have a nice day". I am always thrown off when people say "Merry Christmas". I prefer Happy Holidays because there is a holiday every week of the winter. Today is the Feast of St. Nicholas. If someone from my church was around I would wish them a happy fest day or happy St. nicholas day. if their name was Nicholas I would with them a happy name day and tell them Many Years. All those things mean something to those people so I don't mind saying them.

Also, and I know this is my own issue, sometimes when I hear a certain group of people wishing Merry Christmas or getting cranky over little things like saying happy holidays, i think they aren't really wishing for a joyful feast day but instead wishing everyone knew how smart and right and pious and superior they were to use Christmas instead of holidays, like all those pagans and backsliders. Honestly I would rather they just told me to have a good day today.
post #15 of 56
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lol..... maybe i will just say

Happy regular or holiday of your choice day! or happy thursday? i don't know.
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hehehe. Every wednesday we have all but one drink on sale and when people ask why I say "Happy Wednesday".
post #16 of 56
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
Also, and I know this is my own issue, sometimes when I hear a certain group of people wishing Merry Christmas or getting cranky over little things like saying happy holidays, i think they aren't really wishing for a joyful feast day but instead wishing everyone knew how smart and right and pious and superior they were to use Christmas instead of holidays, like all those pagans and backsliders. Honestly I would rather they just told me to have a good day today.
yes, honestly I think that's true. it makes me sad that some people feel that way. But it's not everyone... and I try not to lump everyone is the same category you know?
post #17 of 56
I say Happy Holidays unless I specifically know the person celebrates Christmas. It is a reallyu stupid thing to get upset over. It has nothing to do with being PC, it's has to do with not knowing what someone may celebrate.
post #18 of 56
I say happy holidays.....even if one is not celebrating a religious holiday, most likely there is some time off work, or a break from the norm. While I do not get offended by Merry Christmas, it is a bit presumptuous. I am offended by people who get in a huff when you dont tell them merry christmas.
post #19 of 56
meh this comes up every year and I still don't really get it. Wish me a happy anything and I'm going to assume that you are wishing me a joyous occasion or joyous day. Even if I don't celebrate that event, I'll take all the good days I can grab! If I go up to you and wish you a Happy Solstice, I'm not trying to say "hey grab a pagan and check it out!" I'm simply wishing you a nice day that has significance in my life. If someone of another faith does the same, I say thank you! I've yet to see anyone have malicious intent in wishing a non-Christian a Merry Christmas! Really, people make things out to be SO much more complicated than they have to be.
post #20 of 56
I don't growl at folks who say "Merry xmas" to me.. but I prefer "Happy Holidays". I celebrate the solstice and I don't like folks assuming the whole world is one xmas playground of gifts and mall santas at this time of year.

Solstice made the Gap commercial this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVMPWlWDvsI
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