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post #81 of 182
We have a behemoth (a Chariot). We have it because we were living in the North when dd was born, and, well, good luck getting anywhere without those wheels to deal with mounds of snow on unpaved sidewalks and unplowed streets, or without the ability to weatherproof dd's environment in -40C. And, we wanted a bike trailer, and the Chariot converts with a simple click. They are a hazzard, in many ways. But, a person can be courteous and careful with it, or not.

I've definitely experienced "Stroller Animomsity", but I've also experienced people going out of their way to hold a door, etc. Often, the people most keen to help are teenaged boys, much to my surprise. One of the trail heads in our area isn't regulation size, and our stroller only fits through with much careful calculation and some enthusiastic pushing, and one day a young man came upon me in the middle of the whole process and just politely picked up the whole stroller and deposited it on the other side for me. And then he was mortified when I thanked him. But he melted my heart a little.

Anyway, I'm only posting because I think this issue touches on a much bigger and more important issue that I *never* noticed until I was trying to get around with a stroller: wheelchair accessibility. Holy. Awful. At our local mall, you can go in the front door and access half of the building, you then have to go down a huge flight of stairs, or turn around, go back out the front door, walk around the block and then enter in through the back door in order to access the other half of the building. It's ridiculous. No power assist buttons on doors to shops or service buildings, aisles a stroller doesn't fit down, etc, etc. Lucky for me, I can just rock my stroller backwards and sort of ease my way down stairs, or I can park dd two feet away while I grab something out of an inaccessible ailse, but a person in a wheelchair, or even needing crutches/walker/etc would be totally screwed! So, I think the hostility is often manifested in a simple refusal to make life accessible to anyone not of "average" mobility.
post #82 of 182
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Originally Posted by lach View Post
You mean like this?
No. I don't leave my son unaccompanied/out of my sight in the car or on the bike. I have a bike lock when we leave the bike unaccompanied.
post #83 of 182
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
I have never seen it either and I live in the same state has the poster you quoted. Apparently the world is a much different place on the other side of the mountain since we have never agreed on anything.
For the record, i have only lived in this state for a year and a half, so everything i talk about isnt necessarily reflective of the other side of the mountains
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Originally Posted by pragmaticme View Post
If you go out into the world looking for offense you will surely find it.
not sure if you meant me, but since you quoted me earlier, i assume you did.
i agree with you, if you assume you are being victimized, you will see hostility in every squint. i dont assume all stroller people are malicious. heck, i have three strollers that we sometimes use. but that still doesnt mean that some people dont use their strollers irresponsibly. just as some people might use their shopping carts irresponsibly (though i will admit that i have never been rammed with a shopping cart) or any other thing.
i have been hit with people's backpacks or luggage (think plane or bus situation) but that doesnt mean that i assume that everyone with a backpack, or stroller for that matter, is going to hit me with it. but it happens, and when it does, I do expect an apology, not a glare like it was my fault I was innocently standing or walking in their path. share the road.. it goes both ways.
post #84 of 182
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Originally Posted by MadiMamacita View Post
For the record, i have only lived in this state for a year and a half, so everything i talk about isnt necessarily reflective of the other side of the mountains
Well I can only hope you are from the east cause a lot of it is not really reflective of the west coast in general.
post #85 of 182
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
And they are pieces of crap. Every.. single.. umbrella stroller I have owned.. or family members have owned have had something funky happen to the front wheels so they don't work anymore within a matter of months.. sometimes weeks. I spend my whole time fighting with the stroller to go the direction I want becuase it will not steer anymore. I generally end up popping a wheely and my kids go around with the front wheels in the air. I hate those things and there is a reason they are cheap!!

However with my younger two kids.. after they grew out of being worn.. I have found decent smaller strollers that were not umbrella strollers. They still fit in the car... have cup holders, padding, and canopies that make a comfortable ride and do not take up too much space.

As for strollers not being able to get down isles cause stores have the racks too close. I have complied to a store before. Aren't they supposed to be handicap accessible? If I can't get a stroller down the isle how is a wheel chair going to get down the isle? I was shrugged at.

ETA: and I have never been rammed into by a stroller.

to everything you said!
post #86 of 182
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Well I can only hope you are from the east cause a lot of it is not really reflective of the west coast in general.
what is not reflective of the west coast in general? are you still talking about strollers?

I have lived in 5 different states all over the US and two different countries, plus a territory, plus spent a year traveling to 33 different countries. So I feel like I have had pretty broad experiences with all sorts of different folks.
post #87 of 182
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Originally Posted by MadiMamacita View Post
what is not reflective of the west coast in general? are you still talking about strollers?

I have lived in 5 different states all over the US and two different countries, plus a territory, plus spent a year traveling to 33 different countries. So I feel like I have had pretty broad experiences with all sorts of different folks.
comments from previous threads..and yes strollers. I have just never seen this animosity towards strollers anywhere I have been in the Bay Area, the Central Valley, the "wine country" BFE California, when we went to Seattle, or in PDX. I have never seen it in my life. So I am wondering if this is more of a regional thing.
post #88 of 182
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Originally Posted by MadiMamacita View Post
not sure if you meant me, but since you quoted me earlier, i assume you did.
i agree with you, if you assume you are being victimized, you will see hostility in every squint. i dont assume all stroller people are malicious. heck, i have three strollers that we sometimes use.
I mean "you" in the general sense.
post #89 of 182
People who complain about how strollers are unnecessary and that people should just wear their babies have probably never had to cross a busy street or parking lot carrying a baby, holding a preschoolers hand AND having to carry a purse/bag and monitor older children. For me it requires being a contortionist.

As a mom of many (4 soon to be 5), as much as I like babywearing, sometimes a stroller is essential.

Those cheap, crappy umbrella strollers are only comfy when it's a 1-2 year old riding it in, and it's being pushed by someone between 4'8" and 5'2"... and heaven forbid should you need to push it over something that isn't perfectly smooth.

My preschooler can walk, and yes, my preschooler can behave in stores, but sometimes it's less stressful for all involved for me to just have him ride in the stroller. Especially in stores. I can't tell you how many times my kids have been nearly hit by shopping carts pushed by someone on a cell phone.
post #90 of 182
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
comments from previous threads..and yes strollers. I have just never seen this animosity towards strollers anywhere I have been in the Bay Area, the Central Valley, the "wine country" BFE California, when we went to Seattle, or in PDX. I have never seen it in my life. So I am wondering if this is more of a regional thing.
Seriously?? There is huge stroller animosity in the Bay Area! Especially San Francisco. I've lived in Napa, Sonoma, San Francisco, Silicon Valley and, as a side note, Oregon. Of these the only place I have not seen it is Ashland. San Francisco is renowned for being one of the most child unfriendly cities in the country. Stroller or not people glare at you if you dare take your child out to eat (much like a previous poster experienced in Germany), or really anywhere in the city at all. I have friends who have had people hiss "breeder" at then while they were pregnant or with children. And heck, I have stroller animosity myself...I hate my stroller with a passion!
post #91 of 182
I am not a huge fan of strollers. I don't feel comfortable using them anywhere but outside. I was lucky enough to be able to wear DD until she could walk and once she was walking that is what she would do at the mall/ stores. That was my comfort-zone, and sometimes I wondered why more women didn't opt for that since it just seemed so much easier then lugging a big stroller around. I am sure for some women (or men for that matter), wearing their baby wasn't an option, but it seems like a lot of people don't even know it is an option which is too bad.

What really gets me is people with bad stroller, shopping cart or just generally bad manners. Someone mentioned the blockade of strollers at the Zoo. I have seen that happen and the people don't budge or let you around. I have also seen people who are aware of their surroundings and let people past. It is like there are people who shop at the grocery store and will leave their cart (without a small child) in the middle of the isle so no one can get past simply because they don't have the courtesy to move it over. There are people on scooters who drive them with common sense and other people on them who will literally run into you if you don't hop out of the way.

I am certainly not hostile to all stroller users, but bad manners and lack of common sense is something that gets my back up.
post #92 of 182
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Originally Posted by hottmama View Post
I do get irritated at people in public with giant strollers-- especially the ones with the infant carseat stuck on top. Honestly, is it that hard to carry your 10 lb. kid rather than taking up 5x as much space as a normal person? I can understand needing a stroller for multiples or children with disabilities, or for transportation (outdoors!), but otherwise they just seem unnecessary, and I do think it's rude to hog up that much space, and in crowded places I've been bumped into more than once-- and my children have been bumped into, as well. Leave the strollers outside and teach your preschoolers to walk and behave in stores.
And this is coming from a poor mom of more than one, who has been car-free, does not have a nanny, and has moderately severe scoliosis.
Right after my c-section, nope, I couldn't carry my little 5 lb baby around while I shopped and tried to keep up with a three year old. And plus, why should I wake her up and make her scream for the whole trip when I can leave her in the infant carrier/stroller and she will sleep happily the whole time?
post #93 of 182
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Originally Posted by LilyGrace View Post
I'll admit, I have a problem with strollers. Too many of them are 'cadillacs' - huge things that have shocks and off-road tires that don't belong in stores. And parents are careless with them. I love children, but if there's a double stroller in the middle of the aisle of a crowded restroom, I'm going to curse the parents under my breath.

If more people used smaller strollers that were a single person wide and didn't take up a good portion of close areas, I don't think there'd be much of a problem with it. But it's the behemoths that make people groan - especially during the busy shopping season and the already crowded areas.
If you don't have a car, you NEED a troller with huge whees to get thru snow to the store.

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Originally Posted by Bunnyflakes View Post
First of all, I want to say that I normally agree with everything that you say But I have to disagree with the umbrella stroller thing. When I was a Nanny I found it to be really uncomfortable. Maybe I am just too tall? I always had to hunch over to push it and the larger stroller was much more comfortable for me to use. It was fairly big but obviously I didn't buy it

ETA: Ours umbrella stroller did not adjust, so perhaps they make some that do, in which case, disreguard what I just said!
I"m uder 5' tall,and I find umbrella strollers uncomfy to push.

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Originally Posted by HollyBearsMom View Post
My biggest issue are those jogging strollers with big "all weather"wheels that don't have a turning radius. Hello. it is a JOGGING stroller not a meander around the mall/grocery store/etc stroller. At least some have improved and you can set the front wheel turn but even so they are impossible to navigate around. If you want to jog, gor for it but leave the monstrocity at home when you are out shopping.
Agin,if you odt hve car, you need a stroller thtcan get you to hte store.

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Originally Posted by possum View Post
I dislike strollers. My 2.75 year old 38 lb son took his first stroller ride at the zoo with my husband a couple of weeks ago while I was helping a friend who just had a baby. He's been walking for almost 2 years now but rarely gets a chance to when we are out since I usually wear him. It is the most convenient and appropriate solution to our need to navigate the market and streets and stores that we have in our area. I'll admit I don't go out of my way to accommodate people who take their siege towers (those tall travel systems with buckets on top), battering rams (long double strollers), and other big honkin' things into crowded spaces. When I'm hauling a 38 pound toddler and my groceries I feel I'm already doing my part to make the market run smoothly.
While I have had people wonder if I was comfortable and if my son was okay, I have only had positive comments about him and our carriers.
If people really think of their strollers like a vehicle - for hauling children and coats, bags, food, groceries, shopping bags, and the like, then why don't they park them outside like a car or a bike? When I drive to a store, I take my son out of his seat and we go in - without a huge collection of stuff. If I need to take a bag, I carry it. Although it would be more convenient for me, I have never considered driving my car or bike through the aisles of the grocery store to pick up a few items.
Well, you do understand strollers don't lock right? It just isn't like a car in that way. I have one kid, Ad now that she is 4,I no onger use a stroller,but man do I miss it. It made life soooo much easier. She was a runner,so letting her walk wasn't an option. She does't run off on me now, or yeah, she'd be in a stroller.

I don't think I' ve ever been ru into by a stroller, or seen rude stroller bahaviour.

and as for the bus thing,if my daughter wants to sit in a space where a stroller can fit, I tell her that if someone in a wheelchair,using a walker, or pushing a stroller gets on,we are moving.
post #94 of 182
Well, not exactly a stroller story, but I was at the mall yesterday with my 2 year old dd & we we were in the elevator at JC Penney's (she was in a stroller). An older gentleman looked right at my dd (who was happy as can be & was a honey all day) and said "You should be at home napping!"

I just said, "actually she's in a great mood!"

Then later I heard some woman yell at a dad who just finished giving his little infant a bottle - and I mean yell across the way. "She just spit up all over!" Hmmm I think he saw that. I don't know if she thought she was being helpful in some way... I turned to the dad & said "Some people feel the need to comment on everything." He just agreed & shook his head.

Weird day at the mall yesterday.
post #95 of 182
I have two children, with one on the way. You bet your butt I take our stroller to the mall. My daughter (5) can walk long distances and has for at least 2.5 years. My son (almost 3) can walk and run long distances but doesn't give a damn about staying close by to mommy, so the stroller it is. We have a Joovy Caboose Sit-N-Stand that I will be using with the infant seat and ds standing on the back. He'll also have on a harness (oh, the horrors!) just in case he decides to bolt.

Babywearing doesn't work for me. I lose a lot of blood when I give birth and feel like sh!t for a couple of months and then my babies are to big to be carried. I have a bad back and hips so it's not an option.

If you don't like strollers, fine, don't use them. But leave everyone else alone.

I also have never seen people purposly ramming other shoppers with their strollers. I have seen accidents when someone walking in front of someone with a stroller stops unexpectedly, but chances are even if the person didn't have a stroller, they would have run in to them anyway.
post #96 of 182
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Originally Posted by pragmaticme View Post
I have yet to see a case of stroller rage in my neighborhood. And I live in an urban setting, but in Canada, so maybe we're more polite.
I'm in Toronto and I was reading this thread thinking the same thing. I've never gotten irritated at a mum with a stroller, although I did get bumped into once...in my entire life, that I remember.

I don't remember getting dirty looks with mine, although I know there's one brunch place that has banned them and Toronto Life did a story on it.

I'm reminded of a conversation I had with someone who was seriously upset that two old people had slowed him down at the supermarket. Sometimes I think we just have a really crazy society when people expect that they should be able to go at top speed with no one ever blocking them all the time. Of course courtesy is a two-way street. But really, if you're frothing at the mouth because someone was reading the soup ingredients and you wanted at the soup? Maybe your life is just a little out of control (and I say that warmly 'cause I have been there).

Just to geek out on strollers, I had three. A travel system I was given with my first child, that was wicked for groceries and library trips and cat food - it had a great basket. Also picnics. A jogging stroller with almost no storage on board that was so amazing over terrain and snow, and I also thought I might jog (cough). And a Maclaren for going on public transit and general popping about. Of course my son ended up mostly liking the Ergo, but then I had a back injury... anyways.

I was really, really grateful for anything that made me mobile and less trapped, in a healthy way. I also live in an area of Toronto where stores are all about 20 minutes away to walk to - even to get milk it's at least 10-15 min. So having a stroller was really nice.
post #97 of 182
I'm with you, OP. I don't get the hostility either. There are rude people with strollers and rude people without strollers. The rest of us non-rude people (with or without strollers) just have to put up with it.
post #98 of 182
I was once rammed into in London (UK, not Ontario) by a man pushing a stroller, but that's the only stroller trouble I've ever had! I like strollers.
post #99 of 182
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Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife View Post
ya know, I was just thinking perhaps some of the people who have been rammed into by a stroller weren't paying attention to their surroundings, or stopped abruptly to stare at something. Maybe, just maybe, it's not always the stroller pushers fault.
I was sort of thinking this too but didn't want to say anything. I live in a rather upscale area, where people tend to be kind of arrogant and entitled. And where everyone has giant double or triple strollers that probably cost more than my first car. So I would think that if anyone in the world were likely to be the stroller-ramming type, it would be the sorts of women around here. But I have to say that I have never, ever been rammed or pushed or even really aggressively grazed by someone else's stroller.

However, I can't even count the number of times that someone has walked right into my stroller, totally not looking where they're going. And this seems to happen more when my stroller is stopped then when I'm actually walking with it! At least when I'm moving, I can get out of someone's way.
post #100 of 182
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Originally Posted by Chamomile Girl View Post
Seriously?? There is huge stroller animosity in the Bay Area! Especially San Francisco. I've lived in Napa, Sonoma, San Francisco, Silicon Valley and, as a side note, Oregon. Of these the only place I have not seen it is Ashland. San Francisco is renowned for being one of the most child unfriendly cities in the country. Stroller or not people glare at you if you dare take your child out to eat (much like a previous poster experienced in Germany), or really anywhere in the city at all. I have friends who have had people hiss "breeder" at then while they were pregnant or with children. And heck, I have stroller animosity myself...I hate my stroller with a passion!
And I have lived in Santa Rosa, Rohnert Park, Cobb, (near Clear Lake) and Manteca (an hour south of Sac.) And now near Portland. I didn't say San Fransisco I said the Bay Area.. I am not sure we have been to SF with a kid in a stroller... but I as I said before.. I have never ever run into this attitude ANYWHERE I have been. And I have never heard of SF as being "renowned for being one of the most child unfriendly cities in the country." Is this something that has happened in just that last 5 years??
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