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What leverage / consequences can I use for a 5 (almost 6) year old?

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DS (turns 6 in a few weeks) DOES NOT LISTEN. I don't know where or when it all went so bad, but he is downright disrespectful and rude. He has started using really bad language (calling his 2 yo brother an idiot and stupid), he will throw his wet pull-up at his dad's face, he will try to get his brother (and other kids) to defy anything an adult says (if I ask him to wash his hands for dinner, he'll say to his brother "let's not wash our hands!"), he tries to get accomplices - when I ask him to get in the car he will instead run around the car (in a parking lot!) and tell his friend "come on, let's get away from them"), if I ask him to do something he'll just say NO!

When he gets undressed he throws his clothing on the floor, he puts food from the dinner table on the floor, he takes his brother's fork and puts it on the floor and laughs, if his brother drops a picture he's been colouring, DS will walk on it, he'll walk on his coat, my coat, etc. He'll take the pillows off my bed, and I will tell him to please put them back, he'll look at me defiantly and throw them over the railing down to the first floor and then laugh - or say something like "ha ha, you can't get it". Last night he came in and wumped me with a pillow over the head.

Other times, he is very sweet, kind, caring, considerate, sensitive, so some of these behaviors are not expected (and are getting worse after DH has been letting him watch horrible cartoons meant for teenagers on tv! arg!!).

He told me to shut up the other day. He will take a cup of water and purposefully pour it on the floor, even if I ask him not to.

I just don't know what to do about this behavior. I got a call from his school last week that he is being disrespectful to the teachers and disruptive to the class. I tell him it's not acceptable, I try explaining why, I try role playing good behaviour, talk about making good choices instead of bad ones, nothing seems to sink in. He is just so rude and disrespectful. It makes me really really sad and scared that this is who my sweet little boy is becoming. Other parents have started excluding him from birthday parties and play dates, and I'm sure it's because of his bad language and behaviour.

What leverage can I have? I don't like the idea of sending him to his room, and if I did I am not sure he would care. I can't think of anything he would care enough about if I took it away, (like a toy or something). But I feel like I need some leverage as a consequence of bad behaviour. I try to think about natural consequences but I don't feel like they are strong enough - I'm not sure he'd care if he found out he was being excluded from a bday party because he was rude. I make him clean up messes he makes on purpose, but what is a natural consequence of throwing a dirty diaper at his dad's face? Or hitting me over the head with a pillow, or calling his little brother names? Or walking on his brother's picture or coat?

Help!!! I want to help him become a better person but I don't know how. I've decided we are unplugging all of the tv's and it will become a priviledge that has to be earned with good behaviour. That's all I can think of. Again, not sure it will work though - he will just plug it back in and keep turning it on, or sneak down and turn it on.
post #2 of 5
Is this behavior "new?" Since when? If the behavior is new, then look at what was happening in his life when it started. Ask him about his experiences at school and listen carefully. Try to determine if possibly an older kid has bothered him in some way, or if something bad happened to him.

If he has always been a challenging kid -- then the look at the structure in your day to day life, and your approach to parenting. Try to figure out if your parenting techniques are a good match for his temperment. This is a kid who needs very clear expectations, very clear structure to his day, and very clear house rules that are consistent. You may even want to consult with a behavioral health professional, and consider having him evaluated.

Elimimating TV is good. I think you need to be very specific about what he needs to do to earn it back, and how you will track his behavior. Think carefully about this -- you want him to understand that because he did X, Y, and Z.... he is showing that he can handle watching a TV show. (You can explain to him the logical connection between bad behavior and too much TV.) You may want to track his behavior in writing or with stickers or something so that he can "see" it. I'm not a fan of sticker charts for normal day-to-day kid problems, but this situation is extreme, and sometimes a chart makes a good "self-monitoring" tool for a kid who can't seem to self- monitor on their own. This is a situation where using a chart as a tool to pull yourself and your child out of a rut is probably a good idea.

There are some fantastic creative behavior charts in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Rewards-Kids-R...0111361&sr=8-1 The book does a good job in describing how and when to use a chart and what it means to be specific.

Even when the TV comes back on for limited, earned recreation time -- he should NOT be exposed to shows that are innapropriate for his age.

I send my kids to their rooms when they hurt the bodies of feelings of a family member. You are right -- they don't always mind. In fact, sometimes they enjoy themselves. Thats okay though! Kids don't have to suffer in order to learn. Going to his room gives him a chance to cool his heels, gives you a chance to cool your heels, gives his little brother some respite from being tormented, and teaches the lesson that "If you can't be nice to people, then you can't be around people," which is logical. Eventually he'll get the connection and then its a choice for him -- be ugly and nasty alone or decent and civil with your family -- and if you think about it, either choice is acceptable.

Finally, Dad needs to step up to the plate and enforce a level of decency here. A boy's Dad can make a big difference by modeling what it means to be a good man, and how to treat the people around him. If he's not already doing it, Dad needs to be an equal partner in making a behavior plan, enforcing consistency, and working with your son. He should also be having conversations with teachers and administrators when he has a problem at school so that he can really get a feel for what is going. This shouldn't fall just on you.
post #3 of 5
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Thanks. Unfortunately DH will not get involved, and is very inconsistent with discipline, he is either "throw your hands in the air" and do nothing, or he becomes totally unreasonable - with no warning will say he's throwing all the toys in the garbage b/c they are on the floor (though they've been on the floor for the past 3 months an nobody said anything...or if DS does something, DH will say "then I'm going to break your toy!") Yes, I'm dealing with 2 five year olds it feels like....

DH is not very respectful to us, and is not a good role model in many ways. He is a hard worker and has some good qualities, but he is not respectful, does not speak to me or the kids in a respectful way many times, and is not interested in getting very involved in disciplining the kids or helping solve this (though to me he is a big part of the problem). So unfortunately it does and will all fall on my shoulders.

I would say the behaviour has really, really worsened over the last 2 months. We moved to a new town, new house, new school 3 months ago. The new routine since September is DH picks him up from school, they come home and play board games or cards for an hour, then DS watches tv (whatver he wants) for 1-2 hours while DH makes dinner and until I get home. It has also really escalated in the last few weeks, the only trigger I can think of is that we/he found out that he is operating at about a 40% hearing loss due to some fluid in his ears (that he's apparently had for a long time, even years possibly). He is upset about this, and insists he is just not paying attention, but the hearing test confirmed it.

I guess I've just attributed it to the bad tv he is watching in too large quantities...maybe it's more than that.
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DH is not very respectful to us, and is not a good role model in many ways. He is a hard worker and has some good qualities, but he is not respectful, does not speak to me or the kids in a respectful way many times, and is not interested in getting very involved in disciplining the kids or helping solve this (though to me he is a big part of the problem). So unfortunately it does and will all fall on my shoulders.
I would strongly suggest counseling for the two of you to address this. Things run so much more smoothly when you two can discipline as a team, regardless of how you choose to address the behavior.
post #5 of 5
How has your connection with him been lately? I find that when my dd and I are going through an unconnected period and I am viewing her as deliberately naughty we clash a lot and she does a lot of out really terrible things that are hard for me to deal with. If your connection isn't great right now then I think you need to find a way to rebuild it and view him as learning rather than rude and disrespectful.

If your connection has been fine and he is truly being rude and disrespectful to a point that is too extreme, then I think you should have some heart to heart discussions about his recent behavior and I think you should consider time-out if he goes to a place beyond what you can talk through and handle. I have only used it twice with my dd and I really don't like that option, but she has done a few things that really just go beyond acceptable and I needed her to just sit while I thought. We talked afterwards and found a way to get back on track together.
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