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Homeschooling should be reserved for gifted kids only.

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I encountered this attitude quite a bit recently. I happen to have one gifted child, but I also have one who did fairly average in school for his K and 1st grade years. I get positive comments on the gifted child's achievements, but I get a lot of, "oh my, he needs to be in school, honey," type comments about my secondborn son.

I get comments all the time from family and friends about how they see why I am homeschooling my oldest son, but they don't understand why I pulled my second as well. My oldest has some obvious gifted ability. My second son has trouble reading, but is otherwise fairly average. All the time they tell me that my second son would have been better left at school. Either so I can concentrate on the gifted child or let the 'experts' work with the one who is a bit behind in his reading- I get all sorts of comments that boil down to - "gifted kids can be homeschooled because of the extra help they need, but regular kids should be kept in school." I think they'd even be on board if he were really behind in school, but not just average.

Why is this attitude so prevalent? Another thread had me thinking about this a bit; is it is the fact that some of the more positive homeschool stories in the news feature extra gifted kids? The ones taking college course material already, the 10 year old doing advanced calc, the first grader that can give you a full info-dump on every country in the world, the spelling bee champ. I think it's good PR to get this info out to the doubtful so they can see the success stories to homeschool, but I wonder if it's given some of the uninformed some fairly high standards to expect from a homeschooler?

For example, over the (US) Thanksgiving holiday, my ILs were asking them about what the kids were learning in school, what they were doing. They seemed quite amused by my gifted child talking about things he's learned or his advanced math stuff. But they seemed concerned when my second son was just kind of going, "We did stuff. Spelling tests. I looked at rocks." Obviously, we did more that that, and those answers would be seen as acceptable from him last year when he was in public school. But now, my relatives seem to be waiting for him to become Einstein or something because I am homeschooling. I guess it's just frustrating, because they don't see homeschooling as a choice for kids of all abilities- just something for those who are gifted, and if they are pulled, they should automatically become gifted magically or something.

Anyone else have to deal with this situation? How do you approach it? Because I kind of think it might hurt my second son's feelings a bit when he hears that people basically think he's too 'average'.
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I encountered this attitude quite a bit recently. I happen to have one gifted child, but I also have one who did fairly average in school for his K and 1st grade years. I get positive comments on the gifted child's achievements, but I get a lot of, "oh my, he needs to be in school, honey," type comments about my secondborn son.

I get comments all the time from family and friends about how they see why I am homeschooling my oldest son, but they don't understand why I pulled my second as well. My oldest has some obvious gifted ability. My second son has trouble reading, but is otherwise fairly average. All the time they tell me that my second son would have been better left at school. Either so I can concentrate on the gifted child or let the 'experts' work with the one who is a bit behind in his reading- I get all sorts of comments that boil down to - "gifted kids can be homeschooled because of the extra help they need, but regular kids should be kept in school." I think they'd even be on board if he were really behind in school, but not just average.

well by their logic the gifted child should be in school, where they can do their won thing, and the "less gifted" should be at home with one on one constant attention so they can do better.

Fustrating though, fustrating adn stupid


Why is this attitude so prevalent? Another thread had me thinking about this a bit; is it is the fact that some of the more positive homeschool stories in the news feature extra gifted kids? The ones taking college course material already, the 10 year old doing advanced calc, the first grader that can give you a full info-dump on every country in the world, the spelling bee champ. I think it's good PR to get this info out to the doubtful so they can see the success stories to homeschool, but I wonder if it's given some of the uninformed some fairly high standards to expect from a homeschooler?

I think this is true -- all the "stories" about HS are teh WOW oh WOW stories. be them good or bad. like teh media jumping on homeschoolers who really arent and who's kids can't read at 15 or whatever.....

buttttttttt really that is what makes "news" be the child in school or at home or in a wheelchair or whatever -- the "outliers" are noteworthy .. the average, functional and normal are jsut THAT so no reason to talk about them.

now the over all effect that has on the "movement" i can't say -- but it is the same as the news picking up on the ONE class at some stuggling high school that excelled, or the one little school that is struggling that fails .... nothing like that EVER accounts for the average person ghetting the job done day after day -- the good and the bad and the odd get noticed.



For example, over the (US) Thanksgiving holiday, my ILs were asking them about what the kids were learning in school, what they were doing. They seemed quite amused by my gifted child talking about things he's learned or his advanced math stuff. But they seemed concerned when my second son was just kind of going, "We did stuff. Spelling tests. I looked at rocks." Obviously, we did more that that, and those answers would be seen as acceptable from him last year when he was in public school. But now, my relatives seem to be waiting for him to become Einstein or something because I am homeschooling. I guess it's just frustrating, because they don't see homeschooling as a choice for kids of all abilities- just something for those who are gifted, and if they are pulled, they should automatically become gifted magically or something.

Anyone else have to deal with this situation? How do you approach it? Because I kind of think it might hurt my second son's feelings a bit when he hears that people basically think he's too 'average'.

I wish i had advice for you, i am sure wise moms will.

I, personally, would worry about my 2nd being made to feel / look "too avergae" by IL and others even if i was not homeschooling. Not sure how to address it though.

Aimee
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Anyone else have to deal with this situation? How do you approach it? Because I kind of think it might hurt my second son's feelings a bit when he hears that people basically think he's too 'average'.
Ooh, I'd really make any talk like that stop right now before he ever has a chance to hear it. I've been around the homeschooling world for a very long time, and have never heard of such a thing before - and, to be quite frank, it makes me so angry to even think about it that I had to take a deep breath while reading about it . I don't care if one of them is more intellectually "gifted" than the other - their ability to homeschool is going to have a major effect for both of them being able to reach their own full unique potentials, and the one who is not so obviously intellectually gifted will be able to find his own gifts which might be every bit as impressive, not to mention important in his own life. The way I'd handle it is to be very assertive and just go ahead and let your mama bear intuition set the protective cushion you provide around your children's homeschooling boundaries. Lillian

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The beauty of homeschooling is that you teach each child according to his or her level, with little or no comparisons to what the other kids his age are doing in school. Gifted kids do NOT need to learn that "they're smarter than everybody else" and average kids don't need to think they're "stupid" because they can't keep up with the gifted kids.

If DS was in school, I know he'd be struggling, and his self esteem would probably suffer as well. I can really see one of two options: either he'd be in 3rd grade and his self-esteem would suffer from having trouble keeping up with the work, or he'd be in 2nd grade and his needs would be better met, but his self esteem might suffer from being "held back". By homeschooling, we can call him a "3rd grader" and just do whatever work he's ready for. I figure that the age difference won't be a big deal by the time he's ready to go to school, if he follows in his sisters' footsteps and wants to attend high school.

I don't know what to tell you about the nay-sayers in your area. Probably they're just looking for SOME reason to complain about your homeschooling, and they can't find anything bad to say about your gifted child. I suspect the attitude is more accurately "School is the norm, and all kids belong there, but I guess homeschooling is OK for some kids."
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I would explain that kids in school are of all types... so are kids that are homeschooled... the advantage of homeschooling is that your children will never fall through the cracks and get left behind. They will have tailored education that fits their exact needs depending on how they learn. "Gifted" or "average" are just words, all kids have potential. How many public schools could provide that?
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"gifted kids can be homeschooled because of the extra help they need, but regular kids should be kept in school."
I think the logic only works here if you assume something like the following:

Homeschooling is generally a poor alternative to public schooling which lacks in many areas. Its only selling point is the opportunity to individualize learning for children who have significant learning challenges. Children of average intellect don't particularly benefit from individualized learning programs, and the many other drawbacks of homeschooling mean that for them the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.

There are two major assumptions in this line of reasoning that I take issue with. First, homeschooling is not a poor alternative to public schooling that lacks in many areas. Secondly, "children of average intellect" benefit enormously from individualized education. And so the argument falls apart.

Personally I do not discuss my reasons for homeschooling with anyone except people who are intimately involved in our family. I just say "It works for us!"

Miranda
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I agree with what's been said, and I was also struck by the fact that "gifted" is defined pretty much entirely by school subjects in your description. What if your second son is never a great student, but he later discovers a major gift for auto mechanics or woodwork or something like that? What if he's an apprentice type of learner, rather than a book learner? What if he just hasn't found his stride or motivation yet?

I'm not criticizing you or your approach to homeschooling here, if it sounds like it at all. I'm just struck by how quickly and often kids are ranked, judged, and labeled, even at such young ages, and even by people who have little or no basis for judgement. I hope you can shut it down (or at least shut it out of your home) and keep doing what's right for your sons as individuals.
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I'm not criticizing you or your approach to homeschooling here, if it sounds like it at all. I'm just struck by how quickly and often kids are ranked, judged, and labeled, even at such young ages, and even by people who have little or no basis for judgement. I hope you can shut it down (or at least shut it out of your home) and keep doing what's right for your sons as individuals.
No, I totally understand where you're going here. It does drive me nuts because I do think he's going to excel at more tactile things. Things he might not even be exposed to at school but might discover from scouts or 4-H or general interest.

And I still have one in K and two younger at home. What they become interested in amazes me everyday, and I want to help facilitate that learning and interest. I think you're right in that it seems like gifted=academic talent, at least in this area.

I don't know if it's maybe the area I'm in too. I'm about an hour south of the Chicagoland area and about an hour and a half north of University of Illinois. School district discussion is one of the top topics of conversation around here, and that's usually directly related both academics and sports programs. So I think homeschooling is sort of associated with not attending one of the top tier schools as opposed to wanting to tailor to your child's learning style.
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I think the logic only works here if you assume something like the following:

Homeschooling is generally a poor alternative to public schooling which lacks in many areas. Its only selling point is the opportunity to individualize learning for children who have significant learning challenges. Children of average intellect don't particularly benefit from individualized learning programs, and the many other drawbacks of homeschooling mean that for them the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
I definitely see this theme. My son is 2E and when I explain his "issues" with a classroom it's as if I've somehow validated the "need" to homeschool. Of course, the "need" to homeschool follows his giftedness and I think part of it has to do with their "relief" that "at least he's ahead"... kind of along the lines that if I screw up, he'll just be "average" instead of behind. It's infuriating. My son is almost 6yo. My daughter is 1yo and it's rare that people ask if I'll hs her. It's almost assumed she'll go to school.


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It does drive me nuts because I do think he's going to excel at more tactile things. Things he might not even be exposed to at school but might discover from scouts or 4-H or general interest.
Totally agreed. I feel so badly for the highschoolers that I taught who had never been exposed to the things they'll excel in. I spent one class session one day (23 boys and 1 girl) talking about how we grade them on things that had nothing to do with success in life--so being a "C" student in school didn't equate to having "C" value in life. They were stunned when I explained this in detail. One of them is now going to college when he never even imagined such a thing. And that's disgusting. (I taught electives)


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I don't know if it's maybe the area I'm in too. I'm about an hour south of the Chicagoland area and about an hour and a half north of University of Illinois. School district discussion is one of the top topics of conversation around here, and that's usually directly related both academics and sports programs. So I think homeschooling is sort of associated with not attending one of the top tier schools as opposed to wanting to tailor to your child's learning style.
First, we're moving from NJ to the Chicago area.

But where we are, people definitely assume that I hs because I'm not in a top district.
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Off-topic: Heather, I didn't realize you had a 2E almost 6 y.o.! So do I! In fact, we see the dev ped tomorrow to find how just how E he is in both directions!

"I'm just struck by how quickly and often kids are ranked, judged, and labeled, even at such young ages, and even by people who have little or no basis for judgment."

Ditto. I dread the upcoming comparisons between my 3 y.o. and 5 y.o. - what if she doesn't learn to read as quickly? Oh noes! Better send her to public school! I'm afraid that her progress, if "normal" as opposed to her brother's "accelerated," will be seen as a sign of something gone wrong rather than as, you know, NORMAL.
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I think it might hurt my second son's feelings a bit when he hears that people basically think he's too 'average'.
yes, i totally agree. i've never heard of anything so absurd, but i would definitely put an end to that discussion should it come up again. i realize your second ds is not "gifted", but i'm also certain there is nothing "average" about him. he is incredibly special in his own right, ykwim? it would be unfair for him to grow up thinking otherwise by being overly compared to his brother. labels tend to stay with us, regardless if they are true or not, and there is no reason your ds should feel inferior in anyway to his sibling (and it sounds like these conversations could potentially harvest that mindset). when the conversation comes up again, i would address it.

hugs.
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The child who struggles in school benefits from homeschooling because he/she will get the 1-1 help they need to succeed without being subjected to knowing on a daily basis that they are behind.

If such a child is in school, they will ultimately get the 1-1, but not immediately. Sometimes a parent may have to fight for it. I know that I did. I was told that my son was "not far enough behind to get special help", so I had to go to bat and advocate for him.

The school's protocol for your child may not be your protocol.

Furthermore, you or your partner may have passed on a learning disability to your child. The fact that you have dealt with such a learning problem for a lifetime may help you in instructing your child around the "bumps" in the learning road.
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I'd have to let these people know that EACH of my children are gifted. Gifted with parents who care enough about them to treat them as individuals, see their individual needs and be able to MEET those individual needs through homeschooling.
:P to those weirdos.
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