spoon fed vax on the horizon? - Page 2

[felix23]

Wouldn't spoon vaccines be administered at the doctor's offices like the shot vaccines? It would seem that the procedure for obtaining vaccines would be the exact same as it is now except that instead of getting a shot, it could be mixed with a food product and given that way.

True2Him, do you administer and keep vaccines now for your clients? If you don't, then I wouldn't really worry. If you do, then the same steps that keep them from getting the current vaccines could be used to protect oral ones.

And as someone who vaccinates, I really would love it if they come out with an oral version.

[Dabble]

Originally Posted by felix23

Wouldn't spoon vaccines be administered at the doctor's offices like the shot vaccines? It would seem that the procedure for obtaining vaccines would be the exact same as it is now except that instead of getting a shot, it could be mixed with a food product and given that way.

True2Him, do you administer and keep vaccines now for your clients? If you don't, then I wouldn't really worry. If you do, then the same steps that keep them from getting the current vaccines could be used to protect oral ones.

And as someone who vaccinates, I really would love it if they come out with an oral version.

Yes, of course they would still be administered at the doctor's office. I'm not sure where this leap from an oral vaccine to it being mixed into food and available OTC in unlimited quantities came from.

Here are the things I know:
1 - Vaccines are sensitive to temperature and handling, and have shelf-lives.
2 - Vaccines must be delivered in precise doses tailored to each individual patient in order to be effective.
3 - Vaccines are highly-regulated, and only available for administration by those licensed to do so.

Any one of those three would make the scenario of them being mixed into food and available to the average consumer absolutely impossible.

Besides, vaccines are expensive. It's not as if they could sneak some Oral Polio Vaccine into a box of Little Debbies and dupe unwitting consumers into eating them. There would be no profit.

I personally think the promise of oral vaccines is not to be feared. One of the beefs I've had with vaccines is the unnatural route of entry into the body, as (from what I've read) the body can have a hard time responding to a virus that enters from such an unusual route. The oral and nasal vaccines could really be a step in the right direction.

[Ambystoma]

The problem with vaccine-laced food is the dosage. One of my former micro professors had a former grad student who is now a researcher working on polyvalent vaccines for 3rd world countries. Their goal was to figure out a way to get the vaccines in food (particularly fruit like bananas) to make them easier to distribute, etc. However, they couldn't for the life of them figure out a way to make the dosage work. (Can't make it too high in case someone at lots of the bananas, and not too low because then 1 isn't effective, etc). So, I'm not worried about laced food for that reason, and the profit reason above. However, as a future selective/delayed vaxer, I think an oral version would be nicer and possibly safer depending on how it was formulated.

[tessie]

Originally Posted by tessie

Would it be possible to get high from a vaccine?

Nobody knows? I'll have to stick to gin.

[true2Him]

...sigh

I clicked to read more on the article. http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225808340062

"If this all comes together, Dr Marshall and fellow scientists attached to his biotech company Ondek will have created a new way to deliver a vaccine to the body through the wall of the stomach.

"Hopefully we can make something so benign and safe and easy to produce that we will replace many of the vaccines that require injection," Dr Marshall said.

"You would take it as a couple of tablets over three or four days or it might be in a six-pack of mini-yoghurts ... so you could potentially sell your flu vaccine through supermarkets."

I didn't suggest sales through supermarkets. The doctor did. That is why I questioned how it would be regulated. If I can buy a flu vaccine at the supermarket the same way I can get a shot at Wal-Mart, then it's not just done at the doctor's office. If someone wants to get a shot, a spray, eat a snack, use a roll-on deodorant, put on lotion or whatever to get their vaccine, that's fine. I would just hope that measures are in place to keep people from potentially injuring themselves because I have seen people who administer shots not know what they're doing both in and out of the doctor's office. Some otc medicines used to be available only by prescription.

This could be the beginning of vaccines available in food form, but nowhere did I suggest that when this comes out Suzie Q could pick up her MMR or DTaP in the frozen food section. I commented based on the section in the article that didn't bother to expand on being available in supermarkets which can mean any person wanting the vaccine available (in this case, a flu vaccine) can just pick it up and take it home without having to finish all the medication in front of an administrator. Considering all the people who have posted about how they didn't want someone administering a flu vaccine to their children, easy accessibility would become a real concern.

Anyway, I'm finished here.

[caned & able]

Since teenagers don't tend to buy their snacks from the medicine aisle of the pharmacy, I think you're okay (unless of course big pharma has been covering up the mass killings!!!!!!!!!!! Eeeek!)

In some parts of the country, Sudafed and other OTC's are sold from behind the counter and the customer needs to show their identification in order to buy because these meds are abused for themselves and their ingredients in making illicit drugs.