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Held DD and Now Confused

post #1 of 8
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My 3yo has been a handful recently. She's been hugely impulsive, a bit defiant, and all the usual goodies of the stage. That's been all right. DH and I have worked extra hard to childproof, to remain connected, to work on our anger and to keep it in perspective. The running joke is watching 3yo get into one thing after another is like a real life Keystone Kops clip with the Benny Hill theme playing. Just humming the theme when we feel things getting tense helps a ton.

But today, towards the evening when I start to feel blue, and we're running out of steam, it began to spiral out of control. She simply stopped hearing us and was getting wilder as she got further and furher overtired. Then she very nearly jumped on her 1mo sister's head while we were changing the baby's diaper. It wasn't deliberate, in fact she fell, but it could have been very bad and it was the result of more behavior we'd been failing all evening to dissuade her from.

Well, I scooped her up, put her in a cradle hold I learned from martial arts, and held her as she squalled, speaking calmly and firmly to her until she finally heard me. She's now minding us. I'm not sure how I feel about it, except that my arms are sore. First, I'm certain that I held her in such a way that I could not have physically hurt her, I simply immobilized her (mostly prevented her from hitting, kicking, biting, and head butting me). She did scream that I was hurting her, but she does that when placed in a seat, having her hand held, having clothes put on, etc, and she also claimed a little while before that I'd hit the baby, so I'm guessing it's either not understanding what the words mean or a fib. Second, I kept my head and explained myself carefully, she seemed to understand. When she had calmed down, she got the hug and then the nursing that she'd wanted, and we laid some ground rules. So far, so good, but she is tired both from it being late and from being held.

I need feedback to process what went down. What have I taught her? Did I harm our relationship? I am all right with what I did from my usual "all bets are off if someone is in danger" rule, but want a long range perspective. Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 8
You were trying to protect your baby from her over-tired older sibling. IMO you succeeded beautifully. All the alternatives that I can think of would either be more traumatic for your 3 yo, or fail to protect your baby. Basically you kept your kids safe through creative hugging.
post #3 of 8
To me this feels fine. Great, even. But it's not really about the specific action (the holding) itself, as much as it is the "vibe" of the action. Know what I mean? Were you in a place of calm, loving, peace? Or did you feel agitated or controlling?

Basically, I think if it felt right to you, it will have been good for your daughter -- and it sounds as if this was the case. Often these things are so much more about the interaction than about the action itself. It's like how the same suggestion ("go to your room to calm down") can be delivered in an authoritarian, distancing sort of way ("go to your room; this kind of behavior is despicable and I don't want you near me") or in a loving, inviting kind of way ("hey, baby, if you're having a hard time, you could maybe go cuddle in your bed with the door closed for a few minutes and cool down").

I think you've gotta trust your gut on this one.

Have you read any of the books/articles by Aletha Solter? I don't agree with *everything* she says, but she has some ideas about the holding/crying thing that I think are pretty enlightening.
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the reassurance. I was tempted to feel guilty because, by the time I'd scooped her up, the danger was past, and there's no way that the action could be 100% free of a controlling vibe. The only time I started to get agitated was when I had to shift her slightly to keep from getting kicked in the head and my arm began to cramp, I really needed to shake it out. I started to shake my arm while holding her in it, but DH said something and that snapped me back to the present (my arm is still sore, lol).

I think, overall, we did it as best we could. Both my husband and I were present, even her little sister was (albeit asleep), everyone but her was calm and supportive, even if united that the behavior had to stop now. I'm really surprised by her reaction. She did fight and she did her usual "you're hurting me" play and she sure tried to hit me, but she also immediately started begging to be hugged. We did hug once she had calmed down, and she really listened to what I had to say, but she seemed so peaceful and calm, it was not what I'd expected, I'd expected resistance and resentment. I'm grateful that she isn't inclined to craftiness or manipulation, I guess, because she wears her feelings on her sleeves at all times and I didn't need to second guess her motivations in seeming collected.

She has minded us better since last night, but it's no panacea. Perhaps the best part is that I feel confident again, like I have a tool up my sleeve for a worst case scenario. Out of the blue, we seem to have our sweet, pre-new-baby, pre-my-pregnancy, girl back.

I'll look out for those articles, could you share a link?
post #5 of 8
I may not be phrasing this well, but to me there's a difference between controlling a person and controlling a situation. You're the grownups, and you controlled the situation to keep your children safe without condemnation. Mindful, non-punitive restraint respects everyone.
post #6 of 8
Aletha Solter

It sounds like you met your dd's needs. Sometimes that doesn't look like rainbows and kittens, y'know?

I have a very fiery kid at my house, and from my experience + lots and lots of reading, I have come to believe that she gets completely overtaken by her emotions and very much needs me to take over for her (occasionally physically, similar to the holding you described) and use my calm body to guide her back to center.
post #7 of 8
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Originally Posted by philosoikou View Post
Aletha Solter

It sounds like you met your dd's needs. Sometimes that doesn't look like rainbows and kittens, y'know?

I have a very fiery kid at my house, and from my experience + lots and lots of reading, I have come to believe that she gets completely overtaken by her emotions and very much needs me to take over for her (occasionally physically, similar to the holding you described) and use my calm body to guide her back to center.
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
Very interesting articles. I'm not sure that I'm as pro-tantrum as she is (ie 3yo might feel relieved after a good lovingly handled tantrum, but the rest of us will be on edge, clockwork as transactional analysis), but I can sign on to her approach to handling the tantrums when they do come up. It beats throwing a tantrum myself or simply checking out.
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