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Non vaxer now has to vax -- Question about MMR reaction// Update #35

post #1 of 37
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Let me give you some background before I get to the situation because I *know* you all will want to know why we've switched from non-vaxing to vaxing.

We're a formerly non vaccinating family because my 9 yr old stopped breathing from the DPT when he was 6 mos. (No fog on the mirror, but I roused him. Lips were not blue. He also slept for 5.5 hrs straight, so I was checking on him like every 2 minutes!) I was afraid nobody would believe me, so I didn't tell his doctor for a few years. After his 9 mo shots, which I was nervous about but did anyway because I thought I HAD to, we just stopped going to the doc unless they were sick and I refused shots if we were asked. I finally sat and talked it over with the doc about the reaction ds1 had and he was very understanding and respectful of our decision even though he disagreed. Ds1 was 5 years old.

Because of Ds1's reaction, we didn't vax our other children at all. We lived in TX where we have 3 exemptions available. My kids were able to attend public school without their shots.


Now that you have the background, here's the situation...

We recently moved to another state where there is only a medical exemption and my kids REALLY want to be in public school. My daughter doesn't want to be homeschooled anymore. (She had been at home for 1st grade due to anxiety.)

In order for dd to go ahead and enroll, we got her shots. She is 8 years old and has had no shots prior to 1 month ago when she received one DPT shot. (Whatever it's called these days.) Her first day was yesterday, 2 days after the shots.

She received:
DPT (2 doses so far)
Polio
Hep A
Hep B
MMR

This was Monday that she received all of these at once. I'd have liked to do 1 at a time, but she wanted and needed to be in school and it has already been over a month since her first DTaP dose. There were a lot of issues over the last month and we weren't able to keep getting her shots each week like I wanted, so that's why we did 5 at once this week. Not what how I wanted to start her, but I just wanted to get it done.

Anyway, we were able to get her enrolled, officially, yesterday afternoon and she spent the last few hours at school. By dinner time she'd been complaining of a stomachache and feeling unwell. I thought it was just her anxiety hitting her, so I just told her to relax, don't stress, etc.

By 10:30 last night she was feverish and throwing up. She developed chills and kept throwing up and remained feverish through the night and into this morning. The throwing up stopped around 3 AM, I'd guess. I'm not sure when the chills ceased, but I kept her covered as much as I could. Her fever gradually lowered, it wasn't a quick break with sweats or anything. Her mood has been very upbeat, she's pretty low-key today, but is definitely feeling better than she was last night. In fact, she's making her lunch for tomorrow as I type this.

Could this be an MMR reaction or regular illness or virus? There is no rash.

she has spent ONLY about 3 hours at school. Yesterday was her very first day and she was there for only half of it.
post #2 of 37
I'm not a doctor, so take this with a grain of salt please. I'm flexible about vaxing and think people should be allowed to skip or delay based on what they feel is best for their family and kids. Having said that, I'm generally pro-vax for myself and my son for a lot of reasons (including a lot of international travel to developing countries).

The MMR shot was one I was really worried about. The most common side effects include a fever and rash, but they generally don't show up until 7-12 days after the shot. I don't think vomiting is a side effect of this shot, unless it was an allergic reaction and it sounds like too much time had passed for it to have been that. My guess would be that it's a virus of some sort, especially if she's in a new school exposed to a whole host of different kids.
post #3 of 37
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Originally Posted by Addy's Mom View Post
I'm not a doctor, so take this with a grain of salt please. I'm flexible about vaxing and think people should be allowed to skip or delay based on what they feel is best for their family and kids. Having said that, I'm generally pro-vax for myself and my son for a lot of reasons (including a lot of international travel to developing countries).

The MMR shot was one I was really worried about. The most common side effects include a fever and rash, but they generally don't show up until 7-12 days after the shot. I don't think vomiting is a side effect of this shot, unless it was an allergic reaction and it sounds like too much time had passed for it to have been that. My guess would be that it's a virus of some sort, especially if she's in a new school exposed to a whole host of different kids.

Same guess for me as well. We don't vaccinate at all, and within the first week of school (1st grade) my daughter came home with a stomach bug. She had to miss the 4th day of her 1st week of school! Had we vaccinated her recently, I probably would have blamed it on the vaccines.

But Addy's mom is right on. There are so many new germs at school, and your daughter probably just caught a little something.
post #4 of 37
I'm sorry, this is not any help for you on the reaction, but I have a question. If 2 of your kids have now had what looks like a reaction to vaccines, why can't you get a medical exemption? I've never had to deal with this, so forgive me for being ignorant (though I may have to go through it some day). But I honestly think that your situation is what the medical exemption is for!
post #5 of 37
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Originally Posted by triony View Post
I'm sorry, this is not any help for you on the reaction, but I have a question. If 2 of your kids have now had what looks like a reaction to vaccines, why can't you get a medical exemption? I've never had to deal with this, so forgive me for being ignorant (though I may have to go through it some day). But I honestly think that your situation is what the medical exemption is for!
I agree.

Ds1's reaction wasn't documented. I didn't talk to his doc about it till he was 5, 4.5 yrs after the fact. And I seriously doubt anyone will take dd's reaction as just that -- a reaction. They'll call it a virus. It's quite frustrating to feel like no matter what you do, nobody will believe you. And that's why I didn't report ds1's reaction in the first place. Because I don't think I would have been believed by a standard, mainstream thinking, doctor.
post #6 of 37
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Originally Posted by emma1325 View Post
Same guess for me as well. We don't vaccinate at all, and within the first week of school (1st grade) my daughter came home with a stomach bug. She had to miss the 4th day of her 1st week of school! Had we vaccinated her recently, I probably would have blamed it on the vaccines.

But Addy's mom is right on. There are so many new germs at school, and your daughter probably just caught a little something.
She's only been there for 3 hours. Total. Yesterday was her very first day there. And she said she'd been feeling off all day. She started complaining of feeling badly within a couple of hours of being home and started throwing up about 6 hours later.

If she'd picked it up at school, I seriously doubt it would have hit her that quickly.
post #7 of 37
She could have picked something up at the doctor's office.
post #8 of 37
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Originally Posted by Plaid Leopard View Post
She could have picked something up at the doctor's office.
True. It was at the health department and there's no telling how many kids play with those toys... Yuck.
post #9 of 37
Is Hep A required now? I thought it was optional.
post #10 of 37
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Originally Posted by vitochka View Post
Is Hep A required now? I thought it was optional.
In my state, it is required. All vaccines are required in West Virginia but if I delay vaxing for long enough, then they only need the following for school:

TB test
MMR
DPT (or whatever variation thereof)
Hep A
Hep B
Polio
post #11 of 37
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Originally Posted by HarperRose View Post
In my state, it is required. All vaccines are required in West Virginia but if I delay vaxing for long enough, then they only need the following for school:

TB test
MMR
DPT (or whatever variation thereof)
Hep A
Hep B
Polio
There is a blood test for TB now.
post #12 of 37
Mama, just wanted to send you some

Sounds very stressful to be put in that position and I am really sorry that you have to deal with it. I hope she feels better soon.

My only thought, maybe she is reacting to having all of those vaccines? Meaning just too much at one time for her? Or stress/ anxiety? Poor thing.

take care.
post #13 of 37
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Originally Posted by HarperRose View Post
She's only been there for 3 hours. Total. Yesterday was her very first day there. And she said she'd been feeling off all day. She started complaining of feeling badly within a couple of hours of being home and started throwing up about 6 hours later.

If she'd picked it up at school, I seriously doubt it would have hit her that quickly.
oooh. Ok. I guess I missed that part.

Well, we don't vaccinate because we think they're harmful...so my next answer is colored by this belief. It probably was a reaction if she says she's not been feeling right since the vaccines. Or maybe she did pick something up at the Doctor's office, as someone else mentioned.

Or it could be a combination of those two things.
post #14 of 37
My guess would be that that many vaxes at once lowered her immune system. I can't imagine it wouldn't. Thus she was more likely to get sick. But sick from the vaxes maybe indrectly or a reaction. Either way I hope she feels better soon.
post #15 of 37
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Well, it appears to have been a virus. My unvaxed 2 yr old just puked all over me.

I do agree, though, with the poster who suggested it could have weakened her immune system to make her more susceptible to developing an illness.

Yay for vaccines and the system.
post #16 of 37
Just wanted to point out that medical exemptions are almost impossible to get.
Im sorry youre going through this.
post #17 of 37
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Very true, Natalia. It's awful!

And now my 9 yr old is also puking. Oh, yay.
post #18 of 37
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Originally Posted by mountainsun View Post
Mama, just wanted to send you some

Sounds very stressful to be put in that position and I am really sorry that you have to deal with it. I hope she feels better soon.

My only thought, maybe she is reacting to having all of those vaccines? Meaning just too much at one time for her? Or stress/ anxiety? Poor thing.

take care.


Thank you. It's been a real ... well, the only term I can think of is totally inappropriate here. LOL But the bottom line is that it's REALLY screwing with my head.
post #19 of 37
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Originally Posted by HarperRose View Post
Well, it appears to have been a virus. My unvaxed 2 yr old just puked all over me.

I do agree, though, with the poster who suggested it could have weakened her immune system to make her more susceptible to developing an illness.

Yay for vaccines and the system.

I can relate to your situation because I lived in Mississippi and was forced to homeschool my 5 year old for Kindergarten. If we hadn't moved to Texas, I'm not sure what we were going to do.

Have you checked into whether or not WV accepts titers for any of the diseases? (MS did.) Now that she's had some shots, I would think that she'd be more likely to show positive antibody levels. Maybe you could contact West Virginians for Vaccination Exemption: http://www.wvve.info/ and find out about titers...might be good to know for next time your daughter is due for some shots. Maybe you could even get involved with this organization and help get the laws changed so that other parents don't have to go through this!

Good luck!! Sorry you're going through this stressful situation.
post #20 of 37
I am so sorry you are going through this. I know the medical exemptions are hard to get, but since they both had reactions, maybe you can find a dr who will agree to sign one?
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