Non vaxer now has to vax -- Question about MMR reaction// Update #35 - Page 2

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I can relate to your situation because I lived in Mississippi and was forced to homeschool my 5 year old for Kindergarten. If we hadn't moved to Texas, I'm not sure what we were going to do.

TX is really great for parental rights on things like vax, homeschooling, homebirthing, etc. I love that about it. It's the heat I can't handle.

Have you checked into whether or not WV accepts titers for any of the diseases? (MS did.)

I don't know. I know they took me at my word when I said she'd had chicken pox. I thought they required documentation, but apparently not.

Good luck!! Sorry you're going through this stressful situation.

Thanks. Well, I went to wvve.info and tried to contact them looking for a doc who might sign a medical exemption but their email in their contact link doesn't work. VERY frustrating. I found the whole site to be less than helpful. You know what I mean? Like, "This is our goal but nothing can be done about it so you're SOL. Sorry."

My 9 yr old is refusing shots still (not that it's a *choice* mind you, but I have to pick my battles at the moment and I'm not ready for that one yet) and his therapist wants to talk it over with him before we do it. I hope it will be successful.

When he had to get stitches at 3 and 6 yrs old it took me and 4 strong men (including dh) to hold him down so the doctor could stitch him up. Then a blood draw for pre-op blood work was just as bad, but it was only me and dh available while the phlebotomist drew his blood. I do not relish the idea of shots with him.

My brother said he's willing to go with us when the time comes. It just freaks me out. I wish I could get him sedated for it. But I'd have to do that 3 times because some of the vaccines he has to have 3 of.

[FernG]

http://www.wvimmunization.org/LinkCl...%3D&tabid=1639

The table above shows the WV vaccination requirements for school pretty clearly. It looks like chicken pox is the only one that they accept proof of getting the actually disease. In MS, you can get titers for M,M, and R, too. WV does have the worst laws in the country.

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by FernG

http://www.wvimmunization.org/LinkCl...%3D&tabid=1639

The table above shows the WV vaccination requirements for school pretty clearly. It looks like chicken pox is the only one that they accept proof of getting the actually disease. In MS, you can get titers for M,M, and R, too. WV does have the worst laws in the country.

It's pretty irritating. I mean, last I checked, *I* make the decisions about my kids health. You know?

Ahh, I know I'm preaching to the choir. It's just a really frustrating situation to be in.

[Breathless Wonder]

Is there a specific reason for the rush to get them into public school? I mean, you have been homeschooling up until this point- why not take a little extra time and space things out if you really feel you need to do this?

[13Sandals]

DPT (2 doses so far)
Polio
Hep A
Hep B
MMR


in one day? and you don't think her suddenly throwing up has anything to do with this? thimerosal free pediatric vaccines means under 7 - so I'm guessing your daughter got full mercury in several of those shots. and 3 live viruses...in a weakened condition, it is pretty accepted that the M M or R can cause intestinal issues. sorry - but can you imagine what your daughter's immune system went through after that visit to the doc? even the so-called 'inactivated' shots cause an immune response...that's the point. so her body is responding, being forced to respond to 9 viruses at once, 3 live. So sure, the poster who said she might have picked up something at school - okay - sure - she is so overwhelmed by whats been injected into her that she may be at risk for ANYTHING else that comes her way... but to think her feeling ill has NOTHING to do with an overload of toxic materials and viruses being injected into her body is just denial.

[FernG]

Hep A isn't required

I just realized that your daughter got the Hep A vax. It looks like that one is definitely not required. Is there a reason that she got Hep A?

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by FernG

I just realized that your daughter got the Hep A vax. It looks like that one is definitely not required. Is there a reason that she got Hep A?

Nope, and I didn't realize it till they'd done it. I'm a little bugged by that now.

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by 13Sandals

DPT (2 doses so far)
Polio
Hep A
Hep B
MMR


in one day? and you don't think her suddenly throwing up has anything to do with this? thimerosal free pediatric vaccines means under 7 - so I'm guessing your daughter got full mercury in several of those shots. and 3 live viruses...in a weakened condition, it is pretty accepted that the M M or R can cause intestinal issues. sorry - but can you imagine what your daughter's immune system went through after that visit to the doc? even the so-called 'inactivated' shots cause an immune response...that's the point. so her body is responding, being forced to respond to 9 viruses at once, 3 live. So sure, the poster who said she might have picked up something at school - okay - sure - she is so overwhelmed by whats been injected into her that she may be at risk for ANYTHING else that comes her way... but to think her feeling ill has NOTHING to do with an overload of toxic materials and viruses being injected into her body is just denial.

I get what you're saying and I don't disagree, but I'm reading a tone in your post. I realize this is the internet, no body language to read, etc., and I may be wrong, but can we please not criticize me? Thanks. You have no idea, aside from this post, what I've gone through and how it's affected my family. You also don't have any idea of the internal struggle I'm going through. Why make it harder for me to deal with?

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by Breathless Wonder

Is there a specific reason for the rush to get them into public school? I mean, you have been homeschooling up until this point- why not take a little extra time and space things out if you really feel you need to do this?

Only that my son is desperately needing a more firm routine and I am not able to give him the routine he needs. (He has Asperger's syndrome. I am about as disorganized as you can imagine.) He also struggles and fights anything that requires him to do anything besides play legos. We've tried unschooling but I AM fearful that he isn't getting what he needs intellectually. We're going along with it still, but the fact that it's almost a certainty that he'll be vaxed is really looming and I think if we just get it done and be done with it, the better off we'll be. It'll be one less anxiety hanging over our heads. You know?

[Doodlebugsmom]

Originally Posted by HarperRose

In my state, it is required. All vaccines are required in West Virginia but if I delay vaxing for long enough, then they only need the following for school:

TB test
MMR
DPT (or whatever variation thereof)
Hep A
Hep B
Polio

That's weird. I'm in WV, and neither of my kids have ever had a TB test. They haven't had Hep A either. I'm not sure that it's required yet. I think our school nurse said they do anticipate it being required in the next few years, though. I hope your little ones are feeling better soon! I HATE not having the choice to not vax. It's been a real struggle for me too. Homeschooling just isn't an option for us.

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by Doodlebugsmom

That's weird. I'm in WV, and neither of my kids have ever had a TB test. They haven't had Hep A either. I'm not sure that it's required yet. I think our school nurse said they do anticipate it being required in the next few years, though. I hope your little ones are feeling better soon! I HATE not having the choice to not vax. It's been a real struggle for me too. Homeschooling just isn't an option for us.

I don't know why they had dd do the TB test, either. I guess because we're new across state lines? I'm grasping at straws.

Homeschooling is becoming less of an option for us, too.

[Doodlebugsmom]

Originally Posted by HarperRose

I don't know why they had dd do the TB test, either. I guess because we're new across state lines?

That's what I was thinking, but it's just so absurd!

[ZoeyZoo]

Originally Posted by HarperRose

I don't know why they had dd do the TB test, either. I guess because we're new across state lines? I'm grasping at straws.

Homeschooling is becoming less of an option for us, too.

I know here they want a TB test before starting school and for parents who volunteer. We are able to include it in our exemptions though in my state.

It's certainly possible this was caused by the vax. They recently vaxed people at my work for the inactivated flu vax. I know it's not the same but several people came down with stomach problems and one person had to go to the hospital for a stomach upset it was so bad.

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by ZoeyZoo

I know here they want a TB test before starting school and for parents who volunteer. We are able to include it in our exemptions though in my state.

It's certainly possible this was caused by the vax. They recently vaxed people at my work for the inactivated flu vax. I know it's not the same but several people came down with stomach problems and one person had to go to the hospital for a stomach upset it was so bad.

Ugh. Doesn't that figure? EVERY person I know that's gotten any version of flu vax has gotten horribly sick. I still suspect that the multiple shots in one day sent dd over the edge and set off the entire family getting this awful sickness.

I hate this decision. Absolutely can't stand it.

[HarperRose]

An update on Ds1, the one who stopped breathing at 6 mos:

He got his shots for school. We got 4 at once. It was the lesser evil, given our circumstances. His doctor prescribed ativan for him and he did GREAT. He only got upset the moment she had him sit down. Dh held him in his lap and I held his arms. It was very quick. We were out of there in probably 2 minutes. They were wonderful with him.

He only has 1 more MMR to get in January.

He had no reaction whatsoever. He didn't withdraw, he didn't get sick in any way, no headache, nothing. I was truly shocked.

It doesn't make me any less nervous, but I am glad the outcome was ok. He has been thriving in the few days he was in school. I am very glad he & dd are back in public school, though I do wish WV had exemptions, like TX does. *sigh*

We won't be vaxing the baby until he's of school age. They'll require fewer shots that way.

[morgainesmama]

Originally Posted by HarperRose

In my state, it is required. All vaccines are required in West Virginia but if I delay vaxing for long enough, then they only need the following for school:

TB test
MMR
DPT (or whatever variation thereof)
Hep A
Hep B
Polio

Sorry to be OT, but can you tell me (or PM me?) more about this? I'm having to vax my previously unvaccinated 10, 7, and 5yo and would like to do as little as possible.

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by morgainesmama

Sorry to be OT, but can you tell me (or PM me?) more about this? I'm having to vax my previously unvaccinated 10, 7, and 5yo and would like to do as little as possible.

Not OT at all, really. Glad to help. I'll PM you right now.