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Dog poop question (really really long)

post #1 of 9
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About a month ago I decided that I couldn't keep doing the "dog health food store food". I picked up my son at school and we did drive through McDonald's for dinner as it was the only way to feed him and get to the dog health food store before it closed -- I decide that this was a sign that my life and priorities needed to be adjusted, and that Lyle would just need to learn to eat something that they sell at Petsmart (which is open convenient hours, located conveniently, and where we have to go every couple of weeks to buy crickets for the frog). The health food store had stopped selling what I fed him (Canidae grain free) so we would have had to change anyway.

I picked Blue buffalo food because it seemed the highest protein, and thus closest to what he'd eaten before (he started on EVO, but found that Canidae agreed with him better -- he definitely prefers grain free, and won't each much of the other).

He loved the BB but within about a week he had an episode of kind of bloody diarrhea, so I went to the other health food pet store (thinking they'd have CGF, they didn't) and bought something called, I think, NOW. His system was back to normal the next day.

We ran out of the NOW and money was tight so I decided to try the rest of the bag of BB. He seemed to do really well, until today. I gave him the end of the bag, and came home with a new, bigger bag, to find more slightly bloody diarrhea in my room. There's grass in the diarrhea (not sure that's relevant).

So, now I guess I return the BB, except I don't have the receipt, and I don't now what else to buy at Petsmart for him to eat -- he's eaten Science Diet sensitive stomach at boarding and reportedly did OK. Should I try that? Should I take the BB to the health food store (they sell it too) and see if they'll trade it in for NOW, even though they didn't sell that bag? Or do I assume that the BB had nothing to do with it, and keep feeding him. I should mention that both days of diarrhea came right after a day of daycare, so maybe it's something from there instead?

Also, we're going skiing over Christmas, staying at my brother's and sending the dog to daycare during the day. It's a new place (since my brother lives 10 hours away) and they require a recent parasite test for the dog. Getting poop is hard right now as he poops in the backyard, in the dark late at night, so I'd be walking around in the freezing cold/dark with a flashlight watching him to see if he's pooping (and thereby missing bedtime for my kid), my neighborhood is not conducive to evening walks now that it's dark at night, due to high crime. I'm not willing to either bring my child on a walk in the dark, or to leave him home. This is a long way of saying that I'm wondering if I could take the diarrhea in for a parasite test. Will they become alarmed that it's slightly bloody and grassy (I'm not, I figure the new food will fix it)? Should I explain or just say "here's the poop I brought for parasite testing".

Or should I be worried, and figure out how to pay for a vet visit?
post #2 of 9
I think it's pretty normal to find a little blood/mucus in stools if the bowels are upset by a new food. I've had two dogs that both did this when a dog food did not agree with them. Grass is also pretty normal - my dogs would eat grass when their tummy was feeling upset.

The dog I have now has the most sensitive tummy on the planet - he gets bloody mucus stools after one feeding of most commerical foods. He does do well on Wellness CORE (not sure if that is sold at Petsmart, but it might be worth checking) but does the absolute best on raw. Raw is also much more convenient because it does not require an extra trip to a pet store - I can buy his food when I do our grocery shopping.

I'm sure people here can recommend foods for you if you don't want to try raw, but I can't recommend it enough for dogs with sensitive digestive systems.

Also, I would take in the stool sample you have handy and just explain that he had a reaction to a new food. Unless there is a ton of blood, I'm pretty sure they will understand it's not a huge concern.

Hope Lyle's tummy gets straightened out soon!
post #3 of 9
Have you looked into ordering dog food online? When I was researching the healthier brands, I found some really good deals with $5 or free shipping and it was cheaper than the store I would have to drive an hour to get to. Just an idea

As for the stool sample, I took in a runny one once and they found *nothing*. Then a different clinic had the dog for a few hours, he had diarrhea there as well and they found a high load of parasites. I don't know if it made a difference that the one I took in had been sitting outside for a couple hours or not.
post #4 of 9
Where will you be taking the sample for testing? I'm confused on that part...

If our vet needs a fecal sample for testing, he just puts on a glove and... procures the sample himself. Ahem. They only need a tiny bit.

A couple thoughts about the diahrea:

Our breeder is showing our dog, and after a dog show he will sometimes have a bit of diahrea. It's a combination of eating more treats, an exciting environment and an interruption in his normal feeding schedule. We have a supply of anti-diahrea meds that we use as needed, Tylosin (sp?). For your dog, the excitement/treats/etc. of daycare might be causing it, as you suspect.

When a dog has diahrea, the anal gland fluid will buildup as it is not being squeezed out by regular, firm stools. If you notice your dog straining as they are having diahrea, then what you think is blood might actually be anal gland fluid. I got really scared the first time I saw it because it looked like blood to me... but it actually wasn't. It appeared dark red/brownish.

If you have bright red blood in the stools, then I would be concerned and would go see the vet, because I think bright red blood is indicative of an active bleed (e.g. bleeding in the intestine?).... naturally after checking for any external/surface bleeding.
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Originally Posted by SophieAnn View Post
If you have bright red blood in the stools, then I would be concerned and would go see the vet, because I think bright red blood is indicative of an active bleed (e.g. bleeding in the intestine?).... naturally after checking for any external/surface bleeding.
I need to look this up now...I always thought brigh red was ok as its a surface bleed, but dark blood was internal.
post #6 of 9
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Thanks everyone,

I'm pretty sure it's the food causing this -- I stopped feeding it to him, and he hasn't had a second incidence -- he's reacted to a number of foods before, and reacted exactly the same way to the same food when we tried it a month ago.

I think it might be anal glad juice -- the poop is very liquidy, and it was on a floor that is painted red, and I think at least a few hours old when I came home, all of which makes it harder to investigate, but there were "strings" of red muscousy stuff in it -- I assumed it was mucous mixed with blood could that be anal gland juice? I'd like to think so.

As for the vet getting the stuff, if I bring him in I'd have to pay for an appointment -- he isn't sick (well, he has the diarrhea, but I don't think he's actually sick) he just needs a statement that he's free of parasites so he can stay at this daycare. So, I'd rather bring my own and pay for the testing.

My immediate question is what to buy next. I will return the Blue Wilderness stuff to Petsmart, and will probably end up with store credit, so I'd really rather buy something there. He had no dinner (I usually fast him after he's sick) and then eggs, rice, and peas for breakfast so I really need to get him some dog food.
post #7 of 9
Hmm, we had anal gland issues before and it wasn't red at all. Also, it had a very distinctive smell to it that I'd describe as "rotten fish", you can't miss it.

In general both the bright blood in the stool and mucous indicate irritated intestines. I kind of doubt that it would be parasites, I agree with you that it sounds like a direct result of a food that is not agreeing with him. BTW I've found that for my dogs a 24 hr fast is the fastest way to ease any tummy upsets. Trying to feed them even a small amount of bland-type food just seems to keep the diarrhea going, while a fast seems to let the digestive tract focus on healing itself.

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Originally Posted by greenmagick View Post
I need to look this up now...I always thought brigh red was ok as its a surface bleed, but dark blood was internal.
I agree with you - bright blood is better than dark (i.e. digested) blood. As long as it's not a large amount of course.
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by Ola_ View Post
Hmm, we had anal gland issues before and it wasn't red at all. Also, it had a very distinctive smell to it that I'd describe as "rotten fish", you can't miss it.

In general both the bright blood in the stool and mucous indicate irritated intestines. I kind of doubt that it would be parasites, I agree with you that it sounds like a direct result of a food that is not agreeing with him. BTW I've found that for my dogs a 24 hr fast is the fastest way to ease any tummy upsets. Trying to feed them even a small amount of bland-type food just seems to keep the diarrhea going, while a fast seems to let the digestive tract focus on healing itself.



I agree with you - bright blood is better than dark (i.e. digested) blood. As long as it's not a large amount of course.
I guess what I meant to say was that if it was bright red then it is definitely blood... but if it is dark brown (redish brown) it might be anal gland fluid and not blood at all. With my dog the anal gland fluid is reddish brown (more brown than red), dark, like menstrual blood can be near the end of your period.

Our vet wouldn't charge for procuring a sample, because it isn't an exam - they'd only charge for lab fees.

Hope the test is clear.
post #9 of 9
As far as the fecal testing, I asked our vet if I could collect the sample the day before coming in because I didn't think my dog would poop before the appointment. The vet said that was no problem. If I were you, I'd take him out on a leash during his normal pooping time and collect it into a ziploc bag to take to the vet the next day. Definitely check with your vet to make sure it's okay, though!
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