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38wks, try natural induction techniques? (prolonged prodromal labor) update post #6

post #1 of 10
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I'm 38w1d, and have been having hard prodromal labor for the past couple of days, not resulting in any change of my cervix (cervix is already pretty effaced, very soft, and I know that the outer OS at least is 1cm as I can't reach the rest.. again I know all of this means nothing but I figured I'd include it). I've got a posterior babe.

With my DD, I had hard prodromal labor much like this but less severe from 40wks on until I was induced at 41w2d by my induction happy OB. DD was also posterior. That was 9 days of prodromal labor, apparently hard contractions because when I went in for my induction the nurse was shocked that I was contracting that hard.

Currently I've been having contractions, regular ones, but they don't keep up, they just keep reoccuring. Usually around 7mis apart. I'm also having terrible (ok, that's an understatement ) back pain and cramping. No loss of plug and no bloody show or mucous.

Baby's head is not engaged, baby is posterior and I suspect her head won't engage until active labor anyhow. I have no intention of trying to turn her though I may give it one last try during active labor.

I'm just wondering- since my body is already gearing up for labor, I believe baby is ready. I think that my prolonged prodromal labor (and history of) is due to the fact that I have posterior babies.

Is there anything that I can do to make things more effective? Would you try natural induction techniques? Is there anything that can help me speed the prodromal labor up (which I believe would otherwise be shorter if I didn't have posterior babies)? I'm already doing EPO orally & vaginally & RRLT.

I'm UCing not UPing, my midwife wants to strip my membranes on Monday (I discussed this with her but it wasn't as severe as it is now and it was just the onset of it).

TIA everyone
post #2 of 10
It sounds like labor may start on it's own if baby gets him/herself turned around a little bit. Have you seen a chiropractor or tried spinning babies? I would probably focus on turning baby. Then, if labor happens, you know they were ready and just needed a better position. If labor doesn't start and baby moves themselves back around, maybe they aren't quite ready yet.
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I was doing SpinningBabies techniques and a few from my midwife rather religiously and they just don't work- didn't with DD either. I've had anterior placentas and baby just isn't comfy turned and really just wont turn.

It is just so frustrating, but all prodromal labor is- isn't it? It's tough- I've got a 2yo, I'm in so much pain that I can't really do anything. I can't sleep or get any real beneficial rest, I can't stay asleep for longer than a little while. Relaxing doesn't work- I took a nice warm bath for two hours last night and it did SQUAT. in fact, after I got out of the tub, things were worse and I didn't sleep. I had to go grocery shopping with my husband today and it was near impossible to run around the store or even think straight about what I need to get. I wish I were somewhat closer to 40wks because I'd feel a ton better, for some reasno. I've never had an even remotely natural labor or birth so I don't know what's normal for me other than really long prodromal labor.
post #4 of 10
you could try acupuncture. i had it done at the end of my pregnancy...a few hours later, i had a baby in my arms. i went to community chiropractic on belmont and southport. as far as posterior babies go, some women's babies are always posterior. all of my moms babies came out face up. i think some women just deliver that way no matter how much they try to get them to turn! hang in there mama! i have a feeling you will be in heavy labor pretty soon.
post #5 of 10
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Thanks scottishmommy, I might check out some specialists.. I think that it might also benefit me in the way that I'm in so much pain as far as my hips go, and that's been the case most of my pregnancy, and I attribute it to baby's position.

I began to get excited because the pain let up- for the first time- in the shower a bit earlier (after I posted this). Usually nothing works for relaxation, but hubby & I were in there and had planned to DTD. We fooled around a bit but our water heater ended up conking out.. so we got out. Guess what? As soon as the water is off, I get hit with a contraction and the back pain and the cramping. And it hasn't let up. So we ended up not DTD because I'm in so much pain I've even laid off the RRLT a bit and my ctx and uterus are still kickin'. *sigh* sorry if it seems like I'm just whining- I really hope labor is around the corner.
post #6 of 10
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Good morning. Well, I hardly slept last night, the longest increment was probably a half an hour and aside from that nothing was longer than 15 minutes, though it's not like I was wide awake.

I decided to get up when I felt it was a "reasonable hour", 6am. My back pain and cramping are still severe, and I was waking up during what I suspect were contractions last night. There was this weird edge of pain to them and I'm still having them. I'm not really timing them but they seem regular. I just don't prefer to get out of a comfortable position to press on my belly and see if it's tight or not- otherwise I can't really tell because of my general crampiness and back pain. I feel one coming on now though, actually.

This is frustrating because hubby is going to work and now I fear that this is going to turn into active labor while he's at work.. not to mention I think that MIL has a baby shower planned for me today (granted, she's right upstairs so I could come down any time I needed to).

Just updating. Thanks.
post #7 of 10
This is going to be long, Windycity....but I hope you will read it all. I've been reading your numerous posts here and elsewhere, and as UC mama and mw both, I think you need to hear this stuff! (of course I do, or I wouldn't take the time to say it!)

The first thing to clearly understand is that just because you are having prodromal labor does NOT mean that your baby is ready.

The 2nd thing to understand is that your baby being malpositioned is NOT the reason that active labor has not started.

To explain the 2nd thing more: even when babies are transverse or oblique, mamas still go into active labor when it's time. There is a belief among many careproviders that malpositioning prevents active labor--a belief that only when the presenting part is putting direct pressure on the cervix will labor become active and effective for helping bring on dilation. This is a myth. I have seen several active labors now, where baby was nowhere near the cervix--either transverse, oblique, or in 'good enough LOA position' but simply riding high and not placing any pressure on the cervix. Not only did active labor initiate, it also caused highly effective dilation (not taking long to bring on dilation--even to fully dilated-- I mean).

Bringing this all back to the first point: the onset of active labor is the result of a mutual biochemical dance between mother and baby. Mom's body ramps up toward labor by producing more oxytocin for more contrax during the later part of pregnancy....for some moms this means quite significant bouts of labor that always stop (tho some don't notice it so much). But the baby doesn't really participate so much until baby IS ready, and then begins to send out other biochemical signals which act as a 'go' signal for mom's body--once baby's signals are strong enough, mom finally 'goes into real labor', her oxytocin levels climb higher and do not recede until after baby is out.

At 38wks, I have my doubts that your baby is ready. If your baby were ready, you would be in active labor by now, plain and simple. What is happening now (apart from your pain) is that you and baby are starting the early stages of your birth dance. Your contrax are helping your cervix to efface and open, while also massaging the baby and giving baby some 'practice' for managing active labor. It could be considered 'labor by installments' which is bringing slow progress that in an important way is best for you and baby both. This is very normal and predictable for most moms who've already had at least one other baby. But your body is very wisely NOT going into active labor yet, because it is NOT receiving the proper signals from baby yet, the signals which tell your body surely that baby IS NOW READY to be born.

Now, there is the matter of your pain, which is something anyone would want over with! That kind of pain can make this prodromal phase so hard to deal with--and I can see why you would want to believe that your baby is ready and it may be perfectly safe to try to induce yourself by various 'natural' means. But at 38wks, it is not really natural at all to induce labor; it may be a good enough decision for 'medical reasons' and perhaps your pain is reason enough, even if baby is doing fine in there. I just want to you clearly understand that you are NOT YET getting any signals at all that your baby is ready! And in this era of the induction epidemic, we now have plenty of evidence to show that induction this early has also caused an epidemic of 'late term premies'--and I am guessing that you would not want to UC, only to have to transport the baby for breathing or suck issues caused by your choice to induce.

It sounds as if you may have a hypermobile pelvis, and this is causing poor alignment of the pelvic bones/lower spine--thus all the pain. All women produce relaxin during pregnancy to soften the pelvic joints in order to make baby's passage easier. In your case, it is a case of 'too much'--your pelvis is too unstable, this occurs for some women and it can be quite painful. My suggestion is that you do all in your power to address the pain, and the source of the pain. Chiropractic adjustment can help very much in bringing better alignment--and then continuously wearing a pelvic support belt will help hold things in place for the remainder of your pregnancy (and beyond, til your hormones change again and your pelvis re-stabilizes). Getting adjusted a few times in one week might be needed, to get your pelvis settled well--and that may also bring your baby into more favorable position.

You might also start using more active pain management techniques to reduce the pain and make sleep and daily functioning more comfortable. This is important of course--you don't want to be all worn out by the time active labor hits, and then you have a baby AND a toddler to care for! Some herbs and homeopathics may help--or even a dose of benedryl at bedtime, or a glass of wine.

Some women's pelvic type/shape makes it simply easiest for baby to enter the pelvis in a posterior position. I don't think it likely has all that much to do with the placenta at this point (not to entirely rule that out). It could be that the shape inside your pelvis, the shape that makes OP most comfy for baby, is the result of that hypermobility/misalignment--and if so, then adjustment and wearing a belt will change things so that your baby adjusts appropriately. But it could be more about the natural shape/type of pelvis you have, which cannot be 'fixed' and doesn't need to be (tho adjustment and belt will still help!).

I know it probably seems that induction now would 'solve the problem'--I just caution you that 'for every action there is an equal and opposite REaction'....inducing now could well bring on OTHER problems for you/baby. I would not even consent to membrane stripping.

You say you plan to UC....but I think you may be missing the fundamental, core reason for UC: trust. Trust in yourself, your body, your baby and in BIRTH. I know you are in pain, and that can make anyone crazy! Yet I urge you to stop, quiet yourself, and really consider what you want, what you are really comfortable with. I don't see that you are preparing yourself for a UC....I see you pushing yourself closer to a managed birth. Partly, that is because you are still referring to your mw as an Authority, you are still depending on her skills and management. Any way you really most truly desire to give birth is ok, perfectly OK! And if you really want UC, well find your trust. Take charge of your trust, and take charge of all that you do (and all that you choose to avoid doing)--and remember, sometimes 'taking charge' means 'keeping your peace and doing NOTHING AT ALL but trusting, relaxing, allowing, INSTEAD of actively taking charge of things'.

Take charge first of all of your trust, and your peace of mind--and know that that is the main thing to 'do' toward healthy UC. Trust is the one thing we UC mamas DO most actively---which, when that trust is strong, most often means that we are doing *nothing else* to try to 'be in charge' of birth. There are exceptions, of course...sometimes trust demands some form of remedial action in a given situation....but in your case, I think the 'remedy' needs to be fixing the pelvis as best as possible, learning how to deal more effectively with the pain, and most of all finding your trust!

Just my usual rambling opinion, offered lovingly toward your best possible, healthiest and most empowered birth experience
post #8 of 10
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Thank you MsBlack, I do appreciate it, really I do. I'm going to print that out and keep it with me.

I think you're totally right, and I think my pain and lack of sleep and rest is getting to me, causing me to think all of these irrational thoughts because i totally see the logic behind what you're saying. It's just hard to imagine being in this much pain and not even being in active labor yet, though I do feel as if I'm getting closer and closer.

I do need to stop viewing my midwives as authority- I try not to see it as that, but I can see where it can be interpreted that way and perhaps I am doing it a little bit. It is just nice for me to be able to actually call someone up on the phone, have a chat, have someone physical there for me that is kind of a 3rd party, much like you all. I understood this a bit more when I called today and asked if she had any insight into this. She just gave me a bunch more tips on how to get baby better positioned. I can't even count the hours I've spent on my hands and knees, doing pelivic tilts, or doing some other type of acrobatics trying to see if baby could be nudged into an anterior position. She was also convinced that I'm not contracting and decided to explain the difference between BH and real labor. At that point I told her I needed to go and get off the phone- no way was I going to listen to her draw the line between the contractions I'm having and her textbook definitions. What good would that do? I called for support, and realized in that phone call (and in the previous post from MsBlack) that the only support and trust that I need is within myself (and within my husband as well, but not the same kind of support, kwim?). They only person that will get me through this is myself, I can't let my mind wander and take hold of me, I've got to keep it in check. I've really got to keep my pain managed though.. for sanity's sake. Not very much seems to work though, and whatever does work is short lived.

On a brighter note, I'm losing some more mucous, so my cervix is probably doing some work- happy to know that the contractions are working at that.. it puts my mind at ease a little and makes this all a bit more bearable.
post #9 of 10
Glad that you could hear me in the spirit intended!

Yes, being in pain totally sucks. What's worse is that being in pain, and losing sleep over it, totally makes the prodromal more fierce I think. So, do what you can for that, hopefully you'll find some things that help you get more comfortable--and may help the prodromal back off a bit, too.

Any chance of getting some help with you dd in the afternoons, so you can nap? Sometimes mamas can catch up on sleep during the day, when contrax keep you up all night. Don't be afraid to ask for babysitting assistance if at all possible! You need your sleep so much.

And by the way, even for a UC mama, I don't see any problem or contradiction at all in needing/wanting some support. I always had my girlfriends around to talk to/whine on....the problem is that your mw is 'the expert', and can't really give you the kind of basic emotional support you're probably looking for--she is paid to 'be right', to 'give answers', all that. Sounds like you're starting to see the diff between what you want/need, and what her limitations are. FOr most of us, esp if we've birthed in the hospital before, 'getting to uc' is a process.

You go!
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