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post #1 of 21
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Does anyone know about this program? Have you used it? What do you think?

I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old and I am considering ordering the preschool curriculum.

Let me know if you have any experience with it!
post #2 of 21
we used MBTP last year with my dd. we used the 5-7 concept. i loved the curriculum, but it was too easy for my dd. i think i just ordered the wrong level though. anyway, i sold it and we've moved on because it's too expensive. for preschool, i'd personally just buy peak with books and not the whole package from MBTP. you can find peak with books fairly cheap used at amazon.com. hth.
post #3 of 21
I've never used it, but have heard great things about it. We might try it next year.
post #4 of 21
We have some concepts from MBTP that we enjoy using. It's the 9-11 stuff I think. I've picked up stuff we are interested in used.

I don't know anything about the preschool package though...We didn't do anything that looked like preschool. We just play at that age.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by elizawill View Post
we used MBTP last year with my dd. we used the 5-7 concept. i loved the curriculum, but it was too easy for my dd. .


I used the Age 7-9 Language Arts Package for DD (8). She is bright, but definitely not gifted. It was way too easy.
post #6 of 21
MBTP use Peak With Books as their "pre-k" program??


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For preschool, we offer a literature-based interdisciplinary curriculum package called Peak With Books .

At this age, literature can provide a great springboard into numerous areas of study. Children using these two programs will learn reading, writing, science, math, colors, letters and social studies and will have opportunities to explore drama, music and art.

This program will be a fantastic preparation for any school program, and is especially well suited as preparation for the Age 5-7 Moving Beyond the Page curriculum. We feel that Peak With Books provides the most complementary preschool curriculum to Moving Beyond the Page available.
We are starting PWB after the first of the year -- we will use it as a spine for a pre-k 4/5 program ...

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Peak with Books is an exciting, literature-rich preschool program that will engage children and will encourage a love of learning. It includes simple, easy-to-do activities and projects for 42 great books that every parent can share with their child to make learning a stress free and fun time. This curriculum will pave the way for years of future learning.

It has been shown that children who engage in frequent conversations with adults achieve a higher level of success in their early school years. Peak With Books will give you the opportunity not only to read and talk to your child, but also to listen to his ideas, opinions and feelings. Peak With Books will provide you with an opportunity to share great books with your child and engage in relevant projects to stimulate learning.

Peak with Books is not designed especially for gifted children, but we do believe that it is much more advanced than most preschool curricula on the market. Also, many of the researched best practices used in Peak with Books are supported and suggested in the field of gifted education. Peak with Books is designed to use with preschool and kindergarten children in a classroom setting.

Although not written specifically for homeschoolers, we feel that any parent can easily tailor the curriculum to working with a child in one-on-one instruction at home. We provide a handout that outlines ideas for homeschooling with Peak With Books. We know that many homeschooling parents are looking for the best educational practices in the curriculum they select and one that is written by experts in the field of education. This is what they will find in Peak with Books.

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Peak With Books provides activities that clarify and expand a child's understanding of the 42 stories covered in the manual. Activities are easy to implement. Moving Beyond the Page provides a separate handout that outline ways to modify the curriculum for use at home. At Moving Beyond the Page we suggest taking a “thematic” approach to the recommended literature in Peak with Books. This will make the stories and information more meaningful and will allow your child to draw connections among books and characters. This will also prepare her to begin thinking about the “big ideas” or concepts, which are very important in the following years of Moving Beyond the Page.
We have divided the books up into the following thematic units:

Family and Friends (Relationships) (7 weeks)
Animal Stories (Living Things) (8 weeks)
Numbers, Colors and Letters (Basics) (7 weeks)
Stories of People and Places (Diversity) (6 weeks)
Rhyming Books and Traditional Tales (Classics) (8 Weeks)
We have suggested 36 books, one for each week of the school year. Before beginning on Monday, look through the literature unit and decide which activities you will implement on each day of the week. We recommend reading the book every day of the week. The activities in each unit are not divided into days of the week, which gives you the freedom to decide which days you want to implement the different activities.

Our suggested “schedule” is as follows:

Monday – Setting the Stage, First Reading, and Getting Involved,
Tuesday – A Closer Look, Story Time Extension, and Poetry,
Wednesday – Involvement(1-2 Activities), Integration (1 Activity),
Thursday – Integration (2-3 Activities),
Friday – Continue Integration (1-2 Activities) and Everyday Learning Activities (2-3 Activities)
I did a lot of searches here and around and decided PWB sounds a lot better than before five in a row (even though we may use BFIAR in 2 years when Theo is offically in Kinder and Charles is pre-K 4/5 and we want something new)

MBTP does have a 'packarge' for PWB and a guide -- i wish you could buy the guide alone -- with out all the books -- but i have yet to find where you can do that.

i will not ber buying the package from MBTP -- just teh book from Amazon.com.

We have a bunch of the books already, AND i can't spend that kinda of $$.
post #7 of 21
I was extremely underwhelmed. I bought two units to use with my fifth grader and did not find them particularly innovative, creative, or advanced.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by annettemarie View Post
I was extremely underwhelmed. I bought two units to use with my fifth grader and did not find them particularly innovative, creative, or advanced.
Same here. I bought a unit for my non-advanced 7yo; I bought the 7-9 package? and it was wayyy too easy, kind of boring and chock full of mistakes and typos. There's no way this would be for gifted kids, the 7-9yo package would have worked for my gifted 4yo except for the writing parts.
post #9 of 21
My (suspected) gifted 3.5 year old is working through the 5-7 Environment Concept and doing very well with it. I couldn't imagine her doing it as a 5 year old though (the 5-7 concepts). I don't think their age recommendations are accurate. A gifted 5 year old should be beyond a 6 year old level, imo.

I think it's expensive, for one thing. And it's secular, so even if I liked it enough to buy it again, I wouldn't because of the content in the later years.

BUT...on a positive note, dd is enjoying learning about habitats and I took it a step farther than the lessons plans - I made a poster board with every habitat on it and we are making animals/plants from each habitat. They just have you pick your favorite habitat and make an animal. When we are done with the poster board, I have this plastic snail and we are going to research and build him a habitat in a shoe box. (not in the lesson plans).

I think MBTP is a like/dislike curriculum. I like it but won't buy it again.
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well, the secular part is why I would like it. But I don't know... my 4 year old and two year old are gifted and that was one reason I liked the description.

Sigh... I might order some of them to see. But maybe go with the 5-7 year old curriculum for my 4 year old to start. We already have all the books for PWB... I have kind of been doing that on my own. He's way past the stuff I have been doing and is reading and writing... so maybe the 5-7 would be the way to go.

As a certified teacher, I just find it kind of hard to just "go" with out any set curriculum, you know? Any other suggestions?
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by mom0810 View Post
As a certified teacher, I just find it kind of hard to just "go" with out any set curriculum, you know? Any other suggestions?
Let me get back to you later on...I'm not at home so I don't have access to all my little bookmarks and such. I did recently buy a homeschooling book called "Creative Homeschooling: A Resource Guide for Smart Families" by Lisa Rivero. I was hoping for more of a "how to" but it was full of ideas on learning styles, tailoring curriculum to gifted children, etc.

But I can get back to you later on some other resources including some workbooks I just bought for my dd that seem to really cause kids to problem solve and think. I think the company is called Flash Kids but I don't think they have a website...you can find their books at Barnes & Noble and Amazon.com.

Also I found there's not much of a difference between "gifted" materials and non gifted materials except the gifted stuff may have less repetition.
post #12 of 21
There was a thread on another homeschooling board where it seemed the majority of the people who have used MBTP were underwhelmed, and it looks like a few here were too. I carefully read these posts, as I thought MBTP looked creative and was for gifted children. But what I read was that it was not creative (just workbooks), was slow-paced, and definitely not what they expected. I'm just repeating what was said that stuck in my mind, enough for me to never consider it.
post #13 of 21
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post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by mom0810 View Post
As a certified teacher, I just find it kind of hard to just "go" with out any set curriculum, you know? Any other suggestions?
I'm not sure what grades you taught, but I taught high school. When I stepped back and looked at my best lessons, they met an objective but they weren't lessons supplied by the curriculum. I may have gone completely on my own or pulled resource materials from somewhere else. So really, you just need objectives. Core Knowledge puts out K-8 Scope & Sequence and you can teach it without buying anything more than the "What Your X Grader Needs to Know" books for lots of help and then going it on your own. They DID put out a Pre-K curriculum and WYXGNtK book but I don't know if they have redone their Scope & Sequence book to incorporate Pre-K.

We have MBTP with a mildly gifted 5yo. It's definitely under his ability in many ways; but we also weren't looking to push academics on him this early--so it's really just kind of perfect for us. That with Saxon Math (he enjoys and craves math) and tons of activities that we find "learning" in.

I was drawn to Core Knowledge initially because it appealed to my "teacher-planner" side; but we spent the 4yo year figuring out curriculum and CK as a curriculum was seriously OVERWHELMING. I even got the day-by-day planner for pacing and so help me, your kid would be "schooling" ALL DAY to cover all that they've laid out. But I do like having the scope & sequence and I have the K teacher's guide which I think is helpful for "teaching the teacher" on the things that need to be covered each year and really helping you understand all of it so that you can find teachable moments vs. sitting down and teaching.
post #15 of 21
We used it. I didn't like MBTP but I did like the PWB set enough to recommend it. Just find something else for kindergarten instead of doing their 5-7 set.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by ALittleBitCrunchy View Post
We used it. I didn't like MBTP but I did like the PWB set enough to recommend it. Just find something else for kindergarten instead of doing their 5-7 set.
I am glad to hear you liked PWB -- i am hopeing to start that in Jan with my 4 yo
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by heatherdeg View Post
I'm not sure what grades you taught, but I taught high school. When I stepped back and looked at my best lessons, they met an objective but they weren't lessons supplied by the curriculum. I may have gone completely on my own or pulled resource materials from somewhere else. So really, you just need objectives. Core Knowledge puts out K-8 Scope & Sequence and you can teach it without buying anything more than the "What Your X Grader Needs to Know" books for lots of help and then going it on your own. They DID put out a Pre-K curriculum and WYXGNtK book but I don't know if they have redone their Scope & Sequence book to incorporate Pre-K.

We have MBTP with a mildly gifted 5yo. It's definitely under his ability in many ways; but we also weren't looking to push academics on him this early--so it's really just kind of perfect for us. That with Saxon Math (he enjoys and craves math) and tons of activities that we find "learning" in.

I was drawn to Core Knowledge initially because it appealed to my "teacher-planner" side; but we spent the 4yo year figuring out curriculum and CK as a curriculum was seriously OVERWHELMING. I even got the day-by-day planner for pacing and so help me, your kid would be "schooling" ALL DAY to cover all that they've laid out. But I do like having the scope & sequence and I have the K teacher's guide which I think is helpful for "teaching the teacher" on the things that need to be covered each year and really helping you understand all of it so that you can find teachable moments vs. sitting down and teaching.
by the scope and sequence and the K Teacher's guide -- do you mean having the book

What Your Kindergartner Needs to Know: Preparing Your Child for a Lifetime of Learning (Core Knowledge Series) by E. D. Hirsch Jr.

or os there another teacher's Guid? that you are refering to?

I had What Your Preschooler Needs to Know: Get Ready for Kindergarten (Core Knowledge)
by Core Knowledge Foundation
and was underimpressed -- just a bunch of stories and poem and so on .. nice enough, but no goals or objectives really

Aimee
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Momma Aimee View Post
by the scope and sequence and the K Teacher's guide -- do you mean having the book

What Your Kindergartner Needs to Know: Preparing Your Child for a Lifetime of Learning (Core Knowledge Series) by E. D. Hirsch Jr.

or os there another teacher's Guid? that you are refering to?

I had What Your Preschooler Needs to Know: Get Ready for Kindergarten (Core Knowledge)
by Core Knowledge Foundation
and was underimpressed -- just a bunch of stories and poem and so on .. nice enough, but no goals or objectives really

Aimee
No... there's a separate book called the K-8 Sequence and the Teacher's Manual (one book per grade level). The K one is easily 1 to 1-1/2" thick.

The "What Your X Grader Needs to Know" series is Core Knowledge EXTREMELY LIGHT... which is why I went that route. The actual curriculum was too much, IMO. WAY too much.

The Teachers Guide is literally teaching you the content and the rationale behind teaching the kids this topic at this point. It won't tell you how to teach. One of CK's blessings and curses is that it let's you decide HOW to teach a topic. There are plenty of lesson plans available online for free (Baltimore and Colorado have districts using CK and their lessons are online for free) but it was just way more academics than we intended to introduce at this age (or under 7yo).
post #19 of 21
heather -- thanks soooo very much I'd never seen any of that before
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by kgianforti View Post
...I did recently buy a homeschooling book called "Creative Homeschooling: A Resource Guide for Smart Families" by Lisa Rivero. I was hoping for more of a "how to" but it was full of ideas on learning styles, tailoring curriculum to gifted children, etc...
You might want to take a look at the book Homeschooling Your Gifted Child if you are looking for actual lesson plans, exercises, and projects. It is really primarily focused on language arts and middle school aged kids (so not for the preschool kiddos), but it is a good book with good ideas. You can find it fairly inexpensively on Amazon. I'd link it for you but the cookies on my laptop keep tagging it as if the referral came through my website and I don't want to get myself in trouble ! Just search Amazon by the title and it is easy to find, though.
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