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post #1 of 19
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Hi All-

I have a long story, but I'll cut straight to my questions I feel drawn to Catholicism in many ways, but it would be a HUGE departure from the church I grew up in, and even the church I currently attend (Episcopal). Basically, I want to know:
How can I accept the idea of a Pope, someone who is "closer to God" than I am? This is very hard for me to get...
How can I get past the idea that women can't serve as priests, and that priests should be celibate? I don't see why these things must be...
I am: pro-gay rights/marriage, pro-choice...can I still be a Catholic?

And finally, where do I begin to read about the church, and how does one "become" a Catholic?
Thanks for your help. I am SHOCKED to find myself considering this!

Angela
post #2 of 19
The Catholic Church uses a 9 month long series of classes to complete the conversion process to become Catholic called RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation). It ends with an Easter Confirmation. People who are still unsure about the decision to become Catholic are welcome to joining RCIA. When I went through the courses with my husband (he converted from Methodist) there was no pressure to complete the conversion process if you were not ready, decided the Catholic Church wasn't for you, or wanted to continue your journey to a decision and weren't quite ready yet.

So I would just call your local Catholic Parish. Ask them about setting up some time to meet with a priest, who could answer some basic questions for you and help you decide if you'd like to pursue you interest in the Catholic faith through RCIA classes.
post #3 of 19
I did the RCIA course about 15 years ago. I really enjoyed it, even if I didn't end up converting. You can call your local parish and inquire about it.

Another book that might be of interest is Ed Dobson's "The Year of Living Like Jesus." (Available at your library most likely). He doesn't really live like Jesus completely.. but incorporates some Catholic and Orthodox practices... and through it.. as a lifelong Protestant... finds some answers regarding the rosary, icons, etc. that you might find helpful.

There are gay Catholics and pro gay-rights Catholics. There are Catholics who think women should be allowed to serve.... and that priests should be allowed to marry. But, as the Episcopal church seems to have all of these, I'm wondering why you're drawn to Catholicism? (I guess I've known more Catholics to become Episcopalian because of those issues.) Do you know what draws you? Is there perhaps a different Anglican/Episcopal church that would meet your needs?

Good luck on your path. Have you thought about speaking with a Priest or attending Mass?
post #4 of 19
While umsami is correct in that many Catholics personally disagree with the Catholic church's position on a woman's right to choose and gay marriage, the institution is unequivocal and it spends considerable time and money fighting these issues. So you may want to think about how you'd feel financially supporting these political activities as a member of the Church.

I would also agree that it might be worth investigating the Episcopal Church.
post #5 of 19
It would be dishonest and inappropriate to become Catholic while holding those opinions, but RCIA is a great place to start. If you approach it honestly, you never know where you'll end up by the time the series is done. Either way you'll have the information you need.

Oh and the Pope is not closer to God necessarily than anyone else - its more a combination of your own perseverance & sacrifice, as well as God's favor that makes a person holy and close to God. We won't know all the details until the Last Judgement, but no one would say that the Pope is the closer to God than anyone else on earth.
post #6 of 19
I guess first I'd probably do some serious soul searching to find out why you are drawn to a faith where you disagree with most of the tenets of the faith (and for the record, I doubt that it's true that "many" Catholics disagree with the church's anti-abortion stance...it's one of the most important aspects of the faith).

Is it the traditions and ceremonies? The sacraments? The liturgy? Is there a church that has these that are more in line with your moral stance? If the answer is no, and you're really drawn to the Catholic faith, I'd go through RCIA as a starting point. It may cause you to rethink your moral stance, or it may cause you to rethink whether you actually want to be Catholic.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by angelak2008 View Post
Hi All-

I have a long story, but I'll cut straight to my questions I feel drawn to Catholicism in many ways, but it would be a HUGE departure from the church I grew up in, and even the church I currently attend (Episcopal). Basically, I want to know:
How can I accept the idea of a Pope, someone who is "closer to God" than I am? This is very hard for me to get...
How can I get past the idea that women can't serve as priests, and that priests should be celibate? I don't see why these things must be...
I am: pro-gay rights/marriage, pro-choice...can I still be a Catholic?

And finally, where do I begin to read about the church, and how does one "become" a Catholic?
Thanks for your help. I am SHOCKED to find myself considering this!

Angela
In the case of the Pope - it isn't really that he is supposed to be "closer to God" especially on a personal level. Rather, the teaching is more that when Christ founded the Church, he left it with a certain political/hierarchical structure. THere are different offices with different functions. The office of the Pope, according to the CC, has certain powers and responsibilities, because God has given them to that office. They are specific, and limited.

In a way you could compare it to a monarch. Since I am Canadian, my head of state is Elizabeth II. Now, before she was queen, she had every right to have whatever personal views she chose, she could do what she liked, etc. But once she became Queen, she took on a kind of second personality. As queen, she isn't a citizen, can't vote, and cannot express political views. Of course she still has them, but she must subsume them into her office.

The Pope is in some ways similar. He is not as an individual closer to God (except in the way one person might be rather than another) but in his office as Pope he has powers that an individual does not have.

As far as women as priests - the first thing I would say is - well, God could certainly stipulate that if he wanted to. Secondly, the Church teaches that sexual differences are a part of the way men and women were made from the beginning, even before the Fall. (Some religions do not teach this which leads them in another direction.) Thirdly, the way the Church understands being a priest is not like being an airline pilot, it is like being a mother. And finally, the strongest and most important arguments about why women can't be priests come from the nature of the priesthood, and the way in which the priest represents Christ. It is also the most seldom seen argument and the most difficult. If you want to look into it, you will have to find a Catholic text on the nature of the priesthood as a place to start.

The Church does not actually teach that priests cannot be married - in fact there have been times when they did accept married men to the priesthood, and it is still done in the Eastern Catholic churches. But normally in the West this is not done, because it is felt that it is better for priests to be unmarried. Not required as a matter of necessity, but practically speaking preferable. It is quite possible as a Catholic to disagree with this, although you would still have to accept that it was the decision of the authorities, for now at least.

As for pro-choice - that is non-negotiable. THe Church does not differentiate between the value of souls, all are considered equally precious. On what grounds could it possibly do so, given that it believes that Christ died for all? WE are called to love like Christ. And the general belief is that the soul is present from conception (which is based on an Aristotelian or Thomistic understanding of form and matter, if you are interested. All things which exist must have a form - that is what makes them what they are. The form of a living thing is a soul. Thus, even a zygote has a soul, though much of it's nature is potential rather than actual at that point.)

THe gay thing - well, it really depends on what you mean by pro-gay and pro gay rights. But the CC does not support gay marriage. I mentioned above that the Church teaches that sexuality, maleness and femaleness, is an innate and god-created part of us. Sometimes it is not expressed in the usual way, as with other biologically based aspects of humanity. But marriage, which was created by God, was made specifically to include a man and a woman. So to marry two people of the same sex is simply seen as impossible. But this is a difficult idea to discuss in our culture because our cultural understanding of marriage is not really that close to the Catholic understanding, (or even in many other religions.)
post #8 of 19
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Thirdly, the way the Church understands being a priest is not like being an airline pilot, it is like being a mother. And finally, the strongest and most important arguments about why women can't be priests come from the nature of the priesthood, and the way in which the priest represents Christ. It is also the most seldom seen argument and the most difficult. If you want to look into it, you will have to find a Catholic text on the nature of the priesthood as a place to start.
Lots of good info in this post, but I have to point out that we ALL represent Christ through baptism. Great book regarding this and other points about our relationship with the trinity. Spiritual Secrets of a Trappist Monk by Father M. Raymond, O.C.S.O. Love, Love Love this book.

If you feel you are being called to explore the church, please listen to what the Spirit is telling you whatever your end result may be. The Spirit is always waiting for us to listen to Him, and our lives cannot be anything but better for it.
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thank you to everyone for all the replies.
I completely understand why the Episcopal church sounds better, on paper, for me. I have these "liberal" leanings, and I can't imagine being part of a church that denies them.
That being said, I DO feel pulled to the CC, and always have, actually. I think it's part aesthetic, because I love ceremony and ritual and beautiful spaces. But it's also tradition that I enjoy, and the inclusion of Mary in the life of the Church.
I struggle with the idea that contraception is frowned upon. That it's not ok for me to be happy with the two healthy babies I have and call it a day. How could it be better for us to have no money and have to have me go back to work rather than be with my kids? That would be the situation if I had more. And as a CC member, my judgement on this issue, as with others, would need to be brought into line with the Church, correct?
I'm so overwhelmed by all of this, but I have never felt God more than I do right now, and for that, I'm grateful. But still unsure of where I'm being pulled
A
post #10 of 19
I have recently gone "back to church" although I have been involved in the Church for many years as a professional cantor. Only recently have a I started attending mass regularly (when I'm not singing) I disagree with parts of the religion- sue me. I know so many interesting people from my years singing and there are many variations. In my case- I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water! Go to Mass and explore how it fits you. We are all on different steps of a spiritual journey.
post #11 of 19
find your parish and talk to the priest. If you don't click with that priest, it is ok to keep talking to others until you find one that will help you understand in a way that works for you. As with all people there are some priests that are helpful and some who are not. As an example, a friend was coming back to the church and was concerned about reconciliation (confession). Her sister told her that the recent practice is to discuss one or two issues that you are currently struggling with, not to have a laundry list of sins and frequencies as in years past. She followed the suggestion from her sister and ended up with priest who fussed at her for not having a laundry list. this stuff can turn a person from the church and is terrible for someone coming back to the church after time away. I talked to my priests about it. They said tell her to come to our church for reconciliation. So there are differences between priests.

I can't handle anymore children and discussed this with my wonderful priest. He told me that while the church sets up guidelines for certain things, the final say so is your well formed conscience.

One article that discusses it is this: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column.php?n=387

Here's a quote "That principle holds true only when it presupposes two things: (1) that what we're calling conscience in this case is not just mere moral opinion, and (2) that what we're calling conscience here presents itself with clarity and certainty (a further principle is that one should not act on an uncertain or doubtful conscience without clarifying the doubt). In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that this principle is not directing us to "follow your best opinion about what you consider to be right or wrong." Rather, the principle is directing us to be faithful to the authentic judgment of conscience arising from within when, and only when, that judgment is firm and certain."

Anne Rice has a book out about coming back to the church after being an atheist for many years. May make interesting reading for you. (The Christ the Lord series of fictionalized accounts of Jesus' early life are wonderful too.) she does have many of the same liberal leaning you talk about and said she might not have come back had she realized the church's official current view. But she was pursued by God and is a Catholic regardless at this point. first and foremost it is a personal relationship with Jesus that is the most important thing. good luck.
post #12 of 19
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It would be dishonest and inappropriate to become Catholic while holding those opinions, but RCIA is a great place to start. If you approach it honestly, you never know where you'll end up by the time the series is done. Either way you'll have the information you need.
I agree with this.
post #13 of 19
This blog has some interesting insights:
http://www.conversiondiary.com/
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by angelak2008 View Post
I'm so overwhelmed by all of this, but I have never felt God more than I do right now, and for that, I'm grateful. But still unsure of where I'm being pulled
A
I personally think that this is reason enough to look into the pull you feel. I think that it would be good to meet with a priest one-on-one. I would recommend trying to find a more traditional priest within the church because you'll get a clear idea on the churches teaching and what you will be committing to. There are people that call themselves catholic, but do not practice a life that reflects the values of the church. I personally think it's wrong to misrepresent the faith in that way. It would be like me calling myself Jewish or Muslim, but not embracing the faith of those religions.

I can't remember who said it, but in regards to marriage, society's understanding of marriage is so different from the CC that it's hard to understand the teachings. This is true with many of the CC's teachings.
If you go into this totally open and willingly to have some of your beliefs that you hold now challenged, I think you will find that there is a lot of depth, truth, and wisdom in the teachings. It certainly isn't archaic with an attitude of "well this is just how it's always been".
If you go to the Vatican website you can find lots of information, such as the catechism (basically a handbook of the church teaching with explanations supported by scripture, writings, and tradition) and writings by pope's. Here are a couple of links:

The catechism: http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

Pope John Paull II Letter to Women http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/jo..._women_en.html (I recommend this because it clearly shows the high respect the church has for women. It is so beautiful.)

This talks about families, children, and abortion: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...-texts_en.html (On a quick personal note, my husband and I practice Natural Family Planning, and I have found that it has significantly deepened my relationship with my husband and has made me appreciate and celebrate being a woman)

I am a practicing Catholic and absolutely love my faith, the teachings, and the spirituality. I have a few convert friends and their journey usually starts with a few questions, but one question leads to another to another. There is just SO much to the CC that even as a practicing Catholic, I am still amazed at how many deeper and more beautiful layers there are to be discovered. It may seem overwhelming with all the questions you have, but have an open heart and mind and be at peace. Please feel free to PM if you would like more info. I really pray that you find someone that will guide you in the true way of the CC. The CC is under attack so often, and so many so-called-Catholics are quick to water down the faith to make it socially acceptable, that I think the true beauty and wisdom of the CC is rarely represented. If I think of any more resources for you I'll send them your way. I'll talk to some of my convert friends and ask them what books were helpful for them.
post #15 of 19
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And as a CC member, my judgement on this issue, as with others, would need to be brought into line with the Church, correct?
A
Yes and No.

Many Catholics are still searching, learning, and growing in their faith. Not every catholic believes absolutely every thing the church teaches. In the ideal world we would. But we are all individuals with different life experiences, personalities, ect.

It is not necessary that we all believe exactly the same things (what a boring life and faith it would be were that true). It is however necessary to believe the basic tenants of the faith and to keep yourself open to the Church's teachings.

I would encourage you to learn more. Honestly as a Catholic contraception is something I struggle with in my faith. That doesn't exclude me from my faith community it just means I'm still on my path of understanding and reconciling what my beliefs are with that of the Church. I can however say that I understand why the Church takes the stand it has. It is wrapped in very powerful reasons that I agree with. I am now at a point in my life where I need to figure out how those teachings can be balanced with my personal journey. I would encourage you to learn more about why the Church teaches what it does. You may find you agree with the Church more than you think you do.
post #16 of 19
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Yes and No.

Many Catholics are still searching, learning, and growing in their faith. Not every catholic believes absolutely every thing the church teaches. In the ideal world we would. But we are all individuals with different life experiences, personalities, ect.

It is not necessary that we all believe exactly the same things (what a boring life and faith it would be were that true). It is however necessary to believe the basic tenants of the faith and to keep yourself open to the Church's teachings.

I would encourage you to learn more. Honestly as a Catholic contraception is something I struggle with in my faith. That doesn't exclude me from my faith community it just means I'm still on my path of understanding and reconciling what my beliefs are with that of the Church. I can however say that I understand why the Church takes the stand it has. It is wrapped in very powerful reasons that I agree with. I am now at a point in my life where I need to figure out how those teachings can be balanced with my personal journey. I would encourage you to learn more about why the Church teaches what it does. You may find you agree with the Church more than you think you do.
post #17 of 19
I have been a catholic for 30 years and in the last 3 or 4 have just started to truly understand our Church teachings. I had no idea that I would ever completely embrace every teaching in our Church but have been surprised by the Truth. I have to say that I fall more and more in love with Her every day. There is much wisdom in Church teachings. Just as previous posters have mentioned, our society today is almost incapable of understanding what it means to be Catholic and why the Church's teaching will never change.

I would also try learning as much as possible about John Paul II Theology of the Body. There is bountiful wisdom in them. I don't have any links but trying Google.

If you feel the pull, follow it. You might be as surprised as I was. If you have any questions, PM me. I love sharing my journey with anyone who will listen.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by angelak2008 View Post
Hi All-

I have a long story, but I'll cut straight to my questions I feel drawn to Catholicism in many ways, but it would be a HUGE departure from the church I grew up in, and even the church I currently attend (Episcopal). Basically, I want to know:
How can I accept the idea of a Pope, someone who is "closer to God" than I am? This is very hard for me to get...
How can I get past the idea that women can't serve as priests, and that priests should be celibate? I don't see why these things must be...
I am: pro-gay rights/marriage, pro-choice...can I still be a Catholic?

And finally, where do I begin to read about the church, and how does one "become" a Catholic?
Thanks for your help. I am SHOCKED to find myself considering this!

Angela
Hi Angela! In addition to the advice you've been given, you might want to check out a few books about the Church. There are dozens of books I could recommend, but to cut to the chase, I'll give you the top 3-- (Seriously, these are so good...If it were possible, I'd throw in a full money back guarantee if you didn't get anything out of them! )
  • Why do Catholics Do That? by Kevin Orlin Johnson
  • Scott Hahn's conversaion testimony: Rome Sweet Home.
  • The Catholic Mystique by Ferrara and Ireland (A book written by and for women converts to the Church).

God bless your efforts.
post #19 of 19
Look at this web site... a great place to start... http://www.fisheaters.com
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