omfg im sooooooo pissed

[sosurreal09]

so i wasnt too sure about vaccinations...but i live in america and everyone is like you have to get her vaccines b/c there is so much crap she can get in this country blah blah blah...anyways my DD had her 2 m/o check up and they said like 4 different vaccines and her father was there and I was like no I dont think she should have them and he was like no she needs them and the nurse took his side. ANYWAYS I was guilted into doing it and then my baby got wicked sick for like a week and now shes not bfing right! im so pissed. she keeps ripping off my breast which hurts wicked bad and im working on it. anyways since she got the stupid vaccines she has lost 6 oz! and im like im not giving her any more vaccines and her father and I are fighting about it wicked bad. what can I do to make him see she's not ready for all of this?! he thinks its best for her and unfortunately so does 90% of the population!!!

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by anielasmommy09

so i wasnt too sure about vaccinations...but i live in america and everyone is like you have to get her vaccines b/c there is so much crap she can get in this country blah blah blah...anyways my DD had her 2 m/o check up and they said like 4 different vaccines and her father was there and I was like no I dont think she should have them and he was like no she needs them and the nurse took his side. ANYWAYS I was guilted into doing it and then my baby got wicked sick for like a week and now shes not bfing right! im so pissed. she keeps ripping off my breast which hurts wicked bad and im working on it. anyways since she got the stupid vaccines she has lost 6 oz! and im like im not giving her any more vaccines and her father and I are fighting about it wicked bad. what can I do to make him see she's not ready for all of this?! he thinks its best for her and unfortunately so does 90% of the population!!!

I think you both need to sit down and calmly discuss why you feel the way you do about vaccines, and then agree to both research your concerns thoroughly before making any more decisions.

[HarperRose]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I think you both need to sit down and calmly discuss why you feel the way you do about vaccines, and then agree to both research your concerns thoroughly before making any more decisions.

Agreed.

[Doodlebugsmom]

Originally Posted by anielasmommy09

she keeps ripping off my breast which hurts wicked bad and im working on it.

I have to wonder if you two don't have thrush. One time ds and I had thrush and it was exactly as you describe. It was on a weekend, so we had to go to urgent care (after trying every natural remedy with no success). The PA who saw us asked us if ds had any vaccines recently, as they can apparently cause thrush.

[Emmeline II]

The nurse can say what she likes, but you still can refuse--she is not the parent and has no say. If you go to an appointment intending to refuse, and you are pressured, just say that you will make a separate appointment for vaccinations.

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

Health Sentinel Graphs

WHO GRAPH

Vaccine Injury Table

Beyond Conformity Resources Page
Do you have a quick-fire summary?

Inside Vaccines

[Funny Face]

Awesome post Emmeline.

[CCChanel]

While you and hubby do research I'd urge you to also check out "Finding Your Tribe" here on MDC to find a new healthcare provider...one that sees the value in non-vaxing.

You can also maybe find a playgroup or parents group in your area that are like minded.

[snomnky]

DH and I had/have a similar situation (although I don't let the kids get anything I don't want them to have)

We agree to disagree, but have come to common ground.

What I am saying is you can have different point of views and still do what is best for your babe in your opinion. Even with all the evidence DH has seen in regards to vaccines, he still believes they are important. He also respects the fact that I am not going to do anything that may harm the kids.

That said, it is still very hard to sit and have a civil conversation about vaccines.

Your not alone, do your research and take a deep breath.

[sosurreal09]

thanks guys that helps alot! i think i will have her finish her hepatitis ones and thats it. the hepatitis ones prevent it right? maybe when shes older i'll do polio...idk yet. all the advice is great and much appreciated im a young mom whose just trying to do the best I can for my baby and it tough to know whats best lol

[chaoticzenmom]

http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/...nt?oid=1804743

Here's a good article to have him read. There's also a Gary Null video on Youtube when he goes before a special committee (can't remember the name, but it's him at a desk with a microphone) and lays out the problems with mandatory vaccines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o

Tell him that most vaccine avoiders (according to several articles) are educated professionals. Ask him how he'd feel if she got sick from something that he OK'd injecting into her. Tell him that your mommy senses are tingling and that these vaccines are not ok with you.

[sosurreal09]

so i just read the hep b is not recommended for newborns anymore but shes already had two should i bother with the third? her doc obvs did not know babies shouldnt get that... i feel like i've messed up really bad. i got pregnant by surprise at 21. i dont have a mom so no guidance there. i read alot of things on what to do for your baby. i had a drug free birth for her and i wear her and do everything i feel she needs but i never even thought of vaccines! now i feel horrible. when i try to read up on them it all looks like gibberish to me....idk how to understand these things. i'll check out the websites above to see if i can figure it out lol thanks again guys

[CCChanel]

Try not to feel bad for your past choices... looks like you have been doing a lot right (babywearing, drug free birth) so far so try to concentrate on that!

Just take your time and do some more research here on MDC about the vaxes...and you can skip the well baby visits until you are certain on what you would like to do. It's a learning process for us all! I feel like I learn something new about parenting everyday...and I've been a mom for a while now.

[sosurreal09]

thanks for the video emme that definately helped!!!

[AnnR33]

There are some good books out there too that you can read so you and your DH can have more objective info.
The Vaccine Book by Robert Sears
Vaccinations A Thoughtful Parents Guide by Aviva Jill Romm

another is something like What doctors don't tell you about vaccinations....not sure of the author

You may decide to skip, delay, or group the vax differently based on what you read. But at least you can both have more information to make your decisions instead of just "they should get them"

Good luck

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by anielasmommy09

thanks guys that helps alot! i think i will have her finish her hepatitis ones and thats it. the hepatitis ones prevent it right? maybe when shes older i'll do polio...idk yet. all the advice is great and much appreciated im a young mom whose just trying to do the best I can for my baby and it tough to know whats best lol

Infants are given Hep B on the assumption that they will be promiscuous, drug using teens that are unlikely to go to the Dr. for vaccinations--not because infants are of particular risk.

Answer those questions posted above for yourself and watch the Tenpenny lecture.

You need to be prepared for the potential consequences of either choice; whether you do vax and your child has a vaccine reaction, or you don't and your child contracts a VAD (which can happen to a vaxed child, but then everyone reassure you that you did all you could to prevent it).

It can be difficult with a first child because people may pressure you to do something because "you don't know anything yet"; you can always vaccinate later but you cannot take them out once they have been given.

[AllieFaye]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

Infants are given Hep B on the assumption that they will be promiscuous, drug using teens that are unlikely to go to the Dr. for vaccinations--not because infants are of particular risk.

I was of the understanding that it was the assumption that the mothers were promiscuous drug users who infect their babies at birth. They assume that the mothers are lying about their lifestyle, and need to vaccinate all babies because they can't tell who's infected or not. Of course, they have "mandatory" and sometimes downright misleading or misrepresentative prenatal testing for STDs, so I don't quite get how they come to that conclusion.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by AllieFaye

I was of the understanding that it was the assumption that the mothers were promiscuous drug users who infect their babies at birth. They assume that the mothers are lying about their lifestyle, and need to vaccinate all babies because they can't tell who's infected or not. Of course, they have "mandatory" and sometimes downright misleading or misrepresentative prenatal testing for STDs, so I don't quite get how they come to that conclusion.

I've specifically read that theprimarymotivation for Hep B infant vaccination is a preemtive strike against the future bad behavior of these babies. STD screening was part of my pre-natal bloodwork; I think Hep B is included in that as I've also read that hospitals are concerned about mothers who arrive without medical records, or are not likely to have had pre-natal care. This is just what I recall reading in passing; I don't have anything to verify this against.

[MyBoysBlue]

In Canada Hep B is given to preteens. Grade 5 or 6. I'm guessing it's incase they end up engaging in risky behaviour. If you want Hep B for your baby you actually have to get your doctor to agree that your child is at risk and needs it in order to get health care to cover the cost.

[SanJosemama]

Originally Posted by anielasmommy09

when i try to read up on them it all looks like gibberish to me....idk how to understand these things.

It's as complicated as you want it to be. If you want to make it easy, make a decision to not vaccinate her again, for anything. There are a lot of educated parents who have put many, many hours of research into vaccines, who have decided to completely stop vaccinating. You do not need to finish any shots.

Practice saying, "No vaccines today" before you see the doctor again. Does her father have the legal right to make medical decisions for her? If not, don't worry about convincing him. You could even tell him she got the vaccines, if he doesn't have a legal right to access the medical records.

If you decide to skip some or all vaccines, your life will be easier if you do not discuss that with anyone in real life. It's nobody's business but yours.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by anielasmommy09

so i just read the hep b is not recommended for newborns anymore but shes already had two should i bother with the third?

NO. The less poison you inject into her system the healthier she'll be. Have your dh come on here and ask all the questions he has. It is good to ask questions. He will be shocked when/if he finds out the truth behind vaccines and what is driving that mob.

i had a drug free birth for her and i wear her and do everything i feel she needs but i never even thought of vaccines! now i feel horrible.

Sounds to me like you are using your gut instinct. There is nothing as powerful as that. Stick with it at all costs. It will guide you.


We are a non-vaccine family and all our children are healthy. There are 4 grandchildren that all are super healthy, no allergies, no asthma, no problems whatsoever. We had cp just a while back and guess what? The lo wouldn't have even noticed it except he had to stay home from school a few days which btw, made him sad.

Avoid all vaccines. Continue to nurse and keep your baby close to you. Tell the father you'll take all the responsibility for any sickness, that will make him more secure with you not vaccinating. He will be thankful eventually.

What type of guy is your dh? Is he open minded or totally blinded by mainstream politics, media, info, etc.?