Preconception care: Mineral Deficiency Test - Page 3

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Those are great folates, as far as we understand folate supplementation at this time. Might need more 5-MTHF if you have MTHFR, as I understand it. Food folate is optimal, imo.

Is that Brainchild's?

I only worry about avoiding vitamin palmitate A. Those are fine, in that type and proportion, imo.

That is a lot of selenium for a child, I believe.

Night-wakening is associated with adrenal fatigue.



Pat

Okay, thanks! That vitamin above is made by GI Pro, they make a lot of SCD-legal stuff. I guess the thing about folate then is knowing whether or not you have the MTHFR gene, then.

I think I do have adrenal issues, then.

Thank you. Still sorting all this out.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by momofmine

Okay, thanks! That vitamin above is made by GI Pro, they make a lot of SCD-legal stuff. I guess the thing about folate then is knowing whether or not you have the MTHFR gene, then.

OT: is this it? http://www.giprohealth.com/GIProChild.aspx What do you mix it in and how does it taste?

Pat

[momofmine]

Yes, that's the one, and it tastes horrible. It comes in capsules too, but my kids can't do capsules yet. I have to mix it in straight juice, either orange or pineapple, and we never do straight juice. It's best to mix it and then let it sit for some time, so it dissolves, and isn't as gritty. At least ten or 15 minutes. I also stand there with some plain juice that they can drink right after to wash it down but they do not like it. I can't always get them to take it, and I don't even try to do it daily. I figure if I get it into them 2-3 x/week we are doing good. When they are sick, I just supp the things I need them to take separately.

I've been wanting to try mixing it in some other foods. Mashed banana did not work. When I try mixing it into smoothies, they can tell it's in there and then they don't want to have to drink the whole smoothie. SO they usually do better with it being more concentrated. It tastes yuckier but it's over quicker.

I think it might be the B vitamins that make it taste that way.

I need to work on some more creative ways to mask it.

[momofmine]

Just looking back at those food sources of folate from the article you linked, Pat, about why pregnant women should NOT take multis with folic acid, and it looks like raw leafy greens are really important. So I guess juicing is really good for this?

I've been wanting to get an Omega juicer for over a year now, the kind that doesn't heat the juice and kill the enzymes, and I think I will spend some Christmas money on that now.

[susanlee]

OH gosh!

OK.

i already have a 2 yr old daughter who seems to be fine....except she had a lot of digestive issues and allergies.....which wasnt common in both of our families.....i had 6 fillings.

i dont know how well iam eliminating those out of my body.....iam been getting sick lately, short term memory, sick to my stomach, sharp pain in my left head.

the thought of trying to conceive with the fillings in my mouth is so yucky...iam want to have a healthy pregnancy meaning with a peace of mind. so i really want them out. my naturopath said iam sensitive t mercury so i might not be eliminating them well. he aslo said i can conceive 3 moths after the removal. but after reading here, i am really confused.

so how long should i wait after removing??


and where can i get the information online for andy cuttlers??

thank you

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by momofmine

Yes, that's the one, and it tastes horrible. It comes in capsules too, but my kids can't do capsules yet. I have to mix it in straight juice, either orange or pineapple, and we never do straight juice. It's best to mix it and then let it sit for some time, so it dissolves, and isn't as gritty. At least ten or 15 minutes. I also stand there with some plain juice that they can drink right after to wash it down but they do not like it. I can't always get them to take it, and I don't even try to do it daily. I figure if I get it into them 2-3 x/week we are doing good. When they are sick, I just supp the things I need them to take separately.

I've been wanting to try mixing it in some other foods. Mashed banana did not work. When I try mixing it into smoothies, they can tell it's in there and then they don't want to have to drink the whole smoothie. SO they usually do better with it being more concentrated. It tastes yuckier but it's over quicker.

I think it might be the B vitamins that make it taste that way.

I need to work on some more creative ways to mask it.

It is the B vites that taste yuck. I could never get the GIPro stuff into my child. What I did is teach him to swallow capsules - totally worth a try for any child, IMO. (My DS is 2.5 and autistic, so I figure if he learned easily, it's attainable for others). I started with kitten capsules (size #5) from thrivingpets.com - they're really tiny. (And they're high quality people capsules, just really small, so appropriate for kittens). I tried putting them in applesauce and yogurt first, and that went OK, but the easiest is dipping them in maple syrup - DS rolls them around to lick off the maple syrup, then easily dry swallows them. Likely even easier if your child will do a juice chaser. We worked our way up to size#3 capsules now, which are available in lots of places - he takes 4 of them 4 times a day (he gets a LOT of supps) - I think he thinks they're candy. It is life changing not to have to try to hide supps in food.

Originally Posted by susanlee

OK.

i already have a 2 yr old daughter who seems to be fine....except she had a lot of digestive issues and allergies.....which wasnt common in both of our families.....i had 6 fillings.

i dont know how well iam eliminating those out of my body.....iam been getting sick lately, short term memory, sick to my stomach, sharp pain in my left head.

the thought of trying to conceive with the fillings in my mouth is so yucky...iam want to have a healthy pregnancy meaning with a peace of mind. so i really want them out. my naturopath said iam sensitive t mercury so i might not be eliminating them well. he aslo said i can conceive 3 moths after the removal. but after reading here, i am really confused.

so how long should i wait after removing??


and where can i get the information online for andy cuttlers??

thank you

Your ND's answer is absolutely wrong - that timing would likely dump a ton of mercury into your baby . I think the true answer is you should wait until you aren't showing signs of mercury toxicity, which is at minimum 12-18 months, but truly, longer for some people. Andy Cutler has some info at his site, noamalgam.com, or a ton of info and links collected here http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

[susanlee]

so what now??

so i thought that its better to have fillings removed before conceiving.....means no mercury leaching into body......but it seems like there is more risk involved in removing mercury? how so?? so is it still safe to conceive with fillings in my mouth? or to get rid f them? which is more harm?

[susanlee]

help

OK,

Now where do i start to see if my fillings are a problem? do i get a hair analysis? and if iam not mercury toxic...is it better to leave the fillings in place? how do i find out if i am hypersensitive to mercury? i fi decide to go ahead with the removal....what are steps needs to be taken in order? how long do i need to detox (or do i need to detox)? and when can i concieve? how safe is the protocol?

i appreciate any help.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by susanlee

so i thought that its better to have fillings removed before conceiving.....means no mercury leaching into body......but it seems like there is more risk involved in removing mercury? how so?? so is it still safe to conceive with fillings in my mouth? or to get rid f them? which is more harm?

The issue is that the most mercury vapor exposure is during placement, and during removal. So, you must detox the exposure by excreting the mercury or storing the mercury. Plus, the mercury fillings leach mercury vapor every day, every meal, especially with hot liquids and chewing. Joy, I know, I have 10 mercury fillings in still.

The body stores excess mercury, if we are not able to excrete it effectively. Some of us have poorer detox ability than others, this depends upon nutrient deficiencies to a large extent, also depends upon toxin exposure and genetics. So, you may have mercury stores from when the fillings were placed (adrenal, thyroid, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple chemical sensitivity, candida, sacral dimple, tongue, allergies, asthma, and mental health issues seem to be associated with poorer detox ability).

The excess mercury circulates in the body (during and after placement and removal) to be excreted (or stored in the organs, brain and gut). As the (daily) mercury exposure is lessened (after removal), old stored mercury is released for excretion. Apparently, there is a big dump of old stored mercury about 3-6 months after removal. And again after about a year, per my understanding.

Therefore, it is probably safer to conceive with the mercury fillings in place, than to conceive within 12-18 months after removal, especially if you have any detox or nutrient issues. However, we also excrete our current toxin exposures and old toxin exposures into fetus and breastmilk. btdt too.

If I had known about the risk to my fetus, I would not have conceived with 10 mercury fillings present. Ds has ASD behaviors. And I know I shared my mercury issues with him. We also have genetic variables which increase the poor detox of mercury though.


Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by susanlee

OK,

Now where do i start to see if my fillings are a problem? do i get a hair analysis? and if iam not mercury toxic...is it better to leave the fillings in place? how do i find out if i am hypersensitive to mercury? i fi decide to go ahead with the removal....what are steps needs to be taken in order? how long do i need to detox (or do i need to detox)? and when can i concieve? how safe is the protocol?

i appreciate any help.

Start at the beginning of this thread for more information.

Also,
http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=3,76&q=102
http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol (many helpful links)
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelation...ury_chelation/
http://www.noamalgam.com/
http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/
http://livingnetwork.co.za/dentalnet...algam-removal/
http://www.dentalwellness4u.com/free...amalremov.html

Mercury amalgam fillings should be removed only by dentists with experience using the IOAMT mercury amalgam removal protocol.
http://www.mercuryfreenow.com/freese...amalremov.html

http://www.iaomt.org/


Pat

[JENinOR]

I have lots to reply too and I'm glad this thread has taken a mercury turn cause I thinks that's probably the most common toxic metal we mamas are exposed too. Just wanted to say real quick that ND said it would be find to chelate with fillings in and reduce heavy metal content even with them in! I would keep getting daily exposure from teeth but that it would make really reduce overall body heavy metal content. Anyone heard of this? I guess he would do a chelater and then test urine a short while after and we'd keep doing that regularly through the chelation period until my urine tests come back clean (enough?) before ttc. What do you think? I would love, love to get fillings out and I may have to because I'm so sick, but I just don't know when that would be due to $$$. Anyone heard of these:

"there are some safe chelators that create a bond strong enough to remove mercury from the body without redistributing it. Two of them, DMSA (dimercaptosuccinic acid) and DMPS (dimercaptoprpane-1-sulfonic acid) are water soluble and ALA(alpha lipoic acid) is fat soluble.

Oral DMPS seem like the best choice and can be combined with ALA. Also, oral chelators are always preferred over IV chelators."

[WuWei]

TanyaLopez is our resident mercury chelating resource. She is on a 13 hour car ride, hopefully with sick child well. She won't be able to respond until after Christmas, I imagine.

But, chelating with mercury fillings in is seriously dangerous, from my understanding. You *can* support your detox pathways to excrete current toxin exposures, by improving nutrient deficiencies.

Also, I would not do any "challenge" tests to evaluate urine for mercury excretion, with fillings in place, while nursing or pregnant.

This is a huge amount of information, I understand it is overwhelming.


Pat

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by WuWei

OT: is this it? http://www.giprohealth.com/GIProChild.aspx What do you mix it in and how does it taste?

Pat

It tastes BLEH!!! We have a 3/4 full bottle in our cupboard.

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[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by susanlee

OK,

Now where do i start to see if my fillings are a problem? do i get a hair analysis? and if iam not mercury toxic...is it better to leave the fillings in place? how do i find out if i am hypersensitive to mercury? i fi decide to go ahead with the removal....what are steps needs to be taken in order? how long do i need to detox (or do i need to detox)? and when can i concieve? how safe is the protocol?

i appreciate any help.

I'd absolutely start with a hair test. The one you want is the Hair Elements test (NOT the hair toxic elements test) from DDI - you can order it from directlabs.com yourself. Once you get the test results, post them here and we can help you interpret them.

That will tell you if you are mercury toxic, and then you can decide what your best choices would be with that knowledge in hand.

Originally Posted by mommyjenn

I have lots to reply too and I'm glad this thread has taken a mercury turn cause I thinks that's probably the most common toxic metal we mamas are exposed too. Just wanted to say real quick that ND said it would be find to chelate with fillings in and reduce heavy metal content even with them in! I would keep getting daily exposure from teeth but that it would make really reduce overall body heavy metal content. Anyone heard of this? I guess he would do a chelater and then test urine a short while after and we'd keep doing that regularly through the chelation period until my urine tests come back clean (enough?) before ttc. What do you think? I would love, love to get fillings out and I may have to because I'm so sick, but I just don't know when that would be due to $$$. Anyone heard of these:

"there are some safe chelators that create a bond strong enough to remove mercury from the body without redistributing it. Two of them, DMSA (dimercaptosuccinic acid) and DMPS (dimercaptoprpane-1-sulfonic acid) are water soluble and ALA(alpha lipoic acid) is fat soluble.

Oral DMPS seem like the best choice and can be combined with ALA. Also, oral chelators are always preferred over IV chelators."

Oh holy )%*@#)(#*$@()#$*)@#. Get a new ND. This one is very dangerous. Follow the links above to the Andy Cutler info, and do some reading. First, NEVER chelate with ANY chelator with a mouth full of mercury. Also, urine challenge tests are potentially dangerous if you are quite toxic (Andy Cutler has good explanations for why). Given that you are fairly sick at the moment, I'd be especially worried about doing any challenge tests.

ALA is a strong chelator of mercury - but if you mobilize a lot of it, and your body can't clear it, the mercury will resettle - and with mercury, it often resettles in your brain, where it is a lot more dangerous than wherever it was stored before. So taking ALA (or any other effective mercury mobilizer) with mercury fillings in is basically going to be a direct shuttle of mercury from your teeth to your brain. Very, very bad idea.

The only thing I agree with above is using oral vs. IV chelators (and using oral on an Andy Cutler dosing schedule - I highly recommend reading his stuff, he's pretty succinct and straightforward, and gives good guidance on how to chelate most safely).

Tanya is chelating with DMSA and ALA, and has mercury issues, so I'm sure she'll chime in when she's able - but I don't think she'll disagree with me that your ND is dangerous.

ETA: Sorry mamas, if the tone here is coming across as super pushy! I'm about to shut down for Christmas, and don't have time to find all the links I'd love to share with you - but sorry if the short answer sounds like yelling, so not meaning to do that. Happy Holidays!

[JENinOR]

Originally Posted by susanlee

OK.
i dont know how well iam eliminating those out of my body.....iam been getting sick lately, short term memory, sick to my stomach, sharp pain in my left head.

I'm so glad that your right head is okay!

mamafish9, thank you so much for that info. Seriously, gotta check and double check everything, especially when it comes to toxic metals. Yikes!

[Brown Lioness]

I just want to come out of lurkmode and thank everyone for your wealth of knowledge and sharing it with us here.

My hubby and I would like to start TTCing within the next year or so, but i have 14 mercury fillings (he has none, thank goodness) and that scares me to death about TTC. I suppose if I had them removed in the next few months, i could safely chelate in time for us to be ready to TTC, but that is still such a long time.

I most definitely want to do the hair elements test from direct labs to see how high my mercury load is though. Ive been to a few of the links provided, but i need to go ahead and buy the book, i think, so i have it to go over and over, lol.

Anyway, i just wanted to say thank you and bless you for your kindness.

[tanyalynn]

Brown Lionness, you can find a lot of Amalgam Illness online, if you google you'll get to it. Though I like having a real book to read, it makes it easier for me.

Mommyjenn--I'm taking DMSA and ALA, and giving them to my kids. They do a very nice job getting rid of mercury and a few other metals (DMSA is very good for lead, ALA also grabs arsenic quite well, and both grab a few others that I always forget because they aren't significant issues for us). I strongly disagree that it's fine to take them with amalgams in your mouth. Go the frequent dose chelation yahoo group and start poking around, people get sicker doing this, sometimes to the point that they are barely able to function.

I'm also not a fan of provoked urine challenge tests. Basically you consume a high dose of chelator (higher than anything I've ever taken) and wait to see what comes out, and then live with the re-distribution. Because no chelator is perfect--none, despite marketing to the contrary. And so the metals that that huge dose of chelator mobilized are now floating through your bloodstream, and eventually settling in somewhere in new tissues. That hurts. Short-term problems like headaches, body aches, nausea, stuff like that, but the more insidious problems are mood issues that set in over the course of days--apathy, depression, anxiety, fun stuff like that.

Sadly, quite a few HCPs know that heavy metals can cause health problems, but don't know quite enough about how to remove them safely. I think the magnitude of problems that metals can cause is often underestimated.

A good place to read about safety pros/cons is in the ASD biomed world. The safety discussion seems more robust there--I guess because parents are trying to make decisions on behalf of their children. Safety is important for adults too, but the risks are different--adults may be employed, or have children dependent on them, they need to care for themselves (instead of my kids, for example, who just do kid stuff, and I provide for them). And these are often not considered enough IMO.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by WuWei

The body stores excess mercury, if we are not able to excrete it effectively. Some of us have poorer detox ability than others, this depends upon nutrient deficiencies to a large extent, also depends upon toxin exposure and genetics. So, you may have mercury stores from when the fillings were placed (adrenal, thyroid, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple chemical sensitivity, candida, sacral dimple, tongue, allergies, asthma, and mental health issues seem to be associated with poorer detox ability).

The excess mercury circulates in the body (during and after placement and removal) to be excreted (or stored in the organs, brain and gut). As the (daily) mercury exposure is lessened (after removal), old stored mercury is released for excretion. Apparently, there is a big dump of old stored mercury about 3-6 months after removal. And again after about a year, per my understanding.

Pat

Pat, the bold part--I've never read that there's a second increase. Cutler says that roughly 3-6 mos after removal, circulating metals go up, along with symptoms, and then after that, it's all improvement.

But your first paragraph, I wanted to comment on health issues that seem to cluster among people with mercury problems. Some are just straight (non-metals) detoxification issues, I think it's more the clustering of problems (in oneself, or a pattern in the family history).

For me, things happened in this order:
allergies (enviro for me)
anxiety
intermittent depression
adrenal problems were slowly building all through this, I just didn't recognize them
hypothyroidism (this is often reversible)

Other folks might have the more serious problems Pat mentioned, fibromyalgia, multiple chemical sensitivity, MS. Cutler's book talks about various problems, I'm probably forgetting some. And I'm not saying all cases of fibro and MS and whatnot are mercury-related, but I think it's something that should be ruled in or out, because it's treatable.

I see these issues, and related issues, littered through my family history. My DH has none of this, totally different health issues tend to cluster in his family.

[WuWei]

Tanya, this is what I recalled reading: http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/25109.html

Andy Cutler says, "Wait 18 months after the last filling is out, or certainly at least 12 but 18 is a lot safer.

See figure 15 on page 52 of Amalgam Illness. Your body moves mercury around for a year or more after it can do this, and you don't want to be pregnant during that time.

There is nothing you can do to speed that up."


Pat