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I was visiting some friends over Christmas break and they asked me if I had had to spank my (13 month old!!) dd yet

I said no and they said they started spanking their kids at 10 months for "defiance" like sticking their fingers in outlets. My dd does that too, she thinks it's a great game. that's why we have outlet covers. I'm pretty sure she can't understand enough to be deliberately defiant at 10 months.
Then I was visiting someone else at the end of a weeklong trip and my dd hadn't slept well the night before and was just whiny and cranky (she is usually very good mannered and rarely fusses/cries). Since I knew she was so tired, I kept trying to think of other things I could give her to keep her attention.
The lady I was visiting just kept saying, "just let her cry, she'll be fine. don't worry, it doesn't bother me." as though I was only concerned that my dd's crying was affecting HER and not concerned about my dd
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