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Changing daycares after a lot of instability

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I don't know if this belongs in the pregnancy forum or WOH forum or what, so....yeah.

There is a little boy in my class (I teach preschool) who is very aggressive towards me. I have spoken with the directors about it numerous times, and all of his inappropriate/aggressive behavior has been overlooked basically ebcause they want the tuition. Today he kicked me in the stomach hard enough that I felt nauseous. Not long after that he punched me in the stomach. Other staff saw it both times, but nothing was done about it other than a mild reprimand to the child. This is nowheres close to the first time it has happened (to me and other staff) and I have figured out that my choices are to deal with him kicking me (if I get too close) or get another job. After today I am really thinking about whether that job is worth the risk to my unborn baby.

I'm looking at other job options, but the problem is that my 2yo ds goes to the center with me, and has totally bonded with his teachers and classmates. He cries at drop-off time (he is in a different room than me) but that's it. I check on him during the day and he is always happy. His teachers are great people. As far as the center itself, it's not what I would have picked for him (there is no playground equipment, the toys are all plastic and very junky, and there are only maybe 2 bins of toys for all 15 kids). I would like him to be in a less chaotic, more structured setting as well. But when I got hired I needed a job badly and this was the only place I could work and still have ds in daycare, for free.

He has been through a lot of change and instability over the last year, and in the next few months we are looking at several more big changes...the baby's dad and I are working things out and will eventually move in together, ds and I will be moving to a new home either alone or with him, he's getting a sibling, and we are having a lot of behavior even now because of the stress of our current living situation.

If I change jobs now, he will have to leave the center because the logistics of getting him there every day on the bus, and still getting to work anywhere else would be impossible. I will have to either:

A) put him in a new daycare/preschool close to my new job, until the baby is born, when he will have to either stop going altogether ro only go a couple mornings a week if we can afford it (because I only get free daycare as long as I'm working, so while I'm out with the new baby, ds won't qualify for daycare)

B) take him out of this center and juggle him between 3-4 different caregivers (all of whom he knows and likes, but he wouldn't have any kind of decent schedule)

All 4 caregiver options already have to work, and with their varying schedules and transportation issues, ds wouldn't even be able to regularly attend a class (like rec center gymnastics or swimming or something). He enjoys the socialization and I feel like he really needs to be in a structured setting right now, at least PT.

So, what would you do? I'm worried about my unborn baby but I'm also worried about how hard it would be for ds for me to pull him out, and put him somewhere else for 3 months, and then have to pull him out again when dd is born? I will be home with dd for at least 6 weeks, but we are hoping for 3-4 months, with me going back to work in September and ds (hopefully) starting public preschool at the same time.

I guess this is the first time I have to choose which of my kids comes first...
post #2 of 14
Is there any way you could move to a different room in the same childcare center so both you and your ds could stay there until the baby is born?

Hope you can work something out, it sounds like a really tough situation.
post #3 of 14
Honestly the next time that child kicked or punched me in my pregnant stomach I would be immediately informing the director that I was leaving for an emergency appointment to my OB to check the health of my pregnancy. To allow that to continue is an unreasonable expectation for anyone, pregnant or not, and I would hint that there could be legal ramifications. (For example, if the dr puts you on bedrest for a week after one such incident, that's an automatic workers comp issue, etc.) Otherwise though I would definitely discuss my concerns about this room and child with the director and ask if there were another room I could work in for the next few months - that was a good suggestion by the pp.
post #4 of 14
I think the easiest way to handle this is to talk to the director ASAP about the child who is hitting you. Unaccaptable!
post #5 of 14

I would ask for an immediete room transfer for you or the child..

It is not okay that he is kicking and punching you in the belly whether you are pregnant or not but being pregnant makes it more dangerous to your baby.I would not tolerate this and would be going above your director to a higher up if something wasn't done fast.
post #6 of 14
I had a similar issue (not as extreme, though) when I was working in a head start center. I had a child who kicked me in the abdomen one day when I was about 3 months prego(it was not the first show of violence, but it was the first time he kicked my belly). I told my director my concerns, and she made some kind of comment about how much amniotic fluid is in there and how her kids laid all over her pregnant belly with her third and that her doctor said it was okay. She said that if my doctor sent a note about it, then she would consider taking action. So my midwife faxed her a note saying that a sudden strong impact to my belly could put me at risk of miscarriage. The child was moved out of my room.

Get a note from your doctor or midwife before you talk to your boss.
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Lke I stated before, the situation is not going to change without outside "help." Which is why I am considering calling licensing.

I want to be clear that I realize that this child needs help and that he and I may just not be a good "match" anyway (not all teachers and kids get along!) but at this point I am done trying to advocate for anyone other than myself. I hate to sound so harsh, but I just returned from a 5-day suspension which I thought was because I said something "wrong' to a mother.

Turned out the mother hadn't actually complained. The owner called and talked to me and said that they just wanted to be clear that I understood that we are never to make any negative comments about a child's behavior, even if their behavior was undesriable. We should always say they had a good day because that is what the parents are paying us for.

What I actually got suspended for saying was, "he had a so-so day....he has had better ones for sure, but we've done worse too, I can't complain." Said in a FRIENDLY way, and immediately after giving the mom a full run-down of what had been done in class that day. Whether I worded that awkwardly or not (which is entirely possible) the point is that no matter how I worded it, they don't want ANY negative feedback about these kids because parents don't like to hear it. I screwed up because I was trying to honestly answer the mom's question WTIHOUT sounding like I was accusing her child of being hell on wheels lol. (Which fwiw MY ds can be hell on wheels too so I'm not a total pushover but typical preschool mischief doesn't upset or faze me)

Sorry to get all off topic, but I just give that as an example to show that there is no chance of remedying the situation. Which brings me to the whole point of my OP: What do I do? Sacrifice ds for dd? Or sacrifice dd for ds?
post #8 of 14
I was a preschool teacher for almost 1 years, and my Mom was a director for over 20 years. I have NEVER heard of a director treating their employee so bad. A 5 day suspension????!!!!!! Dont you have a state ratio you have to meet and make sure you have enough staff?

Is there another center you can work at in your town?
post #9 of 14
Can I be (I hope gently) honest wirh you here?

"Sacrifcing DS for DD or sacrificing DD for DS" is not what is going on here. Not by a long shot, although perhaps that's the easier way to look at it.

You have been put on notice by your director that A) you're not needed (with the 5 day suspension over something that minor) and B) she doesn't give a crap about her employees or their health.

While I never had to work for someone like that (I was always able to walk away, which I understand is frankly not reality for many people in our economy right now), I know PLENTY of childcare workers that did.

What is going to happen is while you are on maternity leave, you'll likely be let go. Or you will be forced out soon after you come back. This woman does not want your infant taking up lower-cost space in the *most expensive* tier of her center. She will use the suspension on your record as the excuse that no, she's not discriminating against you for your pregnancy/birth.

I am so sorry, mama, but I have seen this happen over and over and OVER and OVER again.

If I were you, I would stay at the center only while you are looking for a new job and leave ASAP. Your job stability is not safe there. Violent kid or not.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Tigerchild View Post
Can I be (I hope gently) honest wirh you here?

"Sacrifcing DS for DD or sacrificing DD for DS" is not what is going on here. Not by a long shot, although perhaps that's the easier way to look at it.

You have been put on notice by your director that A) you're not needed (with the 5 day suspension over something that minor) and B) she doesn't give a crap about her employees or their health.

While I never had to work for someone like that (I was always able to walk away, which I understand is frankly not reality for many people in our economy right now), I know PLENTY of childcare workers that did.

What is going to happen is while you are on maternity leave, you'll likely be let go. Or you will be forced out soon after you come back. This woman does not want your infant taking up lower-cost space in the *most expensive* tier of her center. She will use the suspension on your record as the excuse that no, she's not discriminating against you for your pregnancy/birth.

I am so sorry, mama, but I have seen this happen over and over and OVER and OVER again.

If I were you, I would stay at the center only while you are looking for a new job and leave ASAP. Your job stability is not safe there. Violent kid or not.
I agree. Any chance you could do in-home daycare? And if I were you, I would take out your ds, too. It doesn't sound like a very safe place for him.

I know it's probably not easy, though!
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Tigerchild View Post
Can I be (I hope gently) honest wirh you here?

"Sacrifcing DS for DD or sacrificing DD for DS" is not what is going on here. Not by a long shot, although perhaps that's the easier way to look at it.

You have been put on notice by your director that A) you're not needed (with the 5 day suspension over something that minor) and B) she doesn't give a crap about her employees or their health.

While I never had to work for someone like that (I was always able to walk away, which I understand is frankly not reality for many people in our economy right now), I know PLENTY of childcare workers that did.

What is going to happen is while you are on maternity leave, you'll likely be let go. Or you will be forced out soon after you come back. This woman does not want your infant taking up lower-cost space in the *most expensive* tier of her center. She will use the suspension on your record as the excuse that no, she's not discriminating against you for your pregnancy/birth.

I am so sorry, mama, but I have seen this happen over and over and OVER and OVER again.

If I were you, I would stay at the center only while you are looking for a new job and leave ASAP. Your job stability is not safe there. Violent kid or not.
I agree - The cost of putting an infant in childcare can be twice/trice as much as a four or 5 year old and I'd say they don't want your new infant taking up a place where they can get premium income from a non-staff family.

I would find another employer to work for and then quit, by your description it doesn't sound like they have quality or quantity play equipment for the children so I would find a new center for your DS.

I hope it works out for you.
post #12 of 14
Another : for Tigerchild. Time for all of you to move on.
post #13 of 14
OP, I also don't mean to say that you should quit right now. It doesn't sound like you are able to do that. But I'm begging you, especially if you need income, to take this opportunity to light a fire under your butt to get plan B going. Start researching home daycare options (you may be able to get close to your pay now by taking in one family's children--more than that you might have to get licensed--but maybe that would be preferable). Look into other daycares (you might want to try to find non-profit ones. Unfortuately, many for-profit daycares will have the same reluctance to hire you because they don't want to lose high$$ space in the infant room. Is it fair, no. Is it reality, yes.).

I would spend less time worrying about the problem kid at this point, and more energy on figuring out what you're going to do when you leave this job.

I hope that I'm wrong, but I don't think that I am. The sooner you have a plan in place, the stronger you will be, and the more stability for your son and your family. I'm really sorry. I know that jobs are really hard to come by. But I think you shouldn't count too much on this one. I think the director is giving you a very very clear (and brazen) message, from what you describe.
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies. Ds and dd would not be going for free forever because Social Services covers ther daycare costs (we're just waiting on paperwork right now for ds). I definitey don't plan on going back after dd is born, anyway. But I still think you guys are right, because Social Services only pays a certain amount and I have to pay a co-pay. It's a small co-pay, but they waive it for employees, so it would make them more money in the long run not to have my 2 kids there.

I'm starting to be sorry for ds' sake that I took the job in the first place, but it was literally the ONLY job I could get at the time, with no money for daycare and no one to watch ds, and very limited transportation (we have terrible public transportation around here)

I don't have my own home right now so home daycare is out of the question. However there are a few other jobs (like call center jobs) that I am looking into. I really don't care, I will do whatever I have to do to get out of the situation I'm in right now. I just feel terrible about uprooting ds again. *I* know it's not the ideal daycare for him, you know, but he likes it. Or at least, he's adjusted.

Ugh. Thank you for your responses....I'm glad to know I'm not the only one seeing a problem with this situation. Any creative ideas on dealing with this are very much appreciated!

And if ds and I end up leaving, what would you sll recommend? Another structured daycare/preschool setting or the 3-4 caregivers option? If I work nights it will probably be both (caregiver overnight while I work, then a couple hours of preschool in the mornings so I can rest and he can socialize/learn). what do you think would be the best scenario, given the options?
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