help me with skeptical dh

[astar326]

I've been researching vaxxing since before we conceived and ds is now 2 months and the dr would like to begin vaxxing. dh and i agree on delaying and spreading out vaxes. he would like to do the dtap, but i want to wait till age 2. i'm confused because i read that the blood brain barrier develops at 6 wks, but have heard some say 2 yrs of age. please provide me with the research you have found. dh is skeptical and doesn't trust ppl w/o a MD behind their name. our apt. is 1/5 so any conversations i can have before will help me from freaking out @ the dr.'s office. in the mean time i'll continue researching.

Thanks in advance!

[MountainMamaGC]

Dr Russell Blaylock is a neurosurgeon and he says the blood brain barrier doesnt develop until age 2. Google him and read or watch his webinars.

[Emmeline II]

Having an MD next to their name does not make them responsible in any way for the consequences of vaccination. The vaccine manufacturers are protected from liability by the government; the government compensation program is paid by a tax on the vaccines you buy. How trusting can he be of people who bear no responsibility if a vaccine harms your child?

Stephanie Cave and Bob Sears are two "MD"s who favor a delayed schedule; perhaps you should pick up those books.

I was pressured by dh into vaccinating our first (started at 4mo though); with our second I put my foot down and told dh that I would not discuss it until he had done as much research as I had. A couple months later he came back and said that he agreed that we should not vax.

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

Health Sentinel Graphs

WHO GRAPH

Vaccine Injury Table

Beyond Conformity Resources Page
Do you have a quick-fire summary?

Inside Vaccines

[ammiga]

Something to think about with the whole "MD" after their name thing... that means they went to medical school. It means they learned how to work with medicine. It doesn't mean they learned about all the natural ways the body fights illness, it doesn't mean they learned about how VPDs affect a normal, healthy person or child. It doesn't mean they learned the dangers of vaccinating. It doesn't mean they know more than you do about both sides of the issue. They know medicine and how to work with it (and sometimes, they don't even know that very well).

My advice to you with your appointment on 1/5 is to agree to not vaccinate at all at that appointment, no matter what is put in front of you. You can listen to what your doctor has to say, go home and research it, and come to an agreement when you are not in a high-pressured sales pitch, which is exactly what well baby visits are. Your doctor will certainly try to scare the bejeezers out of you for not vaxing. Nothing bad will come of waiting a few days and making a follow-up appointment after you have heard what they have to say. But you will likely feel guilty and unhappy with any decision you are pressured into on the spot. Take the time you need to make a well researched decision. You can never take back a vaccine once it is given, so make sure you are only giving ones you are comfortable with and at a time you are comfortable doing so.

[astar326]

ammiga I agree with your statement regarding MD. too bad dh doesn't.

Emmeline II thank you sooo much for the websites. I'm putting together a bunch of info for dh to read. i asked him to do research, but he hasn't and he just takes the research i have done and says that his delayed vaxxing is best (based really on no research).

Lydiah thanks i will look him up

[astar326]

also we did discuss delaying with our dr. during our last WBV when he wanted us to get the hep vax and we declined. so he knows we will be implementing a different vax schedule.

[MaddieMay]

I also second having him read Dr. Sears' The Vaccine Book. It's even more pro-vax than I'd like, but it would probably be a good one for DH if that's the case. If my DH were ever to question my vax decisions, that's the book I'd make him read. I bring it to all WBV too.

[Ophelia]

I would either cancel the appointment until you have had a chance to talk about it more, or go but agree NO vaxes until you have had more chance to discuss.

DH pressured (more like forced, threatened) me into them so DS had most of his vaxes up until 12mo. I think you can guess what it did to our marriage. We had to go to counseling for 2+ years (yes there were other reasons too but vaxes were a big one).

But you know what really helped him to see that DS was not going to automatically die if he didn't get every shot? DR. Jay Gordon's vaccination video. Get it ASAP. You can also watch DR. Sheri Tenpenny's video online (link to my site http://kieranonline.net).

The book I recommend the most is Aviva Jill Romm's vaccination book. If your DH won't read it then at least you will have it if he has specific questions or issues you can look it up in the book. It will also give you the information that you need because the more knowledgeable you are, the better you will be able to counter 'mainstream' thinking.

[Deborah]

I added Aviva Jill Romm's book to the collection in my library. It is handy because she doesn't tell parents what to do about vaccination, just goes through all the vaccines and all the diseases and then you can make your own decision. For a library with not much room, it is hard to fit in multiple books on the same topic.

And my point? You don't have to buy the book, request it at your local library. If they don't have it on the shelf they can get it for you via interlibrary loan.

[Marnica]

If your DH won't put in the work to do the research himself, then he should not have equal input into this decision.

I told my DH he had 2 options:
1) trust my research or do his own and then we could talk about it but until that time DS would get nothing and I really didn't give a rat's --- if he didn't like it or agree with this. He chose to trust my research as he knew I had done TONS. DS is 20 months and 100% unvaccinated. DH is totally fine with it and is even a great person to clam me down when I have doubts. (which is getting rarer and rarer the more I know)

The following are medical professionals that either support no vaxing or selective delayed vaxing.

These guys are all MD's or DO's (osteopathic doctor...yes they have attended med school)

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/
http://www.philipincao.com/
http://www.rolandsimion.org/?lang=en
http://www.drpalevsky.com/
http://drtenpenny.com/
http://homefirst.com/info.html
http://www.mercola.com
http://www.donaldmiller.com/

I would also reccomend you check out this website. It is full of artciles and info all from medical people about vaccines.

http://www.medicalvoices.org/

I have 3 plus years worth of research complied. If you are interested Id be happy to email it to you. I would need a email address as I would send it as an attachment. The 2 month well baby visit is the hardest to say no to the vaccines IMO. After that it gets easier if you find a doc that will be ok with your choice to not vax (if that is what you decide).

[astar326]

Today is the day

THANK YOU ALL for the support!!!

so i feel like i'm making some headway with dh (or more accurate i think he gave up arguing when he wasn't interested in doing the research or even review the research i have done). i spent many days reviewing the links and youtube videos that everyone suggested.

i feel i am armed and ready for our wbv later today. i will not be bullied by dh or the dr into getting ds vax'd!

[Deborah]

congratulations on your progress!

You'll be at this for the rest of your life

[astar326]

our apt. went well! dr. did not question our decision to not vax! Thanks again to everyone!

Ophelia i can relate to your struggle with dh. mine is suborn, but as many of you have previously stated, if he didn't do the research he'll have to go with me by default. we have these arguments over other issues too like leaving our son intact (another personal victory for me). dh feels like i always win, but what usually happens is he gives into my side 1st (begrudgingly).
PS. i love your website. what a cutie!

[Ophelia]

Glad to hear that! I would have him watch the Dr. Jay Gordon and Dr. Tenpenny videos. I think for DH's who don't want to research or read the videos are the way to go.

I know what you mean, DH always feels like I 'win' also. He just doesn't get that it is not about winning or losing (I have tried explaining this to him to no avail), but what is best for the child and to make the most well-informed decisions. He wanted to circ also, and said that since I 'won' that 'argument' that he got to decide on vax. After talking, discussing, arguing, etc. he is definitely more informed now (about circ too which he is against now). If we have the chance of having another baby, that baby will not be vaccinated and he is OK with that, at least he's not going to freak out. He is also OK with exposing to chicken pox although I'm not sure he'd feel the same about measles if that came up.
Glad you like the site, thanks!