Dark Energy, the String Theory, physics

[Encinalien]

Supposedly heaven is on a plane where there's no division, where the part of each of us that is pure exists togeather, creating "god" (acronym for "geneology of the divine"). *Supposedly there is a silver cord from the base of our skull that goes to our spirit body which resides in the "astral plane" and a silver cord that goes from our spirit into heaven, where we are all one. *Our conscious mind can travel up and down these cords unless a cord has been cut (?)
Also, supposedly, since the part of us that is god exists in heaven which is outside of time and space we have access to "memories" of events from the future, a memory is semi-time traveling in our minds- we should be able to "remember" the future as well.
**I've heard similar stories from a "caballistic priest", a few "pagans", and a "Druid". *I don't follow any of those three religions. *But I heard this same description again in a Quantum Physics video. *I've heard this description from these four various sources.
I'm really not sure what I believe, this is just the same story I've heard a few times in my life in a few different places.*

[Encinalien]

I posted this and was told it's called the string theory. *Which I then wiki'd. *Turns out it is in fact "the string theory".

I posted a quiestion about what then would be the opposite of "the string theory".

Someone just pm'd me that maybe what I'm looking for is secular humaninism, because "Knowing what you're against is great, but starting to realize what you're FOR is a much nicer feeling. *Secular Humanists are people who used to be Athiests until they realized that Athiests are against God...how can you be against something that doesnt exist? "

[Encinalien]

And while Wiki'ing "the string theory" I happened across "dark energy" which are imaginary particles in physics which nobody has ever observed but which must exist in order for us to explain how some things just gain mass.

LoL it reminded me of a short-lived, very unpopular RPG I played as a teenager called "Changling the Dreaming" where the fairy folk used something called "glamour" it was non-descript dreamstuff that everything in life was made of and it was transmutable.

When I explained "transmutable imaginary physics particles" to dh it reminded him of reiki healing, where you put the general healing into a body and the body applies it to the affected part, it takes the energy and sends it where it needs to go.

[javilu]

okay, i'm not an atheist, but i don't think it means "against god," but is rather more like "nontheist."

[Purple Sage]

The videos you're referencing sound interesting. Got any links?

[Encinalien]

I'm talking about several conversations about several different people over the span of my lifetime. The video I watched that time I don't know the name of it I saw it at my yoga teachers house. It was talking about parallel realities. Anyway I just found out what all these people were talking about is quantum physics.

While I don't remember the name of that one movie I just searched Youtube and came up with a name Michio Kaku. I just watched one, it's kind of the same thinking. Parallel dimensions. I googled it and got refered back to reiki. I think it's more of a word of mouth thing. My yoga teacher's moved and i've moved and we lost touch, so I can't ask her.

But yeah it is interesting.

[Encinalien]

And the utube guy was over my head. I understand the ideas of parallel realities, multiverse, a god that is simply the nothingness that wasn't quite empty before the big bang, I could understand looking for that, but calling it a mathmatical equation, I just don't have the education for that.

Using symbolism to describe it I think I've got a good start at understanding quantum physics theory (especially since I didn't know that's really what I was studying). I'll keep looking, I've got a little extra time on my hands. If anyone else has heard of any of this I'm a little curious.

[GreenGranolaMama]

I was at a friends house and she made a reference to the string theory... I smiled and nodded but had no idea what she was talking about! So I am pretty interested

[mommyshoppinghabit]

Originally Posted by hablame_today

I posted a quiestion about what then would be the opposite of "the string theory".

Well, the other name for string theory is the Unifying Theory. It is the theory that unifies everything. If you think of our world of known 3 dimensions, and then add the fourth dimension of time, everything, everything is dualistic. Situations are both good and bad, are thoughts are both true and not true. For this theory to unify all that is dualistic, well...that really is something, isn't it?
If you had to point out something that explains reality in a different way, it would be Newtonian physics, ie, a rational view of the world. Like, what goes up must come down, etc. It is how most people still see the world.

[xekomaya]

You know, a lot of people taut quantum physics in a way that it comes off as a "spiritual science". What seems like a huge number of these people have no idea of the actual science and have extrapolated theories from small facts. Granted there are some super cool though experiments out there. It sounds like you would do yourself a favor to get at least basic college level text and try to understand. Saying you understand quantum theory without the math is like saying you understand how to spell hippopotamus without having ever seen letters. Frankly, it's kinda bizarre.

[chaoticzenmom]

Hi Hablame. Since I'm the one who PM'd you, I thought I'd join your thread

I guess in the PM, I didn't word it that well. You said you were anti-christian. It's kind of the same as athiest (assuming you don't believe in other gods). The problem is that being both anti-christian and athiest say what you don't believe, but nothing about what you DO believe. What you (me too) are "nonthiest" can only be in comparison to thiests. I don't like that and I'm not alone.

It sounds like you may be looking for more than even secular humanism. Maybe Pagan??? There's a belief survey around here somewhere that can point you in some direction. Maybe beliefnet? I pm'd you because you seemed almost angry about it. I've been there, so I thought I'd point out a different direction you may not have considered or knew existed. Instead of saying "I disagree with that, and that, and that, you may find what you agree with and then it opens up new feelings

I've never heard of the String theory....very interesting.

[Purple Sage]

Originally Posted by xekomaya

You know, a lot of people taut quantum physics in a way that it comes off as a "spiritual science". What seems like a huge number of these people have no idea of the actual science and have extrapolated theories from small facts. Granted there are some super cool though experiments out there. It sounds like you would do yourself a favor to get at least basic college level text and try to understand. Saying you understand quantum theory without the math is like saying you understand how to spell hippopotamus without having ever seen letters. Frankly, it's kinda bizarre.

I don't think anyone here is saying they completely understand quantum physics.

Do you have some understanding of quantum theory that makes you think it isn't "spiritual science" that you can share with us?

I admit that I find the concept completely fascinating but really don't have much of a grasp of it at all.

[xekomaya]

Well my education is several college courses in quantum mechanics + a literature type course where we read a whole pile of math and science writing that covered a bunch of quantum theory separate from the math behind it. I have a degree in math, not physics though.

All of that experience makes me know it is not a spiritual science - but I didn't come into the thread to be argumentative. Find your spirituality wherever you want - doesn't really matter if I think it is rational. I just think maybe you should read some more, start at the beginning, and not be afraid of the math if you really want to understand.

Some books that might help are:

Schrodenger's Kittens and the search for reality

Intro to quantum mechanics by. David Griffiths

[Mountaingirl79]

My dad is a physicist and sent me a DVD of the Nova special "An Elegant Universe." It is a really good way to understand string theory and parallel universes. :-) ( It blew my mind. Really, I think it's amazing)

[Encinalien]

True dat
Lol.
I'm just enjoying contemplating the mysteries and imagining the possibilities. *Ya got me :-)
So where do you keep seeing people explaining quantum physics from a spiritual perspective? *And what kind of super cool experiments? *You know someting we don't know? *Do tell.

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Newtonian theory huh? *That's what dh said. *Well, not with the scientific name. *I said what would be the opposite of what I described (with the undivided energy outside of time and space that's made up of all of us). *Dh said the opposite is "if you can't see it, don't believe it."

Yeah that duality thing, I'm gonna have to think a while on that one. *Depending on the angle of the dangle eating the worm will have a whole different outcome.

[GearGirl]

I recently decided that I wanted to explore String Theory, and then forgot so I'm glad i found this thread!

[ColwynsMommy]

Originally Posted by Mountaingirl79

My dad is a physicist and sent me a DVD of the Nova special "An Elegant Universe." It is a really good way to understand string theory and parallel universes. :-) ( It blew my mind. Really, I think it's amazing)

Brian Greene is the author of the book that the NOVA special was based on. He's a great writer and pretty accessible. You might want to check out his books for more info.

I've got to agree that you shouldn't co-opt a scientific theory for your spirituality unless you have a pretty good understanding of that theory, from a scientific viewpoint. There are books out there that explain the science behind these theories without going into too much math.

[merpk]

This is on-topic yet tangential.

We live in the same neighborhood as a WorldClassScientificResearchInstitution where my DH used to be employed as a chemist. We also live in a religious section of town. While we know a lot of scientists of all stripes, I noticed that there are a particularly large number of religious (read: Orthodox Jewish) physicists.

We've been trying to figure out why such a seemingly statistically unusual number of religious Jews are pulled towards physics; or conversely, why there seem to be a number of physicists who are pulled toward religion.

Haven't figured it out. But this thread is an interesting side road on the way to figuring it out.

Hmmmm.

[xekomaya]

Originally Posted by merpk

We've been trying to figure out why such a seemingly statistically unusual number of religious Jews are pulled towards physics; or conversely, why there seem to be a number of physicists who are pulled toward religion.

My profs used to say when you study physics, you either come to know God or you go insane. This was a secular institution. There was an article some years ago about the scientists who were edging closer and closer to the big bang and learning what existed microseconds before it happened and they all became religious people.

I think most of your answer is tied up in electroweak symmetry breaking and the Higgs boson.

IMO, physics necessitates monotheism and a conscious God.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by Mountaingirl79

My dad is a physicist and sent me a DVD of the Nova special "An Elegant Universe." It is a really good way to understand string theory and parallel universes. :-) ( It blew my mind. Really, I think it's amazing)

Yes. My husband loves the book this was based on. We have read a bit of it together. I would suggest picking it up if you are curious. It is a brain bender but not impossible, IME.