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post #1 of 5
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We are very committed to UP and trying to change our yelling habits, but it just seems harder when faced with 10 yr old and 5 yr old tantrums, as opposed to toddlers. I come here frequently, hoping to find some magical nugget that will help, but the situations I read about are always different ... where are the hormonally challenged pubescent tweens? and how do you parent them without resorting too bribes and punishments?

--janis
dd10 yrs
dd5.75 yrs
dd11 mo - nak
post #2 of 5
I need help here as well.

I have a 9 year old and a six year old.

For now I try to let them cool down and then later when I and they are calm, listen to them and talk about it. Brainstorm solutions together. Really hear their side.

Rereading How to Talk So Your Kids will Listen always helps. I have also been recommended a book called The Nurtured Heart Approach which I have bought but haven't read yet.

But in the moment I have been known to threaten to take away a privilege.

What do you do when you ask them to stop several times (climbing on your sister, screaming, go get ready for bed, etc.) and they refuse?

Anyone?
post #3 of 5
Ours are 17 and 20. In the short term, we've gotten between them physically. When their traffic is verbal, we hit the bottom line for both of them and keep repeating it -- whether it's name-calling or manipulation or a violated boundary -- and just try to point out the damage it does rather than paying attention to the perp through blaming, etc. It's hard not sounding like we're taking sides, so we focus on the behavior and what the more vulnerable party needs ("you're screaming and looming over your sibling. that intimidates people." "you're manipulating and provoking your sibling. that use of control as a weapon is cruel and alienating." in a calm voice. while getting and staying between them.) There's a lot of talking way after the fact and after everyone's cooled down. As pp said, a LOT of listening to them -- I cannot stress that enough.

The long term approach has been our attempt to make our home respectful. We tried to live up to what they need rather than making them live up to what we need. They hear an imperative from us maybe once a year, almost exclusively about a health or safety issue, and that kind of helps maintain our moral capital.

A main reason we don't resort to threats or bribes? They would see right through us, smolder with resentment, call us on the injustice, and dismiss us completely. It's not that DH and I are highly evolved, it's that the kids are.
post #4 of 5
Excellent post Maria. Mine are 8 & 10, and they share a room, and we live in a 900 sq ft apartment. They bicker all the time, but I have gotten a lot of help from The Daily Groove by Scott Noelle. It's a daily email that is short and concise, about how to reframe your approach and thoughts to work with your kids. I love it!
post #5 of 5
honestly for me - gentle discipline is all about me. taking care of me and my frustrations. in my situation THAT is KEY!!!!! if i am at a good place myself - i do awesome. those things that would bother me at other times dont phase me and with the use of funny sarcasm or honest expression of my feelings i am able deal well.

so really in my world it really isnt about the kids. its all about me. even my dd noticed it. when she was hormonal at 5 i remember one time she called me on it. mama i am not making you mad. you are making yourself mad. i am not behaving any differently than i behaved yesterday. but today you are more angry with me. why is that. what is going on in your world that is making you angry. - oooh i sooo remember that moment. when anger just drained out of me and i learnt a huge lesson.

the other thing that helped me much, much more than how to talk to your kids book, was learning NVC - nonviolent communication or compassionate communication. because i wasnt trying to change others. but i was trying to change myself. its a hard concept to truly get and many dont get it. but after years of practise session i am finally getting the hang of it.
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