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wwyd - sleep "training" 8 month old twin DDs

post #1 of 6
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We're going home for a long visit to my parents tomorrow. My mom and DH will both be on vacation at the same time. I'm hoping to do some sort of sleep "training" during these next two weeks, since it's the only chance I'll have for so much overnight help. (no CIO-type stuff, obviously, and we'll wait a few days for them to settle in before trying anything)

Current set-up: I nurse to sleep or the girls are walked to sleep by DH in the carrier, then they're put down in a guest room. DH watches them for a few hours, till around midnight. They wake every 45 min to 1.5 hours at most (avg. 1 hr) and he tries to settle them (rocking, walking, shushing). If he can't without them crying (which is what usually happens), he brings them to me, I nurse them for a couple of minutes, he takes them back. Midnight to 5 or 6am, they co-sleep with me in our queen bed (one DD on each side, me in the middle). They wake even more often, sometimes as often as 20-30 minutes, nurse and go back to sleep. At 5 or 6am the nanny takes them and does what DH did for the first part of the night.

We didn't have a nanny at night until a couple of weeks ago, when I just couldn't take it anymore. Before then, I had them most of the night - 9-10 hours. The problem is that they nurse back to sleep, but they never unlatch, and I'm so tired, I fall asleep with them as they nurse - if I don't, I have no other chance to sleep. So I wake up when the other DD wakes to nurse, then I have to try to quickly unlatch the first without disturbing her. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't - if it doesn't I have to sit up in bed to tandem nurse them both and then somehow get them back down.

This set up is really hard on my back (I have scoliosis and had chronic back pain long before I was even pregnant) - sleeping only while side lying nursing, squished between two babies, tossing and turning all night, hunching over them to tandem nurse when they both wake up. Not to mention the sleep is horrible.

This has been going on for two months. Before then, until the girls were 6 months old, we were with my parents, and they slept in a crib next to my bed. My parents helped me overnight, and the girls woke every 2-3 hours. When we came back here, I didn't have the overnight help, so I brought them to bed with me - I believe the more frequent wakings are a result of that.

They wake 30-45 mins. into their naps as well, at which point if I can catch them fast enough, I nurse them back down or the nanny picks them up and rocks them back to sleep. In fact, the whole reason we have a nanny is to help them sleep!! - It's impossible to put them to sleep or keep them asleep without help.

We don't have a routine at all, which I know isn't good - I have no idea how to make one because my whole day is spent putting babies to sleep and trying to keep them asleep. In between, I feed them and try to feed myself.

The constant pain and major sleep deprivation is seriously taking a toll on me, most especially in regards to my relationship with DH. Something needs to change, I'm in a really bad place right now.

Any suggestions on how I can use the next two weeks to improve the situation? I'd love for them to wake less often - when you have two babies waking hourly, and not always at the same time, you're sleeping just minutes between wakings...Ultimately though, I need to be able to take care of the nighttime on my own - DH can help till midnight, then I'm on my own.

Thanks in advance!!
post #2 of 6
I'd read the No Cry Sleep Solution and Sleepless in America before laying any plans. Also, be clear with all your helpers that CIO is not an option for your children. They are so young that they really do need a lot of milk and their bodies just don't sleep as long as adults yet, much less their little tummies.

Can you encourage more nursing in the pre-midnight timeframe? Can you wake the girls up to eat if one is going to so you don't trade off?

I do have to say though that in my experience the 8-10 month old sleep regressions are the hardest time to do any sort of routine because there is a lot of variable as they learn to crawl, etc. I think in your situation I'd use this extra help time to take some daytime naps to make up for lost sleep at other times. In the day can the girls get breastmilk bottled so you can get a solid 2-3 hour nap?

I have a close friend who nursed her twin DDs and she said she felt like she woke up from a fog at about 18 months old. There was never an "only" her time because her DH had to work - he did a FT job and FT Masters Program but got up to help at each feeding because the truth was the help was needed and she had to be awake/aware enough to parent and keep those babies safe each day. I think the extra help you are getting with a nurse to help facilitate night feedings and help around for naps, etc. may give you a boost of energy to get through this time.

s
post #3 of 6
Hugs mama!
It's hard. Sometimes it's just really freakin' hard, huh? I have to wholeheartedly agree with the PP that you are in the Bermuda Triangle of twin sleep. I would almost swear that if you were to look through the "desperate" posts, most are in this time frame. We are now at 20 months, and yes, it was almost exactly at 18 months that I woke up out of my fog.
I am so glad that you have help now. This is a really hard time. Keep it as long as you can. I do believe that "this too shall pass". Truly. I don't know if there is anything better right now than to take the 2 weeks and pump so that they are bottle fed and put to sleep by the others while you just sleep as much as you can. Rest and rejuvenate, in my opinion.
Eat a lot of good food, get a little bit of exercise (it will help make the futility easier to handle ) and let your little ones be where they are.
I always laughed at anyone's post about "schedules" b/c although we all have one, I could never articulate mine, as my days just felt like big runny messes of endless nursing and trying to get my girls to sleep, and eating some food, and either procuring food or cooking it. And I did work too, but that's another thing. These are some of the hardest times you are looking at right now, and it will pass. You will end up with children who can sleep better and easier, but I don't think that's now. (I am, however, fully behind you if you do choose to try something anyway, just sharing my experience and what seems like a lot of MoMs experience as well).
Last bit of advice is to feed them some fatty food before sleeping. Avocado is best. However, if your twins are like mine, they don't eat avocado and didn't do solids until about 13 months! Whenever my girls woke frequently to eat, I just tried to take it as a sign that they knew what they were doing, and they were getting my body to up the production.
Welcome to the multiples forum, and I'll look forward to hearing more from you!
post #4 of 6
great advice as always Mamaeliz. Also, want to reaffirm that 8 months-ish is a time when babies sleep less because their brains are working on some serious wiring....
post #5 of 6
Ugh! I remember 8-10 months was sooo hard with DD, and there's only one of her. I hope you are able to find a workable solution.
post #6 of 6
The 8 - 10 month time span is a doozy... I think that any sleep training at this point will be fruitless and painful for all parties involved. I would take this time to get some help and catch a little more rest if possible.

mama I know it doesnt seem like it ends, but I swear it does.... eventually.
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