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post #1 of 16
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I did something really foolish a couple of weeks ago. DH goes to the library for books for DS pretty regularly, and he doesn't really screen things that he brings home all that closely. Two weeks ago, he brought home a book about bats because they've been an interest of DS's lately. DS asked me to read the book to him and I was glad to do it, but the subject matter was definitely for an older audience. DS is just over 2.5, and in the book, a mama bat is attacked by an owl and doesn't make it back to her baby. It gets a little graphic about the baby being tired (exhausted, actually) and hungry and alone for three days before another mama who lost her baby takes in the first (alone, exhausted, distressed) baby.

I'm usually really good at editing on the fly, but for some reason this time, I didn't. We read the book right before bed one night, and then he asked to read it again the next morning. I am kicking myself over this, but I did read it and did not edit it (WHY???), and when it got to the part that described the baby bat all alone looking for its mother, DS's face just crumpled and he started sobbing about why it didn't have a mama. I stopped reading and we sent that book back to the library.

Since then, DS has been concerned to the point of sobbing if he doesn't know where I am (which is rare, since I SAH), and has been a little extra vulnerable.

I am at a loss as to how to discuss this with him. I think it's far too soon to get into the specifics of death and loss, especially where babies and mamas are concerned, and I wish that I had been more careful with that book.

Does anyone have any suggestions for how I might talk to him about this? He's asked about our kitties and when they'll die (two of them are nearly 17), but that's a casual conversation for him, it doesn't have a lot of meaning--we've talked about how they're getting old and when they get really really old, their bodies are tired and they stop working, and then the kitties will be gone, but I have no idea how to sort through this mama baby stuff. I really wish I had never picked up that book.
post #2 of 16
Stellaluna? That was a favorite of my dd, even at that age. It ends up ok in the end. Personally, I think young kids can handle sad stories. My dd loved that one.
post #3 of 16
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Stellaluna? That was a favorite of my dd, even at that age. It ends up ok in the end. Personally, I think young kids can handle sad stories. My dd loved that one.
Nope. Not Stellaluna, DH brought that home from the bookstore in the hopes that a happier bat story would sort of erase the other one. The book was, I think, intended more for the 8-10 y.o. set, and was part narrative of baby/mama bat, part factual information about bats.

ETA: Sad is one thing, surely, but the book I read was pretty graphic about the orphaned bat being pushed around by other mamas looking for their babies, and about the baby bat searching for it's mama and trying to cling to the ceiling rather than falling down to the hungry beetles on the floor of the cave, and about the bat crawling around, half starved and exhausted, searching for its mother. Stellaluna is a walk in the park, compared.

ETA again: And I'm an a** for reading it, I don't know why, except that we started it and it seemed pretty reasonable, until the mama bat was caught by the owl.
post #4 of 16
Aw. You know, I'm not sure if you need to have a conversation about it or not. If for the next couple weeks you are extra mindful of making sure he feels secure in knowing where you are, give extra snuggles, etc., he may stop worrying about it and move on to thinking of something else. Maybe even try introducing a new unrelated concept that will interest him without causing anxiety?

It's tempting sometimes to offer false security when kids are anxious and don't understand certain things, but I try to avoid saying things like "I'll never leave you" or "I'll never let anything bad happen to you" or any promises like that about things that are not in our control. And explaining the things that could happen is too much at that age IMO. I think just saying things like "I'm right here" when he seems worried would be the best I could do in that situation - not making a big deal of it but just being patient if he's clingier than usual since you know the reason.
post #5 of 16
I have no advice, but just reading your description of that book made me . Yikes.
post #6 of 16
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not making a big deal of it but just being patient if he's clingier than usual since you know the reason.
I agree with this.

I find that my kids emotions often feed off my emotions, and that can be good or bad, depending.

I would have probably continued the book, and then had a calm talk for as long as he wanted about it, about sad things happening, etc. I really don't think you are a bad mom for reading it. Maybe some would differ with me, idk. But we have always been very open with our kids about this stuff, and it hasn't warped them so far.
post #7 of 16
Stay at ease when he cries like that and let him know with words or body language that it's okay to cry/have these emotions. Don't try to fix it or shush him. Be comforting. Discuss. If he's having a moment when he's upset about it, verbalize what you think he might be feeling, but can't put into words. Since it's been a couple of weeks and he's still clingy, maybe he needs to work this out some more.
post #8 of 16
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Thank you for the replies. I guess I've pretty much done what everyone is suggesting, as far as trying to acknowledge his feelings mostly by guessing, as in, "Are you sad because you didn't know where I was? Is that scary?..." That kind of thing.

bumblecat, I'm totally with you on not offering a false sense of security, that's why I'm so turned around about this; I want to say to him, "I'll always be here..." but I can't necessarily make that true, so I've been struggling with how to deal with this before it's really time/he's able to have any sense of understanding. We were definitely both in tears when we were reading that book, which is just one more reason why I can't for the life of me figure out why I didn't do a better job of editing or interrupting the story. I just think that applying the vagaries of life and death where one's mama is concerned is something that many adults are not prepared for and it certainly isn't a necessary subject to introduce to a toddler, without reason.

I'm just so sad to have introduced that level of worry to my little one without any immediate reason. Every once in a while, I end up feeling like a bystander even while my inactivity is allowing some sort of negative consequence and I can't for the life of me figure out why that happens.
post #9 of 16
With my DD, I'd go get the same book out of the library and read it as many times, un-edited, as she needed to be able to process it.

2.5yo isn't too young for that kind of book IMO. But it might need to be read many times a day for many days until he's able to anticipate that it's going to work out in the end.

We don't "edit" stuff like that. I don't see the point. Like isn't all fun and roses, and I'd rather introduce that while I'm there to answer her questions and reassure her.
post #10 of 16
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With my DD, I'd go get the same book out of the library and read it as many times, un-edited, as she needed to be able to process it.

2.5yo isn't too young for that kind of book IMO. But it might need to be read many times a day for many days until he's able to anticipate that it's going to work out in the end.

We don't "edit" stuff like that. I don't see the point. Like isn't all fun and roses, and I'd rather introduce that while I'm there to answer her questions and reassure her.
I think it's great that you're comfortable with that, but I don't feel that reality needs to be that graphic for DS at this age. He is very verbal, but I would rather process things like this when I am more confident of his vocabulary/ability to express himself. I have no problem talking about death and dying or predatory animals and their prey or animals that we kill --directly or not-- and eat (DS knows the difference between our laying hens and grandma's eating hens), but I don't think he's old enough for dead mamas and abandoned/dead/dying babies. It's not all unicorns and rainbows over here, but that's just too much, in my opinion, for his age/abilities. I wouldn't resist an opportunity to cover this issue if we found an orphaned kitten or something like that, but I think he would process that better via involvement.
post #11 of 16
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It's tempting sometimes to offer false security when kids are anxious and don't understand certain things, but I try to avoid saying things like "I'll never leave you" or "I'll never let anything bad happen to you" or any promises like that about things that are not in our control. And explaining the things that could happen is too much at that age IMO. I think just saying things like "I'm right here" when he seems worried would be the best I could do in that situation - not making a big deal of it but just being patient if he's clingier than usual since you know the reason.


I'm the same way with my lo's.

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Thank you for the replies. I guess I've pretty much done what everyone is suggesting, as far as trying to acknowledge his feelings mostly by guessing, as in, "Are you sad because you didn't know where I was? Is that scary?..." That kind of thing.

bumblecat, I'm totally with you on not offering a false sense of security, that's why I'm so turned around about this; I want to say to him, "I'll always be here..." but I can't necessarily make that true, so I've been struggling with how to deal with this before it's really time/he's able to have any sense of understanding. We were definitely both in tears when we were reading that book, which is just one more reason why I can't for the life of me figure out why I didn't do a better job of editing or interrupting the story. I just think that applying the vagaries of life and death where one's mama is concerned is something that many adults are not prepared for and it certainly isn't a necessary subject to introduce to a toddler, without reason.

I'm just so sad to have introduced that level of worry to my little one without any immediate reason. Every once in a while, I end up feeling like a bystander even while my inactivity is allowing some sort of negative consequence and I can't for the life of me figure out why that happens.
That sounds like an awful book for someone so young BUT please stop beating yourself up about it your little boy is going to get over this. Perhaps it's triggered a phase and it will pass. When my dd was 3.5 she became a little obsessed with death and dying and was very worried about it. We'd explain things to her and answer her questions over and over, and soon she moved on from the subject.

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With my DD, I'd go get the same book out of the library and read it as many times, un-edited, as she needed to be able to process it.

2.5yo isn't too young for that kind of book IMO. But it might need to be read many times a day for many days until he's able to anticipate that it's going to work out in the end.

We don't "edit" stuff like that. I don't see the point. Like isn't all fun and roses, and I'd rather introduce that while I'm there to answer her questions and reassure her.
While this sounds logical to a point, I do think that seeing as her little boy is so upset with this book, that it would be a bit tormenting to use this tactic. He may end up dreading reading books as a result.

I know life isn't all fun and roses, even for lo's, and being there to answer questions is vital, ITA with that. Growing up with a false view of life would not be healthy by any means.
post #12 of 16
There is a book called "Owl Babies" (we have it in a board book but it might be available as a picture book too) that might be a good one to read that might undo some of the separation anxiety damage. In it, three baby owls wake up alone in the nest and they progressively begin to worry about where their mama is. At the end, the mama returns and tells them that she was getting food and that she always comes back. The theme of the book really reinforces the idea that while mama sometimes has to go do something, she comes back at the end.
post #13 of 16
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I'm totally with you on not offering a false sense of security, that's why I'm so turned around about this; I want to say to him, "I'll always be here..." but I can't necessarily make that true, so I've been struggling with how to deal with this before it's really time/he's able to have any sense of understanding.
Oh, it's so heartrending isn't it? My dd dissolved in a puddle on the ground one day when I tried to leave her for a minute (because she was being stubborn and wouldn't come with me) crying "But mommy, I afraid you die!" She was 2.5 too and I was totally caught off guard and stunned. My compromise response to the "I'll always be here" thing was to tell her "I will ALWAYS love you." Which is true. I WILL always love her. Even after I am dead (whatever that means, but I can't imagine that love ever goes away). I told her "I will always love you. Even after I die. And I will always be in your heart and your dreams. But I don't plan on dying any time soon. Even when you can't see me, I'm very careful to keep myself safe. I love you now and I will always love you."

Good luck with it--I hope your ds feels better soon!
post #14 of 16
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Oh, it's so heartrending isn't it? My dd dissolved in a puddle on the ground one day when I tried to leave her for a minute (because she was being stubborn and wouldn't come with me) crying "But mommy, I afraid you die!" She was 2.5 too and I was totally caught off guard and stunned. My compromise response to the "I'll always be here" thing was to tell her "I will ALWAYS love you." Which is true. I WILL always love her. Even after I am dead (whatever that means, but I can't imagine that love ever goes away). I told her "I will always love you. Even after I die. And I will always be in your heart and your dreams. But I don't plan on dying any time soon. Even when you can't see me, I'm very careful to keep myself safe. I love you now and I will always love you."

Good luck with it--I hope your ds feels better soon!
Thank you so much for sharing that with me, I like the words that you chose and the way that allows for focus on what is, rather than what might be. Your post is very helpful!
post #15 of 16
first let me say your son is getting close to the age when kids bring up death.

when dd did the first thing i did was ask her who she would like to live with if i died. and seh chose my bf.

you are doing the right thing. hang in there. only answer your son's questions. let him bring up the topic.

and yes i agree as pps said. being sad is not bad. its a means of figuring out how to handle grief.

let me tell you i have met adults who dont know how to handle their grief and when they are faced with death of a loved one they are a complete mess.
post #16 of 16
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Thank you so much for sharing that with me, I like the words that you chose and the way that allows for focus on what is, rather than what might be. Your post is very helpful!
Oh good, I'm so glad it's helpful! I hope you're able to have some good conversations with your son. Let us know
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