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post #21 of 62
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Large doses of vit C and selenium (RDA 200mcg) help to bind circulating mercury for safe excretion.

Support the natural detoxification pathways with nutrients, without adding supplements which enhance and increase the toxins to baby.

Pat
Thank you..any recommendation for vit C and selenium (I know you mentioned that sodium selenate drops (200 mcg) which I already have is not a good source)

I was never into supplements till now and hope to rebound back..its just very hard for me to shift from being a vegetarian...are boxed vegetable broths any good?

Found your old post http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...03&postcount=2 and its a wake up call for me! Thank you so much!
post #22 of 62
Jarrow's SeleNext is the active form: methylselenocysteine
post #23 of 62
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Jarrow's SeleNext is the active form: methylselenocysteine
Jane, you use words I have to look up every time I read your posts.


Pat
post #24 of 62
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Thank you..any recommendation for vit C and selenium (I know you mentioned that sodium selenate drops (200 mcg) which I already have is not a good source)

I was never into supplements till now and hope to rebound back..its just very hard for me to shift from being a vegetarian...are boxed vegetable broths any good?
Any vit C is good enough when you are feeling bad and circulating mercury. I don't know of one without corn. Sodium ascorbate is best vit C cause it is buffered. But, the issue is you need a lot of vit C. You have a lot of magnesium sources though also and either/both can cause diarrhea. You don't need that too!

The caution with selenium is the amount. Be careful that your multiple supplements don't add up to more than 200mcg per day.

Boxed vegetable broth is dead food, basically, imo. You are wanting the minerals from the bones in bone broth. The B-vitamins are cooked out, essentially.

Highly regarded supplement sources are Brainchilds Nutritionals, Thorne, Perque.
http://www.brainchildnutritionals.com/Megaminsx.html
http://www.thorne.com/AST/Products/Vitamins.jsp
http://www.vitamins-today.com/perque_products.html


Pat
post #25 of 62
Twinlab Allergy C is corn free and taken on an empty stomach the ingredients react to form sodium ascorbate.
post #26 of 62
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Jane, you use words I have to look up every time I read your posts.


Pat
and I only spelled it right b/c I looked it up!
post #27 of 62
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I retried the Multivitamin and had about quarter of the dosage yesterday. I took calcium (Calcium magnesium citrate from Bluebonnet). I had very watery stool this morning and my son has had 5 watery poops since midnight (its still 12 noon here). His poops are very mucousy with lots of bloody streaks in them. Looks like the formulation is not going well with us
I worst part it comes with 3 months supply and I don't have any more money for new trials (

For now, I plan to take my old prenatal vitamin which I already have some left
http://www.duetdha.com/providers/rx_info.asp and try to fix the mercury issue by upping additional B12, zinc, magnesium, selenium.

Is there any active form of Magnesium and Zinc too? If yes, please let me know.

Thank you all for helping me so much..
post #28 of 62
What is the dose on the multi you tried today? One a day or three a day?

The old prenatal has a lot of extra junk ingredients in it.

Could you break today's multi into 1/2? It has a lot of magnesium in it. You might have to work up to that amount, or take a partial dose, or alternate them?

Yes, with the prenatal you'd need extra mag and selenium. The zinc is not the ideal form, iirc.


Pat
post #29 of 62
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What is the dose on the multi you tried today? One a day or three a day?

The old prenatal has a lot of extra junk ingredients in it.

Could you break today's multi into 1/2? It has a lot of magnesium in it. You might have to work up to that amount, or take a partial dose, or alternate them?

Yes, with the prenatal you'd need extra mag and selenium. The zinc is not the ideal form, iirc.


Pat
I had 1/2 tsp of multivitamin..the recommended dosage for me was 2 tsp a day. I can try 1/4 tsp with my old multivitamin? If this does not work, I need to see wether its sensible to get many individual vitamins or go for single multivitamin (Thorne)..but prep myself for a vent from dh

Re..junk in old prenatal..I chose it among the many samples given becoz it had good amount of Vit B12...looks like I was heading in right direction wearing the wrong shoes
post #30 of 62
I haven't had time to read all the responses, so forgive me if I repeat anything.

3 thoughts: First, I have trouble digesting proteins as well, and Garden of Life Omegazyme takes care of that just fine.

Second, your stress may be affecting DS more than anything you eat. (I say this from past experience. )At any rate, the problem may have nothing to do with your diet. Women in 3rd world countries who are on the verge of malnutrition breastfeed their babies w/o all those kinds of problems.

Third, although I do not believe that a vegan diet is healthy, I also don't understand how a balanced vegetarian diet with a good B12 source (for vegans--Dr. Mercola sells a good one), a trace mineral supplement (such as ConcenTrace liquid sea minerals) and a probiotic supplement couldn't take care of most of your nutritional deficiencies.

What your doctor has prescribed seems like overkill.

PS--You also will not absorb nutrients well if you are in a state of anxiety when you take them, no matter how good the source.
post #31 of 62
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PS--You also will not absorb nutrients well if you are in a state of anxiety when you take them, no matter how good the source.
Thanks for your inputs and I have to agree with you. I had very rough pregnancy and had slipped into high risk category with heavy chances of losing my baby..my anxiety levels have not dropped since then and till date I get nightmares of losing my baby. I have to work on it
post #32 of 62

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Hi! I have an allergy baby myself and was formerly a vegetarian so understand your feelings about this. To my mind, the vitamin prescriptions seem a bit overkill, and may be complicating the issue. I also tried various digestive enzymes (even prescription) with no positive impact on my DD's blood in her diapers. They seemed to upset her stomach and make her spit up even more. (Pancreatic enzymes were less damaging but didn't help either.) For us, the most helpful thing was putting my DD on Klaire infant probiotics. The visible blood went away for us within two days.

As for your diet, it sounds as though it would really be good if you could find more "Grains" or pseudograins to consume. I'm currently on a rotation of Millet, Quinoa, and Amaranth, and intend to try adding sorghum and perhaps buckwheat in the future. Quinoa and Amaranth should be especially good for you as they are naturally complete proteins or very close to it. These are vary rare as allergens. Rice and potatoes turned out to be a problem for us, so I had to find alternatives quickly. Bob's Red Mill sells all of these grains from their gluten-free production line. However, you may wish to find quinoa elsewhere as it is cheaper through other companies.

I firmly believe that a vegetarian diet can easily be healthful and that we do not ordinarily need to consume meat products to have good health. However, with the many restrictions I am currently on (no dairy, egg, soy, nuts, beans) it was not possible for me to continue being a strict vegetarian. I did add two seeds to my diet- sunflower seed and pumpkin seed, and they have been very helpful as additional sources of protein besides the meat which I am reluctantly eating. For us, turkey was not a possibility because I was allergic as a child. I tried lamb with a very bad reaction from the DD, and chicken with a lesser reaction. Seafood did not work for us. Buffalo, which I had never had before, does not seem to provoke a reaction from the DD. I am currently trialling other options. With the high nutrition from my pseudo-grains and seeds, I am able to limit my meat consumption to once every three days, which while not ideal does seem to be helping me maintain my energy and health. I look forward to returning to my vegetarian diet once my breastfeeding journey is over- but I found that ultimately, for me personally my DD's health and our breastfeeding relationship was the thing I most needed to focus on.

As far as calories and fats- one thing I had to do which may not be generally recommended was up my consumption of oils. Olive oil and canola oil became a big staple helping me raise calorie consumption and stay "full." I also tried coconut milk and coconut oil recently with seeming success and these are good sources of calories as well. Dense snacks like raisins, dried apples, grape juice and apple juice also helped.

Even with trying to eat as much as possible, on this limited diet I lost all of my pre-pregnancy weight QUICKLY, and I look skinnier than I have in a long time. Most people do seem to report that after dropping the weight they do reach a point where they stay at a certain weight- but you do need to make an effort to consume as much of the tolerated foods as possible. I hope you can get through this difficult time and continue breastfeeding your little one, whether or not you decide to consume animal products. Good luck and best wishes and good health to you!!!

-Sea
post #33 of 62
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Update on HCL/Enzymes

Thanks Sea for adding your experience. I'm happy to hear that you are able to strike a balance and somehow reach the baseline. Unfortunately for us, my DS gets lots of blood in stools when I try quinoa. I thought he was doing fine with amaranth grain, but soon realized that those were bothering him too. I have successfully added sorghum now in my rotation diet of buckwheat, corn, sorghum (on 4th day I use tapioca pearls..hope to get a replacement for this soon). I will order Klair lab probiotics for my DS as soon as I can.

I had this weird cramps in my stomach and it was similar to menstural cramps but way up in belly. I stopped HCL and went to lower strength digestive enzymes and I had almost immediate relief. No cramps since then. I have been using HCL for more than a month till now. Does that mean HCL was not required in first place and it was damaging my stomach lining slowly to a point where I could feel it? Or has my natural HCL production kicked in after trialling HCL? Any ideas?

As my first step towards healing, I got a box of chicken stock to be used in my cooking...I thinking of trying chicken bone broth (Beef and Pork are big no-no due to religious reasons). Will chicken bone broth have same benefits as grass-fed cow's bones? I have also ordered for FCLO caps. How soon can I feel the healing progress once I start these?
post #34 of 62
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I had this weird cramps in my stomach and it was similar to menstural cramps but way up in belly. I stopped HCL and went to lower strength digestive enzymes and I had almost immediate relief. No cramps since then. I have been using HCL for more than a month till now. Does that mean HCL was not required in first place and it was damaging my stomach lining slowly to a point where I could feel it? Or has my natural HCL production kicked in after trialling HCL? Any ideas?

The goal on HCL is to lower it when your own supplies start kicking in. So, you slowly lower it when you start to feel discomfort. I never experienced that when I was on them, and it is making me wonder if I should be considering them again.

good for you for listening to your body, recognizing a problem and figuring out that reducing was the answer.
post #35 of 62
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post #36 of 62
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Update

My third retry attempt on Multivitamin formulation failed again. My was in terrible pain even when I took 1/4 of recommended dosage. I don't understand why both of us are bothered by this personalized multivitamin formulation.

I have Jarrow's selenext, B12 with me but need good source of Zinc, Folate and Magnesium. I have added some food sources for folate and Zinc, but still way below the recommended dosage. Any ideas?

Can you be IgG intolerant to foods which you have never had/had long time back? My food sensitivity test shows I am highly sensitive to chicken which I have never had so far...does it make sense if I take chicken bone broth now with this result? I am wondering because my son is always miserable irrespective of all my diets, trials..I'm even begining to look like a mad scientist in kitchen
post #37 of 62
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My third retry attempt on Multivitamin formulation failed again. My was in terrible pain even when I took 1/4 of recommended dosage. I don't understand why both of us are bothered by this personalized multivitamin formulation.
Where is the pain from the mvi? headache, stomach? Or baby? I'm confused. If baby, then probably detox issues. I'd take sauerkraut and zinc to improve digestion.

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I have Jarrow's selenext, B12 with me but need good source of Zinc, Folate and Magnesium. I have added some food sources for folate and Zinc, but still way below the recommended dosage. Any ideas?
Thorne has 5-MTHF. Zinc picolate, irrc is most absorbable. Food nutrients are more bio-available. Magnesium citrate, Natural Calm and Epsom salt baths for mag. Also Nettles and bone broth. Pumpkin seeds for zinc. Greens, beans, liver for folate.

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Can you be IgG intolerant to foods which you have never had/had long time back? My food sensitivity test shows I am highly sensitive to chicken which I have never had so far...does it make sense if I take chicken bone broth now with this result? I am wondering because my son is always miserable irrespective of all my diets, trials..I'm even beginning to look like a mad scientist in kitchen
Chickens have GMO-soy and GMO-corn in their feed. I'm not sure how that may relate to IgG testing, however. Chicken stock is probably used ubiquitously, so prior exposure is possible. But, the intolerance has more to do with leaky gut issues than protein exposure. Animal protein is harder to digest. Broth should not be an issue, as it is cooked and the proteins are broken down into amino acids. Eating raw greens alongside could help to provide necessary enzymes for digestion.

Pat
post #38 of 62
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My third retry attempt on Multivitamin formulation failed again. My was in terrible pain even when I took 1/4 of recommended dosage. I don't understand why both of us are bothered by this personalized multivitamin formulation.

I have Jarrow's selenext, B12 with me but need good source of Zinc, Folate and Magnesium. I have added some food sources for folate and Zinc, but still way below the recommended dosage. Any ideas?
Our bodies aren't designed to process arbitrary multivitamin formulas, I don't care how "whole food" or "raw" they are. Our bodies are designed to process real foods.

I recommend you check out SynBioFood, either at trinisol.com or ewater.com. If you can wade through all the unfortunately technical verbage, what it comes down to is a supplement that is formulated from fermented whole foods. You can't depend on it for calcium and magnesium, but it provides a lot of other good stuff in a completely natural form.

I recommend Liquiminerals Concentrace for magnesium (it's very high in mag), which also provides the entire array of trace minerals as well. Comes from de-salted sea water, so also a natural source.
post #39 of 62
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Where is the pain from the mvi? headache, stomach? Or baby? I'm confused. If baby, then probably detox issues. I'd take sauerkraut and zinc to improve digestion.

Thorne has 5-MTHF. Zinc picolate, irrc is most absorbable. Food nutrients are more bio-available. Magnesium citrate, Natural Calm and Epsom salt baths for mag. Also Nettles and bone broth. Pumpkin seeds for zinc. Greens, beans, liver for folate.



Chickens have GMO-soy and GMO-corn in their feed. I'm not sure how that may relate to IgG testing, however. Chicken stock is probably used ubiquitously, so prior exposure is possible. But, the intolerance has more to do with leaky gut issues than protein exposure. Animal protein is harder to digest. Broth should not be an issue, as it is cooked and the proteins are broken down into amino acids. Eating raw greens alongside could help to provide necessary enzymes for digestion.

Pat
Oh..I meant to say that my son was in terrible pain. He did not nap for than 10 min in day time and in night he woke up about every 15 minutes shrieking in pain (reminded me the time on his 2 monthly vaccination shots where in he was shrieking like this whole night). He was pulling his legs up and passing lots of gas. He has been very gassy ever since I am on various supplements..but that night it seemed that it was painful for him to pass gas. I got him to our bed as he was up every 15 min or so and tried to nurse him ..he was not even interested in nursing. It was like a horror night. I was hyper gassy too. I notice that there is link when I get hyper gassy, my son gets painfully gassy too.

I never had any chicken stock, broth or any thing to do with chicken my whole life. I mainly cook at home and eat at vegetarain restaurants. The closest I came was having occassional cakes and cookies which had eggs. I was surprised to see high sensitivity to chicken in IgG tests. Wondering if its ok to eat chicken for protein source now.

I have to take enzymes with food as I see less undigested matter in my stools. I have noticed that when I add fermented veggies or probiotics along with enzymes, I get gassy. Arrh..its so confusing..I have both protein malabsorption and bacterial dysbiosis and I don't know how to solve both with a single stoke.

I am also convinced that my nutritional deficiencies, malasorption and dysbiosis are the root cause for all my son's issues. How to treat them all together? I need some multivit fill the gap during my stange diet..I wish I can go back and add atleast dairy, legumes
post #40 of 62
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Our bodies aren't designed to process arbitrary multivitamin formulas, I don't care how "whole food" or "raw" they are. Our bodies are designed to process real foods.

I recommend you check out SynBioFood, either at trinisol.com or ewater.com. If you can wade through all the unfortunately technical verbage, what it comes down to is a supplement that is formulated from fermented whole foods. You can't depend on it for calcium and magnesium, but it provides a lot of other good stuff in a completely natural form.

I recommend Liquiminerals Concentrace for magnesium (it's very high in mag), which also provides the entire array of trace minerals as well. Comes from de-salted sea water, so also a natural source.
Thank you

I never had supplements in my life..closest was prenatal vitamins. I am on this extreme diet and still holding on to bf my son. I am at loss to know how to diet and still resolve the present issues with my son. It is very hard for me to eat meat products and then not feel guilty about it
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