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post #61 of 92
i really don't care that much about gender stareotyping. i have three really girly girls and liked dressing them up all girly but for reals, must everything have a flower or lady bug or kitten on it!!!! I mean I don't mind haveing a floral outfit, a shirt with kittens, and a ladybug dress but for crying out loud, does it need to fill her whole closet? must everything have pink in the mix?

I can imagine that same frustration arises with boys. when I worked in a childrens clothing store everything, on either side of the isle, was exactly the same and the same as everything else every where else and you get to the 12 month size and hit a wall of footballs and dinosaurs. (which by the way ios perfectly average for a baby your sons age. when people asked about sizes we recommended they buy something in twice their age. so the average six month old wears a 12 month size) Come to think of it I worked in that clothing store 11 years ago and it was the same dang themes!!

So my recomendations are gap (they have layette for bigger babies!! Thier sizes run much bigger than say, gerber or carters). and old navy. patagonia has some cute stuff up into bigger sizes. Target often has some basics. walmart and kmart both have a line of inexpensive basics. but you are still looking at pants and shirts. I guess my kids pretty much lived in gap overalls until they potty trained. Those things lasted forever and fit through like three sizes. and fit over cloth diapers. I could girly them up with cute shoes and tops. we could go completely gender neutral if we wanted to. (I was much more gender neutral with my first than I was my last. After Ava I gave up on ever needing to pass down to a son....) . Carters often has some basics too and they sometimes have fun with colors. for jeans I like levis because they were pretty gender neutral. Places like Kohls and mervyns are hit and miss. but their one peice infant stuff is going to be the same old motifs you have seen already and have seen for years. i had luck finding stuff at pennys and sears but it was still hit or miss. www.miniboden.com sometimes has some great stuff. They look pretty picked clean right now....it doesn't look like they have released their spring line yet though.
post #62 of 92
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Originally Posted by Alathia View Post
For little boys, we love Zutano. I love their prints and stripes and the fact that they are rarely emblazoned with trucks/sports/etc.. Here's my youngest wearing a great orange/green combination.
Gorgeous!--the child, the outfit, the photo--all of it!
post #63 of 92
Another great place for non-traditional stereotypes is H&M. I love their clothes because you can always find something there.

I also find checking out discount stores like TJ Maxx, Ross, Marshall's, Loehmann's, Filene's, Century 21, etc are always great place to find clothes for both boys and girls that meets these criteria. You can find more random and less mainstream children's clothing brands.
post #64 of 92
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Originally Posted by leila1213 View Post
Gorgeous!--the child, the outfit, the photo--all of it!
aww thanks!
post #65 of 92

Cute, Inexpensive & Gender Neutral


So, I was in Wal-Mart tonight, and and I stumbled across this. There are other outfits in the collection that are equally cute, but I was too lazy to take pictures. My favorite outfit is navy blue and white striped with a frog and a fly, which I would put on either a girl or a boy.

The yellow dresses that are partially visible in the picture are great for a girl without the use of the color pink.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...x/IMG00548.jpg
post #66 of 92
I have three boys and I do understand (as I am sure I would with three girls!) My 2 year old wears plenty of hand me downs from my friends dds (turtle necks and whatnot) but as my boys have gotten older, I have found it even tougher. My oldest plays the trumpet and fences - why is it almost impossible to find a shirt without a guitar or a sport with a ball???

Anyway, I really like Crazy Eight and Pumpkin Patch. The clothes are still essentially divided by gender but the colors and themes seem less rigid.
post #67 of 92
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Originally Posted by ObliviousAnnette View Post
I guess I don't see what the big deal is about what is on his clothes unless he is very aware of it. My daughter is almost 2 and the only thing wardrobe-wise she cares about is having "pretties" in her hair because mommy does.
If he can't read yet what his shirt says only effects those around him not him or his perception of gender.
I think it's a very big deal, actually. And I've always felt the same as the OP. And my older son, who's now six never wore tractors, trucks, sports, etc until he was old enough to tell me what he liked. It turns out he does like most of that stuff, but I was not going to push him into it just because he was a boy. And I am completely astounded by the fact that so many women (and let's face it, it is the moms 99% of the time, and you can see the way these little boys are dressed that they aren't going to be dressing their babies either) dress their little boys in such a gendered fashion.

Just tonight I was reading on another forum that a woman made a sleep sack for her NEWBORN son and she was stressing that it wasn't at all girly. What could the freaking harm have been if it had been girly????? Omg, drives me crazy.

Ok, so I guess I'm saying I completely get you, OP. I made all of my first ds's clothes from about 1 yr until he was five when I got pregnant and had no energy. Now I'm struggling to keep my new little one in mostly solids. I compromise with themes that I've deemed gender neutral -- ie, space, animals. It bothers me that the rest of the world sees those as "boy" things, but sometimes I've just gotta ignore the rest of the world. He's got a ton of pink and flower dipes that make me smile.
post #68 of 92
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Originally Posted by ObliviousAnnette View Post
I guess I don't see what the big deal is about what is on his clothes unless he is very aware of it. My daughter is almost 2 and the only thing wardrobe-wise she cares about is having "pretties" in her hair because mommy does.
If he can't read yet what his shirt says only effects those around him not him or his perception of gender.

Then again, maybe I really don't understand the issue.
In addition to what other people have said, a big issue for me is the external reinforcement of strict gender roles based on children's clothes. I see it all the time: when my daughter wears a dress, she gets compliments on how pretty she looks. The "girl"ier the dress, the more effusive the compliments. Kids are savvy: they pick up on social cues like no one's business. That's how they learn to navigate the world. When the fifth stranger says "Oh, who's the little princess!? Don't you look pretty! I just love your dress!", it becomes pretty obvious to her "okay when I wear my red overalls no one pays attention to me. When I wear my pink dress, people praise me." And so the lesson she takes from this is that the pink dress is the right choice. And boys get similar treatment when they wear very boy-specific clothes.

And of course the adults don't think anything of it, so it's not like I'm accusing well-meaning adults of turning my daughter into a delicate female buttercup. Really they just do it to make conversation: lots of adults like cute kids, and like complimenting cute kids, and an outfit is an easy thing to compliment, and a culturally gender-appropriate outfit is a safe thing for them to compliment. (Or so they think, because they haven't read the same books I have!) But the fact is that this sort of thing does reinforce very strict gender definitions at a time when children are looking to define their place in the world.

Now, my problem is that I like pretty dresses. I derive great joy in sewing them, and in buying them. I've always been very girly in how I dress: I was a teenager in the mid-90's, and as all my friends wore flannel, I was probably the only customer under the age of 20 that Laura Ashley had had in a decade. So I have to say that I'm guilty when it comes to dressing my daughter, at least, in traditionally very feminine clothing. (I do draw the line at anything that reeks of entitlement, superiority, or attitude). I am, however, cognizant of the message this sends her and I try to mitigate it in other ways (and it's not like she dresses like that every day. I love her red overalls!). I also try to compliment little kids on their clothes if they're not wearing something super gender-specific.
post #69 of 92
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. The "girl"ier the dress, the more effusive the compliments.
But, sometimes it really IS the dress. I love those dresses. I would say something to a woman who was wearing a pretty dress too. Maybe not "And, who's a pretty princess todaaaay???" But, I'd say "I love that dress".

I told a man who was wearing an orange plaid shirt the other day that I loved that shirt. His wife hit him in the shoulder and said "SEE?!?!" (apparently, he doesn't like it LOL)
post #70 of 92
I never had much trouble finding tons of cute stuff for my son - Gymboree [I have a ton of that hedgehog stuff and am just washing it for the new baby due in a couple of weeks so excited to get to have another baby wear it soooooo cute], Target, Old Navy, Baby Gap, the used baby shops.

But now my son's a very tall 5 yo moving into the Boys section - oh my lord. There's absolutely nothing in the Target Boys section that doesn't have a spider or a skull on it. Blech. I mean, one cute skater shirt with a skull is fine, but every day? And what is up with the only kind of socks you can buy for a boy are white footies? Seriously, every boy in America wears nothing but white footies every single day? [I did finally figure out there are still colored ankle length ones at Children's Place, but still!]


In terms of gender stereotyping, my son was born with tons of hair, and we kept it long, and put him in relatively gender-neutral clothes. When people called him a girl [often] they would apologize profusely and be totally embarrassed if corrected - everyone was like that! It was shocking. I never was the slightest bit phased by the initial assumption - who can really tell a baby's gender without the genitals, and what's the big deal? A lot of people are very very rigid about gender.
post #71 of 92
I love Old Navy as well. Lots of solids and stripes. I also find great stuff for DD there in her very best color - navy blue. Everyone tells me what a cute little boy I have, especially when she's wearing navy top, navy pants, and her brother's grey half zip sweater. It's my favorite outfit of hers. I would put my son in purple if I could find it. He loves it, and I think it would look great on him.

There was a study I read once about compliments from strangers about young children's clothing. They found that boys were more often complimented on character when dressed to the nines in "boy"ish clothes, ie. "Don't you look like a little man!", "You look so grown up!", "Look how handsome you are!", and girls were more often complimented on their clothing, ie. "What a pretty dress!". I found that interesting.

I also don't like that girl's clothes are unnecessarily restrictive. For an active young girl, tight pants, short skirts, tights, and uncomfortable shoes might discourage them from active play, which I find unfortunate.
post #72 of 92
I really noticed in when I went through hand me downs. My oldest is a boy and my second is a girl. Early on I had tons of his clothes that worked just fine for her as well. The older they both get the fewer hand-me-downs my daughter gets from my son. Now she does occasionally wear something that used to be his, but not that often.
post #73 of 92
I'm also pretty shocked by how gender-specific children's clothing seems to be.

I thought that I'd share one more clothing company for folks to check out - they're called hessnatur. Most of their items are neutral. Their kids' section isn't even divided into boys and girls! They are spendy, but I noticed a lot of cute stuff for kids in the sale section of the site. They also sometimes have storewide 25% off sales.

I'd be really interested in knowing whether anyone has ordered from them before. I never have myself, but am considering getting a few things for my own babe-on-the-way.
post #74 of 92
I'm going to second (third?) Wal Mart and their Geranimals line. Tons of basics for no more than $3.50.
post #75 of 92
My 5 1/2-year-old son doesn't own a pair of white socks. We've gotten colored socks at TCP, Gymboree, Gap, and Old Navy.
post #76 of 92
Organic cotton brands always seem to be gender neutral. They usually have all the same fabrics/colours in the same style. So the only ones which wouldnt suit would be a dress- unless you're cool with those too Im in Australia so I cant recommend the US brands, but my favorite here for gender neutral would probably Nature Baby: www.naturebaby.co.nz They ship internationally (free I think for over $500) and their prices are less the NZ tax for international customers.

But yeah good luck with Target and such. Everything has to be either flowers and butterflies and always pink, or macho male themes. I havent found anything from those shops that doesnt have a teddy bear or some 'cutesie' image plastered on it. But all the organic companies Ive seen seem to have very interchangeable pieces. Plus they are better for your babies skin too so that's an added bonus
post #77 of 92
I agree with looking at the organic, eco stuff as a good place to find gender neutral clothes.

Just thought I'd add that it's Spring Craft Show season. I always found lots of great kids clothes made by really talented artisans at craft shows. They tended to be less gender specific or at least offered quite a few gender neutral pieces, because with small, time-limited shows the artists want few limitations on what they sell.
post #78 of 92
We Hanna Anderson.
post #79 of 92
I recommend finding your local consignment sales and shopping in both sections. I've been able to find lots of excellent gender neutral clothing for my son using that method, plus it's waaaay less expensive.

H&M also has decent gender-neutral clothing for kids.
post #80 of 92
You know what kills me with girls clothing these days is all the garish "rose pink." Pale pink I can deal with, but these medium-pink shades usually strike me as cheap and 80's looking. Every children's clothing sale I go to is an endless wash of pink pink pink pink. I can still find the green and purple and orange and yellow gems amidst all that pink, but at first glance it seems impossible. And don't even get me started on jersey knit.

Zutano makes cool, fun clothes that either boys or girls can wear. Lots of colors other than pink or blue, lots of patterns other than trucks or flowers.
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