HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! First Chat of 2010!! - Page 51

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

How exciting. I can't WAIT until we get things done enough to paint around here. It will be a while though...

Yeah, I bought this paint when we moved in, almost 3.5 years ago. Just now getting around to making it not a hobbies-we-don't-have-time-to-do-anymore room

[tanyalynn]

Long day, but good, went to DH's cousin's house for his twins 1st birthday, about a 3-hour drive away. They are strongly considering/planning to homeschool! Which I think they will enjoy and do well, but more, if mom is interested and excited after the first, grueling year with twins, I think the first year was better than it could've been.

Went to the WF in that city and got Udi's gluten/dairy/soy free lemon streusel muffins and cinnamon rolls. Crazy expensive, it's actually probably a good thing that they aren't available in the Houston area (don't tell me if they are!) because they're so good and so pricey, but they will be so yummy tomorrow morning.

Need to go back and read the vitamin D article in full (read only the excerpt in the original thread) but it looked like it was saying "35-40 is sufficient for lots of benefits, data isn't conclusive as to whether higher, say, 70-80-ish, is better or worse." That was my read of the excerpt. Their example of selenium is interesting because I'm not convinced that the high intakes of selenium were actually too high, so much as not balanced with a comparable intake of other nutrients that are co-factors for selenium stuff, zinc was my guess.

What I'd really like to know is if there are, say, some healthy people (not massively malnourished) people living outdoor lifestyles that we have blood vitamin D levels for? Most of us are inside so much compared to most of human history, it's just a huge lifestyle change, that it seems plausible that we are really, really deficient. Be even more interesting if there were any healthy outdoor groups that ALSO have a Price-like high vitamin A intake--would that depress circulating vitamin D in the blood, because it's being used (presumably for useful things)?

Must sleep. DH and I talked, we really want to focus on our health and how we feel for a few months, I think we could make huge leaps if we just stop piddling around and focus. I have pills on the way! I think DH could lose 10 lbs a month easily if we just fiddle with our diet a bit more and I'm consistent, and overall I just focus. And it's a good time to do that leading up to Treasure Map. I may put out a few feelers locally to see if anyone else has considered it, or would consider it. It would be nice to get together to cut pictures and chat with friends while we do start this.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Long day, but good, went to DH's cousin's house for his twins 1st birthday, about a 3-hour drive away. They are strongly considering/planning to homeschool! Which I think they will enjoy and do well, but more, if mom is interested and excited after the first, grueling year with twins, I think the first year was better than it could've been.

Went to the WF in that city and got Udi's gluten/dairy/soy free lemon streusel muffins and cinnamon rolls. Crazy expensive, it's actually probably a good thing that they aren't available in the Houston area (don't tell me if they are!) because they're so good and so pricey, but they will be so yummy tomorrow morning.

Need to go back and read the vitamin D article in full (read only the excerpt in the original thread) but it looked like it was saying "35-40 is sufficient for lots of benefits, data isn't conclusive as to whether higher, say, 70-80-ish, is better or worse." That was my read of the excerpt. Their example of selenium is interesting because I'm not convinced that the high intakes of selenium were actually too high, so much as not balanced with a comparable intake of other nutrients that are co-factors for selenium stuff, zinc was my guess.

What I'd really like to know is if there are, say, some healthy people (not massively malnourished) people living outdoor lifestyles that we have blood vitamin D levels for? Most of us are inside so much compared to most of human history, it's just a huge lifestyle change, that it seems plausible that we are really, really deficient. Be even more interesting if there were any healthy outdoor groups that ALSO have a Price-like high vitamin A intake--would that depress circulating vitamin D in the blood, because it's being used (presumably for useful things)?

Must sleep. DH and I talked, we really want to focus on our health and how we feel for a few months, I think we could make huge leaps if we just stop piddling around and focus. I have pills on the way! I think DH could lose 10 lbs a month easily if we just fiddle with our diet a bit more and I'm consistent, and overall I just focus. And it's a good time to do that leading up to Treasure Map. I may put out a few feelers locally to see if anyone else has considered it, or would consider it. It would be nice to get together to cut pictures and chat with friends while we do start this.

Sounds like a productive day. Is Udi's in the freezer case?

I too wish they had some kind of baseline to compare. What about testing a bunch of construction workers who spend lots of time outside?

[momofmine]

Hey guys,
I remember something a while ago about testing our pots and pans with a magnet to see if they are safe. Was it to determine if they were truly stainless steel? Do you put the magnet on the inside or outside? Do you want the magnet to stick or fall off?

TIA! Sorry I am clueless today!

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by momofmine

Hey guys,
I remember something a while ago about testing our pots and pans with a magnet to see if they are safe. Was it to determine if they were truly stainless steel? Do you put the magnet on the inside or outside? Do you want the magnet to stick or fall off?

TIA! Sorry I am clueless today!

It's to test nickel content - if it sticks, it's low nickel, if it falls off it's probably high nickel.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Sounds like a productive day. Is Udi's in the freezer case?

I too wish they had some kind of baseline to compare. What about testing a bunch of construction workers who spend lots of time outside?

It was a cold case, couldn't tell if it was frig temp or freezer temp. Just ate the lemon streusel muffins, gooooood.

Oohhh, I _think_ I remember something about lifeguards, I wonder if they have this somewhere at the vitamin D council website? They've got tons and tons of linked studies there. Maybe I should read more about why the 50-80 range is recommended.

[deditus]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Need to go back and read the vitamin D article in full (read only the excerpt in the original thread) but it looked like it was saying "35-40 is sufficient for lots of benefits, data isn't conclusive as to whether higher, say, 70-80-ish, is better or worse." That was my read of the excerpt. Their example of selenium is interesting because I'm not convinced that the high intakes of selenium were actually too high, so much as not balanced with a comparable intake of other nutrients that are co-factors for selenium stuff, zinc was my guess.

What I'd really like to know is if there are, say, some healthy people (not massively malnourished) people living outdoor lifestyles that we have blood vitamin D levels for? Most of us are inside so much compared to most of human history, it's just a huge lifestyle change, that it seems plausible that we are really, really deficient. Be even more interesting if there were any healthy outdoor groups that ALSO have a Price-like high vitamin A intake--would that depress circulating vitamin D in the blood, because it's being used (presumably for useful things)?

Yeah, I wish I would have had my D tested when I worked 70 hours/week outside in my landscaping business!

[deditus]

Originally Posted by momofmine

I need some tips on keeping all this stuff organized, like the notes about new foods/recipes to try, the coconut yogurt making suggestions that I just collected from this thread, supps I want to try, what supps go with what, etc.

Actually, maybe I need to keep the food/meal plans separate from the supps/health/detox info, b/c all that together would overwhelm me!

So, as for organizing foods, new recipes to try, meal plans, any tips? I am a totally disorganized person by nature!

I have one binder with "health" stuff - supps, research, docs, etc, one for recipes, and one for meal plans. I print off calendars from MSWorks and put them into sheet protectors to keep my meal plan in. I pull recipes from the recipe binder and put them in the meal plan binder when I put a meal on the calendar. I put new recipes I want to try in the meal plan binder until I try them - they don't go into my recipe binder until they have been tested. I also keep running grocery lists in the meal plan binder -TJs, co-op, reg grocery store, gf store, etc.
I have enjoyed the recipes I got from heartofcooking.com's meal planners if you can eat the stuff she uses (lots of nuts & coconut, GAPS friendly).

[Theloose]

I B6

Third night in a row of easy bedtime. Next challenge: how to help her sleep longer stretches again. Intuition is telling me mag, but I'm scared. I can't handle more (any) twiddling

[momofmine]

hey guys, I am popping on here really quickly to ask, does anyone know what nutrients/detox/methylation issues are implicated with gallstones?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by momofmine

hey guys, I am popping on here really quickly to ask, does anyone know what nutrients/detox/methylation issues are implicated with gallstones?

Something to do with oxalates and calcium, but I don't know details.

I've been thinking DS2 might need more B6, Shannon. How are you getting it into DD? Are you doing a multivite, B complex or straight up B6? eta: I'm so sick and tired of him only sleeping from 11ish til 7ish and then taking a 2 hour nap, or alternatively sleeping from 8pm til 5 or 6am and being up ALL DAY then taking tantrums from 3pm onward.

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by whoMe

I B6

Third night in a row of easy bedtime. Next challenge: how to help her sleep longer stretches again. Intuition is telling me mag, but I'm scared. I can't handle more (any) twiddling

whoMe, is B6 one of those things that you need to make sure you are also getting something else along with it? I am confused about which supps need to go together. We have mostly been doing diet and homeopathy and have had huge wonderful improvements over the past year, but I feel like now I want to really figure out the nutrient layer now. So part of me thinks I should introduce one at a time, to see what makes a difference. but then aren't there some things that you need certain other complementary things to go along with it? Like haven't people said that they took one supp, but it didn't help because they actually also needed some additional thing with it? Or am I making this more complicated than it needs to be?

[Theloose]

No matter what, dd tends towards 12-13 hours of sleep in a 24hr period - whether it's 7pm-8am or 2:30-5:30 and 11-8 or 10:30-9:30. The b6 is just helping shift it earlier so that she actually gets sleepy at a reasonable hour. I'm mixing tiny bits of a tablet into chunky applesauce, just about 5mg total. The first day she noticed nothing, yesterday she saw some and fished it out, today she complained it was 'spicy'. Other ways I've gotten it into her are/were my milk, a perque chewable, b complex fudge, and a tablet blended into peach/coconut milk popsicles.

I was just doing folate/mag for a while, and that didn't seem to be depleting anything, then added biotin, same story. Now with the b6, I'm starting to think she needs something else to go along with it. My next kitchen project is going to be b6/b-complex nutella, methinks she'll love it! For myself, high dose b5/b6 definitely threw some stuff out of whack, so in general, I'd say a b complex is well worth it. But if you want to go individually to see what happens, high doses make for more dramatic/easier to spot deficiencies

[lil_miss_understood]

New chat a few hours early.