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Originally Posted by annettemarie
 To be fair, I don't think the "movie" was stating California banning homeschooling as fact, but as a fictitious first in a series of pretend cataclysmic court decisions that would outlaw homeschooling.
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. Good grief...
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Originally Posted by Lillian J
Oh! That makes sense! So they're speculating on how everything can go berserk if everyone doesn't get paranoid . Good grief...- Lillian |
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Originally Posted by romans8:5
Personally I think that every child should be home schooled, meaning that it’s parents responsibility to oversee the education of their child not the state or federal government. I know there are many who can’t school their child in the home, that’s not what I’m saying, but if the child is in the public or private school system it’s still the parents job to oversee what they are doing. The private or public systems should only be there to support the parent not the other way around. And for those who are foolish enough to think that home schooling could never become illegal in this country I’d suggest they visit HSLDA’s website and see where they are battling with parents across this nation in every state to retain that right. I’d also suggest they study up on the UN’s Committee on the Rights of the Child and what that would mean to your rights are a parent if the US were ever to ratify it. Call it alarmist if you want.
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Originally Posted by romans8:5
What does this mean to?
Considering that the child should be fully prepared to live an individual life in society, and brought up in the spirit of the ideals proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, and in particular in the spirit of peace, dignity, tolerance, freedom, equality and solidarity, Spirit of the charter on the UN? You might want to spend some time reading what's happening to parental rights in the countries that's ratified this. The spirit in which my children are brought up is my responsibility as dictated by Christ's Word, not the whims of a godless UN. |
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Originally Posted by Karenwith4
The UN convention is ratified in a number countries (including Canada which ratified it 20 years ago) with no issues pertaining to a parent's rights to homeschool. In fact Canada has some of the least restrictive homeschooling laws in North America.
The opposition to the UN Convention is the usual HSLDA fear mongering. |
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Originally Posted by romans8:5
What does this mean to?
Considering that the child should be fully prepared to live an individual life in society, and brought up in the spirit of the ideals proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, and in particular in the spirit of peace, dignity, tolerance, freedom, equality and solidarity, Spirit of the charter on the UN? You might want to spend some time reading what's happening to parental rights in the countries that's ratified this. The spirit in which my children are brought up is my responsibility as dictated by Christ's Word, not the whims of a godless UN. |
The UN doesn't 'trump' the US Constitution in the slightest, nor does it interfere with your right to homeschool (or not) your kids however you choose. The countries that have chosen not to support homeschooling have done so with clear reasons behind them and, quite frankly, they have the right to make those decisions and I have the right to disagree with them. It's just not realistic to make the UNCRC out to be this anti-homeschooling juggernaut because that's simply not the case whatsoever. But in order to suspend that belief would require one to suspend other beliefs as well. It's a tough road to examine our own beliefs with such direct scrutiny though.|
Originally Posted by Karenwith4
The UN convention is ratified in a number countries (including Canada which ratified it 20 years ago) with no issues pertaining to a parent's rights to homeschool. In fact Canada has some of the least restrictive homeschooling laws in North America.
The opposition to the UN Convention is the usual HSLDA fear mongering. |
Great minds think alike 
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Originally Posted by Lillian J
And according to this very informative page of Frequently Asked Questions on it, the only countries who have not yet ratified it are Somalia and the United States. - Lillian |
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Originally Posted by Kontessa
This is a special topic to me as my family is looking to move and we have a bit of say to maybe the place we move to. Looking at New York homeschooling laws, and CA, coming from TX and AZ.... well I about fell down with how much over site the state would have over my family and our learning.
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Originally Posted by lach
Can I just jump in with a related question for all the people here who seem to have their fingers on the pulse?
What's up with the HSLDA and the UN rights of the child thing? It's obviously their major push at the moment, and they're bringing it up every chance they get, but... why? I mean, it's 20 year old news. Why are they digging this up? Is this really the best they could come up with in terms of fear-mongering? Surely they could find something more current to rally the base around? |
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Originally Posted by Dar
Actually, California is basically the same as Arizona, except you notify annually rather than one time. Neither state has any further oversight. I actually preferred California's laws (one of the reasons I maintained my residency there when I spent 9 months living in Arizona) because I didn't want to have to give my child's name and birthday to the state (Arizona requires both, California requires neither).
New York is another story, but California is good! |
For some reason I thought that it was a must to have an umbrella school to work under in CA safely. Wondering now how I got that idea...
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Originally Posted by Kontessa
Thank for explaining that in a way I would understand!
For some reason I thought that it was a must to have an umbrella school to work under in CA safely. Wondering now how I got that idea... |
. I think they find it too good to be true that they can really have so much freedom - but they can!
| My biggest problem with this is it paints homeschoolers as rabid fundamentalist separatists. Most homeschoolers, religiously oriented or not, are pretty normal folks. Perpetuating the stereotype of HSers being wack jobs is not helpful whatsoever, and makes the 'anti HS' crowd a lot more vehement against homeschooling as a whole. |
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Originally Posted by Theoretica
I have no doubt that there was a lot of hard work and effort put into the making of the film. That being said, however, the general theme seems to be focused around a fear based message of 'rallying the troops' unnecessarily, and there are a considerable number of homeschoolers who disagree strongly with the evangelical and fundamentalist Christians acting as if they hold a monopoly on homeschooling. Also, as a film, even an independent one, the acting quality just wasn't that great IMO. I can put all the hard work and love and effort I want into making a sculpture, but that won't make it a good sculpture, no matter how hard I try. Why? Because I'm not good at that sort of thing, and I'm ok leaving that to the folks that are
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