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post #1 of 11
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I moved right before the holidays so this is really the very beginning of working out our custody set-up. I've been really on the fine line of not wanting to get too grabby vs. not wanting to give away the farm and get screwed. Luckily, we've got a few months before I do the lawyer thing. (I want the house sold and car refinanced in his name only first.) So I've been sort of thinking of things we need. My dad was a juvenile judge for decades and has tons of experience and just this weekend he was suggesting to put EVERYTHING in writing. He said that everyone gets along fine until someone wants to move or someone gets a new boy/girlfriend. I said I was open for suggestions. He told me that if we're going to wing it for a few months, then I'll know what needs to be in writing by then!

So today, first day home after all of the travels. He'd asked to have DS "for a few hours" today. Apparently we have different interpretations. Last night when I called to discuss it, he totally forgot he'd asked to have DS. I called at 11:am thinking I was running late to say we were on our way over. He said "oh, um, well, I have a football game to go to. I was thinking later." "when is later" "like, 3:00? He'll be awake from his nap by then, right?" "maybe." Then a call later that he needed to go look at a rental house, so maybe it'd be more like 4:00 or 5:00. On a school night. For a child that goes to bed at 7:00.

I wasn't thinking we needed those clauses about pick-up times and if you're so many minutes late it's canceled and 48 hr notice and all that. I thought "oh I want to be flexible!" "I don't want to keep DS from him!" But looks like even in a very amicable set-up we need it all in writing so that there are clear expectations agreed on up front. We both know what's going on and can rely on those expectations.

I took some serious notes from the thread about clauses to go into the agreement.

It's totally going to be one-sided and he'll sign anything I give him. I just need him to understand what he's signing.

The next few months are going to be interesting. I'll be taking notes. (Guess Dad was right!)

Oh, I also made it clear to STBX that this loosey goosey thing wasn't going to work out. We needed an actual schedule so that we both know what to expect. I've dealt with "I guess I just didn't think" for 9 years. It's time to work on that because giving false expectations to my confused 3 year old is not ok.

Now...off to write up a framework for visititation that are explicit but not bitchy. (I can go bitchy if I need to, but avoiding it at the moment.)

Fun fun fun! So, looking at the calendar, he may see DS for 1 maybe 2 weekends in the next two months. Awesome. Oh well. We've got the nightly skyping. And DS hasn't been used to an involved dad until the months following my decision to leave (since this past June). He'll get used to it again.

This is totally minor, I'm just rolling my eyes and laughing that it started on the very first day! This is the same man that last week suggested 50-50 custody after a single successful overnight and when we discussed the right of first refusal he declared that he'd never go out when he had DS for the weekend. And no harm done today. DS didn't really want to go over there. He misses STBX and the other house for about 5 mins at bedtime, otherwise he's fine over here at the new house with me.

It begins!

p.s. Not so flexible about CS since we'll be unofficial for a few months. I found the calculator and I'm still managing the finances. It will be taken care of!
post #2 of 11
not a whole lot to say.. just wanted to send
post #3 of 11
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Well "the game was a bust" so he left early and wanted to come over "to play with DS". (Yay! Playdates at my house!) But DS had JUST gotten to sleep so he had to wait until he woke up which wasn't until after 4:00. We got to STBX's house about 5:00. I brought something for him to feed DS and said to have him here by 7:00 then went grocery shopping.

Again, no big deal...just dealing with the new reality. His experience with divorced fathers and being one, it really is play-date daddy who gives it a try for a while, then it gets too hard. He's got some learning to do himself. I just thought it was ironic (or maybe not so very!) that it started immediately.
post #4 of 11
Wow, this sounds so familiar!

Yeah, my STBX, too, briefly suggested when I told him I was leaving that we do 50-50 split or that he even have custody of her--this from a dad who had never been terribly involved! Not surprisingly, none of that lasted!

I, neither, thought too much about needing an explicit agreement about custody, at least night right away, but what I have found in the past month and a half is that STBX has been utterly unable to commit to any kind of regular schedule but would rather like to take her whenever it fits in with his schedule or is convenient for him. He will email me and say, "I'd like to take her tomorrow for a night or two..."--that's all I get, a day's worth of heads-up. I have tried to be patient and understanding up to now (I'm so afraid of keeping him from dd or just appearing to do so) but I'm getting fed up.

I guess I could follow your dad's advice, too, and start putting some things in writing!

Sorry nothing else to add, just hugs and commiseration!
post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by La Sombra View Post
Wow, this sounds so familiar!

Yeah, my STBX, too, briefly suggested when I told him I was leaving that we do 50-50 split or that he even have custody of her--this from a dad who had never been terribly involved! Not surprisingly, none of that lasted!

I, neither, thought too much about needing an explicit agreement about custody, at least night right away, but what I have found in the past month and a half is that STBX has been utterly unable to commit to any kind of regular schedule but would rather like to take her whenever it fits in with his schedule or is convenient for him. He will email me and say, "I'd like to take her tomorrow for a night or two..."--that's all I get, a day's worth of heads-up. I have tried to be patient and understanding up to now (I'm so afraid of keeping him from dd or just appearing to do so) but I'm getting fed up.

I guess I could follow your dad's advice, too, and start putting some things in writing!

Sorry nothing else to add, just hugs and commiseration!
Funny...I think we really have had the same marriage! We seem to keep having "me too!" moments.

I'm not going to push things too much right now. But having lived with STBX for 9 years, I know that he works best with very clear directions. And he is very capable of working within those parameters as long as there's no fuzzy areas. (I think this is why military is the only thing that's every worked well for him on a long term basis.) So we'll start pounding out some guidelines. And I've got a draft of financial and custody terms to show him. They've been getting more specific as I see the need. I've had 6 months to hash them out so far. And I'm grateful for that time. 6 months ago I'd have given him everything without him asking just to get a clear start and help with the guilt-factor. Now I know he can survive. He's miraculously found a full time local military job with a very decent income. And I'm not going to sign away everything. I'm going to get what I need to be healthy and take care of my son. That includes some boundaries and advocating for what I believe is in DS's best interests. So another few months of actually living separately ought to tell us both what we need in writing.

Good luck with yours too!!
post #6 of 11
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0 for 2! Or, maybe 1/2 for 2 since he did see DS on Sunday for a couple of hours (I provided the supper for him to cook because of course there were no groceries). Last week he'd suggested to take DS on Thursday (tomorrow)...and possibly every Thursday. But oops...there's a football game to watch at someone else's house (no cable at our old place). He'll probably think twice before doing it again...this evening I mentioned that it's inappropriate to cancel for football games. He agreed. It's that old "I just didn't think" thing. Then to put me over the edge of annoyance, Super Dad called to ask what DS eats. So he can get groceries. For the visit that's not until a week from now. He's 3. He eats and rejects food somewhat at random unless it's junk food or fruit.

I've kind of run out of my positive spin for today. I'm tired. DS has had serious attitude for a week, the cat is even needy. I haven't had time to take care of me. I was reminded how spanking three year olds could happen (but didn't), I growled at DS all night. And it's my birthday tomorrow and that always reminds me of how much things aren't how I hoped they'd be. I have had exactly 1 good birthday in 9 years. So my FINE quota is a little tapped out. I'll be fine tomorrow. Because that's my job. Just venting.

And to make me feel better in a passive aggressive way, I'm documenting visits and cancellations.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by RollerCoasterMama View Post
0 for 2! Or, maybe 1/2 for 2 since he did see DS on Sunday for a couple of hours (I provided the supper for him to cook because of course there were no groceries). Last week he'd suggested to take DS on Thursday (tomorrow)...and possibly every Thursday. But oops...there's a football game to watch at someone else's house (no cable at our old place). He'll probably think twice before doing it again...this evening I mentioned that it's inappropriate to cancel for football games. He agreed. It's that old "I just didn't think" thing. Then to put me over the edge of annoyance, Super Dad called to ask what DS eats. So he can get groceries. For the visit that's not until a week from now. He's 3. He eats and rejects food somewhat at random unless it's junk food or fruit.

I've kind of run out of my positive spin for today. I'm tired. DS has had serious attitude for a week, the cat is even needy. I haven't had time to take care of me. I was reminded how spanking three year olds could happen (but didn't), I growled at DS all night. And it's my birthday tomorrow and that always reminds me of how much things aren't how I hoped they'd be. I have had exactly 1 good birthday in 9 years. So my FINE quota is a little tapped out. I'll be fine tomorrow. Because that's my job. Just venting.

And to make me feel better in a passive aggressive way, I'm documenting visits and cancellations.
Wow. I'm sorry that is really frustrating and understandable.

Can I be a little pollyanna and say that you are starting a new year on your birthday and all the difficulties that you have just went through are over. You've already moved, and will be much more settled in your new life on your birthday next year. I also hope that something wonderful happens for you on your birthday so that you can get some self care in soon.
post #8 of 11
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Wow. I'm sorry that is really frustrating and understandable.

Can I be a little pollyanna and say that you are starting a new year on your birthday and all the difficulties that you have just went through are over. You've already moved, and will be much more settled in your new life on your birthday next year. I also hope that something wonderful happens for you on your birthday so that you can get some self care in soon.
That's exactly what I would say to me too. I have been doing a lot of journaling. And I really am in a better place. I will be better tomorrow. Every now and then the downsides hit me. It would be nice if the stupid grieving stuff would wait for convenient times!!! :P
post #9 of 11
RollerCoasterMama

Happy Birthday

I hope you have a great day with your DS tomorrow
post #10 of 11
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Thanks. It's just a normal work/preschool day tomorrow. But my co-workers always make a little fuss, so that usually helps perk up the day a little.

After all of the growling and grumbling, I found a little person passed out in my bed last night. We had a quiet snuggly night. He's a little man that gets what he needs even if I'm too grumpy. If he needs mama-time, he MAKES mama-time. And lately he's needed a little extra snuggling.

We'll get there. It hasn't even been 2 weeks yet.
post #11 of 11
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He realized it's dumb to cancel on a child for a football game and is going to pick up DS from school and have him overnight. He was on the receiving end of a dad that blew him off all the time, and wouldn't do that on purpose for anything. So his common sense overcame his "just didn't think" this time. (Common sense = oops I scheduled something social that conflicts with my child...guess I cancel the social thing.)

One day at a time. So tonight I can run my errands and maybe unpack a little.
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