January swine flu (2009 H1N1) thread

[mamakay]

Post here. This is the official MDC 2009 H1N1 thread.

[Jenelle]

Wait a second... Something doesn't look right here...

Oh, that's right! It's 2010!



Thanks for starting a new thread.

Here's the latest from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...0/WhoLab51.htm

And Google flu trends:

http://www.google.org/flutrends/us/

[mamakay]

It's 2010, but "the flu" is still "2009 H1N1". Lol.

What's interesting is that fluview reports that only 3.9% of the "influenza like illness" samples are testing positive for any flu
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/
(down from 50% at the height of the season), but look at this chart:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...10/bigpi51.htm

What is causing all those deaths now?

[Jenelle]

Originally Posted by mamakay

What is causing all those deaths now?

Well, the chart is for pneumonia and influenza. They always lump these together -- so you've got people dying of pneumonia who never had the flu. That is part of why people don't trust the "36,000 per year" flu number. Because they lump pneumonia in there also.

Edited to say: Ah, also -- that chart is from week ending 12/12 when the rest of the info is week ending 12/26. That two week difference may have something to do with it also.

[amnesiac]

Geez what a slacker I am this month - thanks for getting the new discussion started!

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[mamakay]

Originally Posted by Jenelle

Edited to say: Ah, also -- that chart is from week ending 12/12 when the rest of the info is week ending 12/26. That two week difference may have something to do with it also.

Could that be a typo? It reports through week 50, which should have ended 12/19?

[mama1803]

I just stumbled upon this article and thought it was interesting. Seems like alot of people in alot of places didn't buy into the fear mongering. There is quite the vaccine surplus out there.




http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/...ource=r_health

[Deborah]

Here is an evaluation of the H1N1 child mortality in the U.S. just posted on insidevaccines.

Live births in 2007: 4,317,000, minus 29,000 infant deaths, gives us a starting number of 4,288,000. The number of births has been going up every year for the last few years, so if we assume the same number in 2008 we are erring on the side of caution. We’ve got a total of roughly 8,576,000 children in the U.S. under the age of two. Forty-two of those children died this year as a result of H1N1, according to the CDC. This means that one child out of every 204,190 died from 2009 H1N1 according to the reported number of cases.

I wonder how much time, effort and money was spent on vaccinating children under the age of two with this vaccine. And they aren't done--it is still being pushed. Where I live, most of the children had already had the influenza, of whatever variety, before they held the vaccine clinics.

[Juvysen]

[MommytoB]

If anyone was made to have the h1n1 shot and they didn't want to . Would it be better to detox before and afterwards ?

If someone wanted to detox before and after a h1n1 shot what would they need to do ?

Would baking soda detox remove the before toxins and be able to remove the after ?

Since my cousin is in airforce so I'm questioning that for him .

[MiaMama]

I have a question about the site someone posted in Dec

http://www.whyshouldi.ca/

I entered 0 people in the morning at my house, 0 people on my commute and 0 people at school because I attend college at home. However, I do see 2 people in the evening. How did it come up with 215 potential contacts in 24 hours?

Anyone know the algorithm they use?

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Deborah

Here is an evaluation of the H1N1 child mortality in the U.S. just posted on insidevaccines.



I wonder how much time, effort and money was spent on vaccinating children under the age of two with this vaccine. And they aren't done--it is still being pushed. Where I live, most of the children had already had the influenza, of whatever variety, before they held the vaccine clinics.

I haven't looked at this more closely yet, but in the statistics for children who died from the flu, do they mention whether the child had been vaccinated?

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

I haven't looked at this more closely yet, but in the statistics for children who died from the flu, do they mention whether the child had been vaccinated?

No. There's no data out anywhere yet indicating whether or not the vaccine's effective or to what extent. And usually, there is by this time in the flu season.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by MiaMama

I have a question about the site someone posted in Dec

http://www.whyshouldi.ca/

I entered 0 people in the morning at my house, 0 people on my commute and 0 people at school because I attend college at home. However, I do see 2 people in the evening. How did it come up with 215 potential contacts in 24 hours?

Anyone know the algorithm they use?

A more interesting question is, does the scientific evidence indicate that flu vaccines prevent flu transmission?

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by mama1803

I just stumbled upon this article and thought it was interesting. Seems like alot of people in alot of places didn't buy into the fear mongering. There is quite the vaccine surplus out there.




http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/...ource=r_health

from your link:

The World Health Organization said at least 12,220 people worldwide have been killed by swine flu, with the biggest share of victims in the United States and Canada, though it is now declining in North America.

Umm... the CDC is claiming 10,000... so does that mean there's only been 2,200 in the rest of the world? And if so... how is this not screaming to the CDC (uh, or the general population) that the US is handling the situation VERY wrong?

I mean, from that link, CHINA (with it's some, 2 BILLION citizens?) claims only 659 swine flu deaths in 2009... maybe something's not adding up here...

So, is it the CDC's fuzzy numbers or is it that Americans are in such poor health or, or, or...

And why is this not SHOCKING to the rest of the population?

[MyBoysBlue]

Originally Posted by mama1803

I just stumbled upon this article and thought it was interesting. Seems like alot of people in alot of places didn't buy into the fear mongering. There is quite the vaccine surplus out there.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/...ource=r_health

With all the hype and the push for everyone to get vaccinated I was surprised to discover how low the numbers of vaccinated were. Canada is one of the highest with 32% of the population vaccinated. No wonder there is a huge surplus.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...231?hub=Health

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by mamakay

No. There's no data out anywhere yet indicating whether or not the vaccine's effective or to what extent. And usually, there is by this time in the flu season.

With blood tests, can they tell the difference between a vaccinated person and a person who got the flu? And a person who is in both categories?

And do you know how they usually decide whether someone has had the flu? Is it just symptoms, or is it a blood test (or something else)? It does seem like a lot of flu this year was mild, wouldn't that make it difficult to get accurate information just based on patient recall?

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

With blood tests, can they tell the difference between a vaccinated person and a person who got the flu? And a person who is in both categories?

And do you know how they usually decide whether someone has had the flu? Is it just symptoms, or is it a blood test (or something else)? It does seem like a lot of flu this year was mild, wouldn't that make it difficult to get accurate information just based on patient recall?

They have a nasal swab test they can do to confirm the flu. If there's a blood test, it's not commonly used.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by mamakay

They have a nasal swab test they can do to confirm the flu. If there's a blood test, it's not commonly used.

When you're sick? I was thinking about how they figuring out statistics at the end of the season, essentially to tally the score, how did the vaccine do, how many people _really_ got the new flu this year, like that.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

When you're sick? I was thinking about how they figuring out statistics at the end of the season, essentially to tally the score, how did the vaccine do, how many people _really_ got the new flu this year, like that.

For vaccine effectiveness, stuff like this:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5844a5.htm

(they had a similar report out by early summer...this was just a double check)

For "how many people REALLY caught the flu?", all we have are weak methods of estimation for the most part. Really weak. Weak enough to where it's not a lot better than a wild guess.
The most solid data would be a study looking at a rise in antibodies to flu among unvaccinated people between mid summer and the end of the season. That could be extrapolated to our 300 million population for an approximate case count.