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post #101 of 132

Did the WHO exaggerate the H1N1 danger?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2010012...08599195660800
post #102 of 132
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Originally Posted by mama1803 View Post
From the above article, bolding mine:
"As part of their plans, many governments lined up multibillion-dollar advance-purchase agreements with pharmaceutical companies to buy vaccines during a pandemic. When the WHO declared H1N1 as such, governments were locked into these contracts, if not legally then politically - amid news reports of a new and potentially lethal virus spreading around the globe, governments could not responsibly pass on the option for vaccine. In this context, governments may have felt the only prudent course was to err on the side of caution."

I think that puts a possible reason for lying (about changing the definition of pandemic to 'accommodate' the 2009 H1N1 flu virus) into perspective, doesn't it?
post #103 of 132
Does anyone know how long the actual flu vaccines last for storage purposes before they have to be disposed of?
post #104 of 132
Also, look at it this way my son had strep throat with a ear infection . His sxs were nearly the same as H1N1 sxs he even had throwing up , fever coming back , cough coming in after the first fever and sounding worse . Even many doctors saw how red and swollen his tonsils were they said it was a virus because his throat wsn't hurting .

He even had trouble breathing when his fever came back and he was having definete episodes of stridor but he had too look and be obviously lookng/acting sick before a doctor actually culture him . prescribe him antibiotics .

Which makes me go I'm not seeing that doctor agan ! It pissed me off they let brendan get worse before they actually treated him and strep throat does get better within 8-10 days on it's own but it's risky to let it be treated without antibiotics becase it has those rhematic fever and with brendan having a fever come back he may have been really close at getting rheumatic fever !
post #105 of 132
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Originally Posted by gardenmom View Post
Does anyone know how long the actual flu vaccines last for storage purposes before they have to be disposed of?
What do you mean exactly - like what's the expiration date on the package?
post #106 of 132
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Originally Posted by gardenmom View Post
From the above article, bolding mine:
"As part of their plans, many governments lined up multibillion-dollar advance-purchase agreements with pharmaceutical companies to buy vaccines during a pandemic. When the WHO declared H1N1 as such, governments were locked into these contracts, if not legally then politically - amid news reports of a new and potentially lethal virus spreading around the globe, governments could not responsibly pass on the option for vaccine. In this context, governments may have felt the only prudent course was to err on the side of caution."

I think that puts a possible reason for lying (about changing the definition of pandemic to 'accommodate' the 2009 H1N1 flu virus) into perspective, doesn't it?
It sure explains why they did it. WHO is in league with pharma and so they give them an easy way to make a huge profit. This cannot be a coincidence.
post #107 of 132
Another good article about this whole mess:
http://www.truthout.org/swine-flu-didnt-fly56431
post #108 of 132
And yet, I still see commercials every day for the H1N1 shot. It is ridiculous!
post #109 of 132
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Originally Posted by amnesiac View Post
What do you mean exactly - like what's the expiration date on the package?
Yes, when would they have to dispose of it if they can't find people to vaccinate with it?
post #110 of 132
My DH was forced to get a 2007 flu vaccine Aug 2008. The new vaccine comes out every fall. I guess they are "good" for about a year. They may last longer, but they are considered useless as the flu mutates. Then the new version that is supposed to be more similar to the new, mutated, seasonal flu comes out.
post #111 of 132
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Originally Posted by Sileree View Post
Another good article about this whole mess:
http://www.truthout.org/swine-flu-didnt-fly56431
And here, in this article, the CDC claims 4,000 deaths from swine flu, not 11,000 that we were hearing about only a week or so ago. Quote below:

"The CDC said in December confirmed US deaths had reached 4,000, although it recently estimated that due to underreporting, the true death toll could be as high as 16,500 - a tragic sum, but less than half of what the CDC attributes to seasonal flu-related illness."

Just for comparison, I searched the VAERS database for advese events reported for the 4 vaccines for swine flu:
8,161 adverse events reported in total to Dec 22, 2009
127 life threatening events
26 permanent disabilities
41 deaths

Of course, due to underreporting, I estimate that those numbers could be 4x as high.
post #112 of 132

Better choice of vax, Medimmune nasal or novartis shot?

In the Air Force, being force to get h1n1 vax (I'm sure they just made it manditory for us because of the huge oversupply and they have to get it used up somehow). I am also nursing. I've tried searching for anyone else with this delima but haven't found anything. I'm given the choice of Medimmunal Nasal or the novartis injection. I've looked up the package inserts for both of them and they both say about nursing in para 8.3 "IT IS NOT KNOWN" if.... is excreted in humand milk" and "caution should be exercised when administered to a nursing woman."
I also know that the injection contains thermerosal. And that the nasal says there is a possibily of shedding. So which is the worse of two evils. I hate that I'm being force to take this, but even more so because I'm nursing. My children have not been vaxed. I refused when they made it manditory at base day care I had to pull them out. Any suggestions, please let me know.
post #113 of 132
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Originally Posted by cubbbyaf View Post
In the Air Force, being force to get h1n1 vax (I'm sure they just made it manditory for us because of the huge oversupply and they have to get it used up somehow). I am also nursing. I've tried searching for anyone else with this delima but haven't found anything. I'm given the choice of Medimmunal Nasal or the novartis injection. I've looked up the package inserts for both of them and they both say about nursing in para 8.3 "IT IS NOT KNOWN" if.... is excreted in humand milk" and "caution should be exercised when administered to a nursing woman."
I also know that the injection contains thermerosal. And that the nasal says there is a possibily of shedding. So which is the worse of two evils. I hate that I'm being force to take this, but even more so because I'm nursing. My children have not been vaxed. I refused when they made it manditory at base day care I had to pull them out. Any suggestions, please let me know.

My friend told them that she was pregnant and got out of it.
post #114 of 132
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Originally Posted by gardenmom View Post
Yes, when would they have to dispose of it if they can't find people to vaccinate with it?
Some of the mist has already expired but I know that some lots are good at least into March. Injectable has a farther off expiration date though. Not sure about all injectable products but I know that one doesn't expire until June 2011.
post #115 of 132
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Originally Posted by cubbbyaf View Post
In the Air Force, being force to get h1n1 vax (I'm sure they just made it manditory for us because of the huge oversupply and they have to get it used up somehow). I am also nursing. I've tried searching for anyone else with this delima but haven't found anything. I'm given the choice of Medimmunal Nasal or the novartis injection. I've looked up the package inserts for both of them and they both say about nursing in para 8.3 "IT IS NOT KNOWN" if.... is excreted in humand milk" and "caution should be exercised when administered to a nursing woman."
I also know that the injection contains thermerosal. And that the nasal says there is a possibily of shedding. So which is the worse of two evils. I hate that I'm being force to take this, but even more so because I'm nursing. My children have not been vaxed. I refused when they made it manditory at base day care I had to pull them out. Any suggestions, please let me know.
This makes me ANGRY. And at this point in the game, no less. Have they NOT looked at the CDC's own numbers? Does no one look at Google flu trends?

That being said... Injection. The nasal mist is live and does have the potential to shed to your little one.
post #116 of 132
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Originally Posted by Jenelle View Post
This makes me ANGRY. And at this point in the game, no less. Have they NOT looked at the CDC's own numbers? Does no one look at Google flu trends?

That being said... Injection. The nasal mist is live and does have the potential to shed to your little one.
Thanks, I haven't gotten it yet. I'm going to put it off as long as possible. I've already showed up on the "bad" list once for not getting it yet. I wonder how long I can get away with not getting it. hmmm..
post #117 of 132
My two yo DS just received a letter from the National Health Service inviting him to get his swine flu shot.
AMong other things, the letter mentioned children under 5 dying from Swine flu, and the importance of getting vaccinated so as to not spread the flu to others.
hmmm
Think we'll pass on that, thanks!
post #118 of 132
I did not get to hear the story this morning, but on the radio driving to work this morning, one of the headlines on BBC on NPR was "What ever happened to that swine flu pandemic?" Sounds like maybe some media is finally getting that there was not really a pandemic. Did anyone get to hear the story?
post #119 of 132
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Originally Posted by thtr4me View Post
I did not get to hear the story this morning, but on the radio driving to work this morning, one of the headlines on BBC on NPR was "What ever happened to that swine flu pandemic?" Sounds like maybe some media is finally getting that there was not really a pandemic. Did anyone get to hear the story?
No, but if someone finds it online, I'd love to hear/read it...
post #120 of 132
So tomorrow my son's elementary is giving this vax during the last hour of school. Sigh. I may check him out early. (H1N1 already made its rounds through our household.)
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