January swine flu (2009 H1N1) thread - Page 2

[Deborah]

The most solid data would be a study looking at a rise in antibodies to flu among unvaccinated people between mid summer and the end of the season. That could be extrapolated to our 300 million population for an approximate case count.

Will they do this?

The problem they might have if they did...one result would be an estimate of the number of unvaccinated people who had the flu and survived in good order. Obviously, they wouldn't be able to do antibody tests on anyone who died for any reason.

[NamastePlatypus]

ANyone have a link or info on still births and the vax. I think I have seen two myself last month within a week or so of each other. Would love more solid links on it please.

oh and info on detox, dh is being forced to get it next week , what can he do.

[newmum35]

French move fuels fears for flu vaccine sales

Sales of H1N1 vaccines have been a windfall for drugmakers since mid-2009 as governments have built up stockpiles, with Glaxo expected to be the single biggest beneficiary with anticipated sales of some $3.5 billion by the end of the first quarter of 2010, according to industry analysts.

Sanofi and Novartis have been forecast to book around $1 billion and $600 million apiece.

The latest cancellations in Europe could trim those numbers, although there is still outstanding demand from other parts of the world.

I'm just grateful this appears to have fizzled out and maybe there aren't quite as many brainwashed people out there as I previously thought. I just can't get over those numbers though. That's quite a profit.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by NamastePlatypus

ANyone have a link or info on still births and the vax.

There isn't any evidence of an increase, but there's not much evidence, period.

Here's a study that goes over what evidence exists :
http://www.i-lumens.com/DOCUMENTS/VA...CET%202008.pdf

(this is the study the CDC cites to say "there is no evidence vaxing pregnant women is associated with anything bad")

No serious adverse eff ects of infl uenza immunisation
in pregnancy have been reported in the few published
studies on vaccine safety. There are, however, limited
data on safety in the fi rst trimester.

Consideration should be given to developing
mechanisms for following up pregnancy outcomes after
maternal immunisation to augment passive surveillance,
particularly if national recommendations are broadened
for this group.

Ok...so let's hop over to the new analysis of the safety of the pandemic vax:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5848a4.htm

So, they're analysing info from VAERS and the VSD.

From VAERS:

The remaining 173 nonfatal serious adverse events after vaccination with H1N1 vaccines are under chart review. These reports fall into the following diagnostic categories: neurologic or muscular condition other than Guillain-Barré syndrome (49 [28%]); pneumonia or influenza-like illness (27 [16%]); other noninfectious conditions, including multiple medical symptoms (19 [11%]); respiratory or ear, nose, and throat condition (17 [10%]); allergic conditions other than anaphylaxis (16 [9%]); pregnancy complications** (15 [9%]); other infectious symptoms (10 [6%]); gastrointestinal (eight [5%]); cardiovascular (six [3%]); and psychiatric (six [3%]). Each category includes a variety of diagnoses; no patterns were identified.

They clarify "pregnancy complications" as:

** Stillbirth, spontaneous abortion, or preterm delivery.

So what do they say the VSD says about "pregnancy complications"?

VSD is a collaboration between CDC and eight managed-care organizations with a total of 9.5 million members, which utilizes administrative data and electronic medical records to collect information on vaccinations and health-care encounters to monitor vaccine safety. VSD is monitoring H1N1 vaccine safety using historical and other appropriate comparison groups, with weekly data analyses (4). As of November 21, 438,376 doses of H1N1 vaccines (323,345 MIV and 115,031 LAMV) had been administered to patients under VSD surveillance. During October 1--November 21, no cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome and one case of anaphylaxis were observed among vaccinated persons in VSD. In addition, VSD has detected no increase in rates for other monitored conditions: demyelinating disease, peripheral nervous system disease, seizure, encephalomyelitis, Bell's palsy, other cranial nerve disorders, ataxia, allergic reactions, and myocarditis. VSD will continue H1N1 vaccine safety monitoring throughout the vaccination campaign.

They're not monitoring pregnancy complications.


So...

Huh.

[Deborah]

It sounds to me as though they decided in advance that there weren't going to be any pregnancy complications.

[Jenelle]

Originally Posted by Deborah

It sounds to me as though they decided in advance that there weren't going to be any pregnancy complications.

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

from your link:

Umm... the CDC is claiming 10,000... so does that mean there's only been 2,200 in the rest of the world? And if so... how is this not screaming to the CDC (uh, or the general population) that the US is handling the situation VERY wrong?

Yeah - the WHO statistics compile individual countries and the WHO total shot way up the moment the CDC submitted their new, um, 'estimates'.

It would seem to me, that even if people thought the new overall estimate was possible - how could anyone buy that the CDC also estimated that there have been four times the number of pediatric deaths than have been reported? I mean, they are asking people to believe that 800 kids have unexpectedly and tragically died of swine flu and somehow, these deaths were not officially reported to the CDC. Because NO one notices when a child dies, the CDC has to really up those numbers to reflect reality...good grief!

[Turquesa]

Originally Posted by Deborah

It sounds to me as though they decided in advance that there weren't going to be any pregnancy complications.

And that pregnant women are mere pawns on which to be experimented...

[AnnieA]

H1N1 Vaccine triggers tics in 9 yr old?

Alright I need help from the gurus on vaccines. I've done a couple of quick google searches but nothing popped out.

On Dec. 15, DSS 9 came home for his weekly visit. DH and I noticed throughout the evening that he was making this wheeze/cough noise periodically. We occasionally asked him to stop making the noise and at one point, I asked him why he was making the noise. He said it helped him breathe better? We were decorating the christmas tree so DH and I thought maybe he was having a slight allergic reaction to the tree. DSS 9 left the next morning to go back to his mom's house and didn't come back to our house until Christmas Day.

Throughout Christmas weekend, it became very apparent that the noise that DSS 9 was making was a tic. It was also accompanied by a head roll. So we took him to the doctor the Monday following Christmas. His ped diagnosed him with asthma and was also concerned that it was the onset of PANDAS although a strep test came back negative. We spent the week getting his asthma under control and observing him to see if there were triggers for the tic. It became apparent that his tic would flare up/increase in frequency after a stressful interaction such as an argument with his sisters or talking on the phone with his mother.

He went back to his mom's house this past Monday afternoon and started a 2 week course of antibiotics. He came back home to our house on Tuesday evening. In the roughly 36 hours away from our house, he developed another tic which is a cross between a throat clearing and a grunt. I called his ped on Wednesday and told him that he had developed a new tic. His ped said that can happen with PANDAS once antibiotic treatment has started. He has a followup appt scheduled with his ped on Jan. 18.

Now to the H1N1 vaccine part. I had a thought in the back of my mind wondering if it could be vaccine related at all. I remembered that he had received the booster shot for the H1N1 vaccine some time before Christmas break at his elementary school. So I called the school nurse this morning to get the exact date. He received the booster shot on Dec. 11. Is it possible that the H1N1 vaccine booster shot has triggered these tics?

[Deborah]

He probably got the shot with thimerosal, i.e., mercury. I believe there was a study that children exposed to thimerosal were more likely to have tics. Anyone remember which study that was?

[AnnieA]

Is there an easy way for me to tell if either shot contained thimerosal?

[hillymum]

There was a news article a while back (3 months?) about a lady who reacted in a severe way. She was unable to walk or talk due to the muscle spasms. That was a very rare reaction. I will do a search to see if I can find it for you.

This site has a list of possible side effects to the H1N1 vac.

The condition it could possibly trigger is Guillian-Barre Syndrome. Do a search for h1n1 vaccine side effects Neurological disorders and you will get quite a few hits including this story which is the one I was looking for.

[Deborah]

I found the full-text of the thimerosal/tics article.

The spin put on this study was that it demonstrated the safety of thiimerosal, but there were some serious problems with the way the study was conducted, starting with the selection of participants: basically children with severe conditions tended to be selected out by their parents.

But read it for yourselves.

[mommy2maya]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

Is there an easy way for me to tell if either shot contained thimerosal?

Ask the dr? They should easily be able to tell you.

[caned & able]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

Is there an easy way for me to tell if either shot contained thimerosal?

Ask the doctor or ask to see the package insert. I would advise you to get the manufacturer, the lot and the batch number every time you vaccinate. Your doctor should record this in your child's record.

Or look it up on the manufacturer's website.

[mommy2maya]

Originally Posted by caned & able

Ask the doctor or ask to see the package insert. I would advise you to get the manufacturer, the lot and the batch number every time you vaccinate. Your doctor should record this in your child's record.

Or look it up on the manufacturer's website.

I'm pretty sure that it is law to do so, every time I have had my children vaccinated, I have to sign and they put lot # in their chart, and give me a copy of it.

[AnnieA]

Well the tricky part with this vaccine, both the first shot and the booster was that it was done at DSS 9's elementary school. It was a clinic that came in and did the shots for all the kids. So how does that info then get transferred into their files at the dr office? With their other vaccines (which I don't get much of a say in because I'm the step-mom, not the mom) you guys are right that the lot number was provided because it's written in their charts. But the H1N1 vaccine was different.

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by Deborah

I found the full-text of the thimerosal/tics article.

The spin put on this study was that it demonstrated the safety of thiimerosal, but there were some serious problems with the way the study was conducted, starting with the selection of participants: basically children with severe conditions tended to be selected out by their parents.

But read it for yourselves.

Thanks for this link. But as far as I could tell, it's a study regarding thimerosal exposure in babies and then observing how it affects them later on. This seems to be, if it's vaccine related at all, to have come on quite suddenly right after exposure to a vaccine.

[amnesiac]

Merging threads.

[mommy2maya]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

Well the tricky part with this vaccine, both the first shot and the booster was that it was done at DSS 9's elementary school. It was a clinic that came in and did the shots for all the kids. So how does that info then get transferred into their files at the dr office? With their other vaccines (which I don't get much of a say in because I'm the step-mom, not the mom) you guys are right that the lot number was provided because it's written in their charts. But the H1N1 vaccine was different.

When my kids had vaccines at their school (they did seasonal and h1n1 vaccine clinics), I was sent home a letter stating which type of vaccine (injection or flumist) and the lot number, manufacturer, when it was administered, if they needed a second dose, all on a paper to give to the ped. It was from dept of health for our county, so if I needed a new copy I could easily call them for the record. Did he get flumist or an injection? In our schools they were giving the mist to all kids eligible, and the injection to kids who had contraindications or parental objections to the mist. My son had just gotten over h1n1 a few weeks before they offered seasonal flu, so he got the injection. We didn't do h1n1 since we already had it.