January swine flu (2009 H1N1) thread - Page 3

[gardenmom]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

So how does that info then get transferred into their files at the dr office? With their other vaccines (which I don't get much of a say in because I'm the step-mom, not the mom) you guys are right that the lot number was provided because it's written in their charts. But the H1N1 vaccine was different.

I think they would record the lot number, etc. in his medical file at school, at the very minimum. There should be a very accessible paper trail.

[AnnieA]

I called his dr office and spoke with the nurse. She said that they do not get the information but it's kept in a database that the school nurse could probably access for me. In some ways, I feel like I am grasping at straws here. The fact is that it is most likely anxiety related, especially given how things are at his mom's house, but I can't shake the idea that it cropped up so quickly after getting the booster shot.

[gardenmom]

Originally Posted by mama1803

I just stumbled upon this article and thought it was interesting. Seems like alot of people in alot of places didn't buy into the fear mongering. There is quite the vaccine surplus out there.
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Yeah, that's why it's suddenly available and is being administered in our school this month It is too bad because I think that most kids have gotten over their colds, etc. now that they've settled in and been around each other for several months. Now we will have another spike in illness after they circulate the live mist.

Now we have to decide if we will take a day off to avoid contact with the shed for a few days.

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by gardenmom

Yeah, that's why it's suddenly available and is being administered in our school this month It is too bad because I think that most kids have gotten over their colds, etc. now that they've settled in and been around each other for several months. Now we will have another spike in illness after they circulate the live mist.

Now we have to decide if we will take a day off to avoid contact with the shed for a few days.

Not to mention adding it to the pediatric vaccination schedule as an annual vaccine for all children 6 months +

[mommy2maya]

Our school gave the vaccine last month. No illnesses from it, the absentee rate didn't change at all. I imagine the biggest reason for any surplus is the fact that h1n1 circulated in early oct many places, and most people feel that its not necessary now that they already had it

[MommytoB]

It's like I say I don't trust the h1n1 disease at times and wonder why some kids who have died from secondary complications what caused their chance to be dead over some who had the same complications but survived ?

Which I bet is higher and I hate when grandparents try to get in to parent your child .

I don't trust flu shot or H1n1 shot nor do I trust them and just because they are in the medical system doesn't mean it's okay or if it's given to by a doctor .

I am giving mom a run around because I want her to butt out of my medical decisions but instead she continuing saying H1n1 shot is needed for Brendan what is the big deal for him to not get when your brother, his wife, their baby , me and your stepfather got it. Accusing me of neglecting my son and I'm like they don't know why I have a reason to 'fear'.

I used to be like them doctor vax one available go get one you know but then after I learned things of vaxes I started fearing them !!!!!!!!!

Then when I feared his shots that were his kindergartener boosters I was like sigh I don't trust those but then I don't know of any those other diseases which hadn't been around .

Then I just cross my fingers that brendan doesn't come down with some secondary complication because I remember when brendan had just a high fever mom was giving me look he may have the flu stating if he has the flu because he had no shot you were the one who could have prevented him from getting sick then it turned out he didn't even have influenza.

[TRIBE]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

from your link:

Umm... the CDC is claiming 10,000... so does that mean there's only been 2,200 in the rest of the world? And if so... how is this not screaming to the CDC (uh, or the general population) that the US is handling the situation VERY wrong?

I mean, from that link, CHINA (with it's some, 2 BILLION citizens?) claims only 659 swine flu deaths in 2009... maybe something's not adding up here...

So, is it the CDC's fuzzy numbers or is it that Americans are in such poor health or, or, or...

And why is this not SHOCKING to the rest of the population?

where can we find direct links for these numbers? when I search out statistics this is what I found

Worldwide H1N1 (Swine Flu) Infection Data
Summary of Statistics
Official US Total:
(According to CDC)44640 cases, 4869 deaths
Unofficial US Total:
(Other Reliable Sources)111324 cases, 4869 deaths
Worldwide Total:
(Various Reliable Sources)1562049 cases, 16665 deaths
Most Infected States:
(According to CDC)Wisconsin: 6222 cases
Texas: 5151 cases
Illinois: 3404 cases
Most Infected Countries:
(Various Reliable Sources)Germany: 209885 cases
Portugal: 166922 cases
Argentina: 142592 cases

[MommytoB]

How many here have had a h1n1 shot and their kids vaxed with mercury shot or free of mercury shot ?

Would the no mercury shot still contain squalene ?

What were your reactions , friend reactions, kid reactions etc ?

[mama1803]

Originally Posted by gardenmom

Yeah, that's why it's suddenly available and is being administered in our school this month It is too bad because I think that most kids have gotten over their colds, etc. now that they've settled in and been around each other for several months. Now we will have another spike in illness after they circulate the live mist.

Now we have to decide if we will take a day off to avoid contact with the shed for a few days.

No kidding. The second H1N1 vax clinic at my ds elementary school is tomorrow. The first was in early December. Half of the kids in my ds class who received the mist then were absent 2 days later and missed the next several days of school. But I just read an article on Health.com that said it is impossible to get the flu from the flu mist.

[mama1803]

As swine flu ebbs, officials stress the importance of getting the vaccine

Lies, lies, and more lies.



http://news.health.com/2010/01/09/as...ne/#more-30192

[Deborah]

The flu can take a toll on people of all ages, but in the current H1N1 swine flu pandemic the burden falls heaviest on children and young adults. Since April the U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that more than 1,000 children and almost 7,500 adults ages 18 to 64 have died.

from the link in mama1803's post, thanks.

But pediatric deaths HAVE to be reported and there have been roughly 250 reported deaths in children. This ESTIMATE would mean that the reporting system is badly broken and 750 plus deaths in children were MISSED.

I don't like the thought that the CDC reporting system has broken down, do you? Perhaps we should all get in touch and ask what has gone wrong, that 3/4 of the pediatric deaths were NOT reported.

[mama1803]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

Alright I need help from the gurus on vaccines. I've done a couple of quick google searches but nothing popped out.

On Dec. 15, DSS 9 came home for his weekly visit. DH and I noticed throughout the evening that he was making this wheeze/cough noise periodically. We occasionally asked him to stop making the noise and at one point, I asked him why he was making the noise. He said it helped him breathe better? We were decorating the christmas tree so DH and I thought maybe he was having a slight allergic reaction to the tree. DSS 9 left the next morning to go back to his mom's house and didn't come back to our house until Christmas Day.

Throughout Christmas weekend, it became very apparent that the noise that DSS 9 was making was a tic. It was also accompanied by a head roll. So we took him to the doctor the Monday following Christmas. His ped diagnosed him with asthma and was also concerned that it was the onset of PANDAS although a strep test came back negative. We spent the week getting his asthma under control and observing him to see if there were triggers for the tic. It became apparent that his tic would flare up/increase in frequency after a stressful interaction such as an argument with his sisters or talking on the phone with his mother.

He went back to his mom's house this past Monday afternoon and started a 2 week course of antibiotics. He came back home to our house on Tuesday evening. In the roughly 36 hours away from our house, he developed another tic which is a cross between a throat clearing and a grunt. I called his ped on Wednesday and told him that he had developed a new tic. His ped said that can happen with PANDAS once antibiotic treatment has started. He has a followup appt scheduled with his ped on Jan. 18.

Now to the H1N1 vaccine part. I had a thought in the back of my mind wondering if it could be vaccine related at all. I remembered that he had received the booster shot for the H1N1 vaccine some time before Christmas break at his elementary school. So I called the school nurse this morning to get the exact date. He received the booster shot on Dec. 11. Is it possible that the H1N1 vaccine booster shot has triggered these tics?

PANDAS can bring on facial tics, but so can a magnesium deficiency. I did a ton of research on this about a year and a half ago when my ds started with facial tics (we had stopped vaxxing years before, though). First it was his eyes, then a twitching of his nose accompanied by him throwing his head back, then twitching lips. We started supplementing with magnesium and all the tics stopped pretty quickly. If that hadn't worked we would have moved forward with the blood work for PANDAS.

Perhaps his body used it stores of magnesium in dealing with the virus and/or detoxing from all the junk in the vaccine.

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by mama1803

PANDAS can bring on facial tics, but so can a magnesium deficiency. I did a ton of research on this about a year and a half ago when my ds started with facial tics (we had stopped vaxxing years before, though). First it was his eyes, then a twitching of his nose accompanied by him throwing his head back, then twitching lips. We started supplementing with magnesium and all the tics stopped pretty quickly. If that hadn't worked we would have moved forward with the blood work for PANDAS.

Perhaps his body used it stores of magnesium in dealing with the virus and/or detoxing from all the junk in the vaccine.

Thanks for mentioning this. The nurse at his ped's office tried to assure me that the vaccine booster couldn't have caused the tics but it just seems so strange to me that they happened right around the same time.

Off to research magnesium supplements for kids.

[mama1803]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

Thanks for mentioning this. The nurse at his ped's office tried to assure me that the vaccine booster couldn't have caused the tics but it just seems so strange to me that they happened right around the same time.

Off to research magnesium supplements for kids.

It's not surprising that the nurse told you that the vaccine couldn't have caused the tics. Those in the medical community almost never admit to vaccines having side effects (other than maybe the standard sore leg or redness at the injection site). Good for you for following your gut and seeking out more info.

I no longer have my bookmarks with all the research I had done, but if I remember anything that might be helpful I'll post. I do remember that Dr. Bock mentioned PANDAS and facial tics (as well as the specific antibody tests for PANDAS) as well as magnesium and facial tics in his book "The New Childhood Epidemics".

[mija y mijo]

H1N1 Flu Is a False Pandemic, Health Expert Claims

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582749,00.html

[MommytoB]

Question is why do they say their is no way to check out for h1n1/swine flu antibodies because look what I found

Swine Influenza Virus (SIV)
Swine influenza is an acute infectious respiratory disease of swine caused by type A influenza viruses. The disease is characterized by a sudden onset, coughing, dyspnea, fever and prostration, followed by rapid recovery.

HerdChek* Swine Influenza Virus (H1N1) Antibody Test Kit

The IDEXX SIV (H1N1) antibody ELISA allows rapid screening for the presence of antibodies to subtype H1N1 swine influenza, which can be an indicator of exposure to the virus. Monitoring the immune status of a herd, maternal antibody decay, vaccine immune response, and field virus interaction with vaccination program with regard to SIV (H1N1) can play an important role in the control of swine influenza virus.

HerdChek* Swine Influenza Virus (H3N2) Antibody Test Kit

The IDEXX SIV (H3N2) antibody ELISA allows rapid screening for the presence of antibodies to subtype H3N2 swine influenza, which can be an indicator of exposure to the virus. Monitoring the immune status of a herd, maternal antibody decay, vaccine immune response, and field virus interaction with vaccination program with regard to SIV (H3N2) can play an important role in the control of swine influenza virus.


http://www.elokarsa.com/front/index....=58&Itemid=121

[MommytoB]

That news article is so disturbing !!!!! Did it say that the vaccine by Novartis was made from cancerous cells ?

How very risky that is ! Is that even the preservative free one ? I wonder if the vaxes are the reason why many kids are coming down with cancer these days .

Nearly every year I see about an estimate of 10 kids being diagnosed with cancer as in the under 5 range to under 10 range .

[mommy2maya]

I'm pretty sure that the test is for SWINE.

[gardenmom]

Originally Posted by MommytoB

That news article is so disturbing !!!!! Did it say that the vaccine by Novartis was made from cancerous cells ?

How very risky that is ! Is that even the preservative free one ? I wonder if the vaxes are the reason why many kids are coming down with cancer these days .

Nearly every year I see about an estimate of 10 kids being diagnosed with cancer as in the under 5 range to under 10 range .

That alarmed me as well. I found an interview with Wolfgang Wodarg here:
http://www.truthout.org/109103Ducoin
(Do a search for the word 'cancerous' to find the text on the page.)

In the interview, he explains that Novartis used a new technique with fast growing cells to grow the virus more quickly than they can with eggs. He contends that since there was little to no testing on this process, there could be remnants of cells in the vaccine (in the same way there are remnants of egg in vaccines where egg is the culture) and that those cells used to grow the virus are designed/chosen grow very quickly in a manner similar to cancer, so there is no knowing what they could do if not screened out properly. Very frightening.

He says that vaccine (called Obta flu) was used in the EU (but not in Germany, who refused it) I can't see from the article what other countries used it.

[MommytoB]

I wonder how quickly would that make people get cancer ? Would we now see a increase of bone cancer/breast cancer ?