New Childhood Vaccine Schedule Released - Page 3

[Deborah]

Exactly, combo shots are really handy for "shrinking" the number of apparent vaccines. Hence, I think, the huge lashback at Wakefield for suggesting that separate shots, spaced apart, might be safer. He was attacking a key strategy of the current vaccine rollout. And I doubt that he had any idea that he was doing any such thing. He was just thinking about the safety of the kids. Silly, silly man.

[calebsmommy25]

Here is the link to the fda summary of gardasil and their studies.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Advisor.../UCM181372.pdf

Product insert: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM111263.pdf


Pushing combo vaxs is a clever idea to hide making more money and making it seem like the kids aren't getting as many shots as they really are. I think it is crazy that those who just don't vax are irresponsible in some way...I think those who do vax just because that is what they are 'supposed to do' are the irresponsible ones.

Every parent has the right to choose if they want to vax fully, selectively or not at all. It isn't my place to judge one or the other, however, a parent who chooses without being fully informed does bother me. It is about informed consent, and alot of parents don't even know what is going into their little one's bodies through these shots. Many parents don't do all of the research. That makes me sad.

[caned & able]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

Also, do people die of genital warts? is it still to protect against a few strains that may occasionally cause cervical cancer in women? ?

Genital warts in men and women are supposed to be caused by the same virus that causes cervical cancer, the human papilloma virus, HPV, women.

The death rate from cervical cancer has dropped dramatically because of better and earlier detection. Furthermore, the incidence has dropped also, so the vaccine is superfluous. However, in thirty years, the vaccine will get the credit for the drop in mortality and morbidity. This is something that is true of all vaccines.

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by caned & able

Genital warts in men and women are supposed to be caused by the same virus that causes cervical cancer, the human papilloma virus, HPV, women.

The death rate from cervical cancer has dropped dramatically because of better and earlier detection. Furthermore, the incidence has dropped also, so the vaccine is superfluous. However, in thirty years, the vaccine will get the credit for the drop in mortality and morbidity. This is something that is true of all vaccines.

From what I understand there are a huge number of HPV viruses, only a few cause genital warts and other ones cause cervical cancer (there's like 7 or something that cause cervical cancer? only a couple or 3 of them are in the girl's HPV vaccine)... so which viruses accounts for the boys? As PP quoted, there are different viruses that cause the warts than cause the cancer? Something like that?

[caned & able]

There are over 80 varieties of HPV. The vaccine protects against 4 varieties, the major ones.

[Deborah]

The vaccine doesn't just "protect" it is supposed to get the body to kick out those particular viruses. Now, theoretically, that might be the end of the problem, but if there are 80 varieties, what is to stop one of the other 76 from expanding its territory and begin to cause serious problems?

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Deborah

Now, theoretically, that might be the end of the problem, but if there are 80 varieties, what is to stop one of the other 76 from expanding its territory and begin to cause serious problems?

But that's the beauty of this, we can't really know without extended, large scale experiments, and now we get one. And in a decade or so, we can tally it up and see what's happening then!

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by caned & able

There are over 80 varieties of HPV. The vaccine protects against 4 varieties, the major ones.

Yes, but I thought I had read that one of them (or two?) didn't have anything to do with cervical cancer. I read that a long time ago, though, so I could be mistaken...

[SunshineJ]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

Yes, but I thought I had read that one of them (or two?) didn't have anything to do with cervical cancer. I read that a long time ago, though, so I could be mistaken...

Well like I said, the CDC states that the strains that cause cervical cancer are NOT the same strains that cause genital warts. The vax protects against 4 strains of HPV. 2 of those cause genital warts, ergo one would then be free to assume that the HPV in actuality only protects against TWO strains that cause cervical cancer. But don't tell them you figured that out - you'll ruin their marketing campaigns!

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by SunshineJ

Well like I said, the CDC states that the strains that cause cervical cancer are NOT the same strains that cause genital warts. The vax protects against 4 strains of HPV. 2 of those cause genital warts, ergo one would then be free to assume that the HPV in actuality only protects against TWO strains that cause cervical cancer. But don't tell them you figured that out - you'll ruin their marketing campaigns!

[Deborah]

Deborah wrote:

The vaccine doesn't just "protect" it is supposed to get the body to kick out those particular viruses. Now, theoretically, that might be the end of the problem, but if there are 80 varieties, what is to stop one of the other 76 from expanding its territory and begin to cause serious problems?

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

But that's the beauty of this, we can't really know without extended, large scale experiments, and now we get one. And in a decade or so, we can tally it up and see what's happening then!

This is supposed to cheer us up?

[Hopesmommy]

Originally Posted by ShadowMoon

Nope, never stops

What also gets me is the combined vax statement. Why not offer the single doses/vaxes anyway? (I'm thionking of MMR). Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why not give parents the option? I think I can handle making separate trips to the Dr. office if I choose to do so. From a CDC standpoint, wouldn't it be better for a kid to get some vaccines instead of no vaccines?

Oh well. I'm not surprised.

I agree with you and that reasoning. I've never understood why it has to be all or nothing with the doctors' offices.