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post #41 of 96
Where I live they try to cram as many calories in to the breakfast and lunch option as they can, to make up for the fact that so many students do not eat hot meals at home It is sad to think of so many kids going hungry, and it helps me to understand why the food seems so high in calories.

I do not know how high school is set up, only elementary and middle. Anyhow, in the district I used to teach in the kids have a choice of plain or chocolate milk, but they are limited to just two bags of it- we have bags not cartons. I think there is 6 oz of milk per bag.

The kids who pay for lunch are billed monthly after they eat. But we don't have options for extras, so the parents are only billed for the price of the hot meal option. I can see how it would cause a problem if they could buy extras.

When I was in school myself we used the lunch ticket system. You bought your tickets and could get lunch that way. The teachers all had extra tickets to cover you if you forgot your ticket or lost it. That helped avoid the problem of sending kids to school with money every day. Sadly a lot of kids are bullied and had their lunch money stolen daily That at least stopped that problem from happening.

The pre K I work for only serves 2% white milk. We have never had chocolate before.
post #42 of 96
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Originally Posted by AnnieA View Post
Well on the surface, I would agree with you that the actual problem is the debit-style program rather than the chocolate milk. But really what is happening is that we, as grownups, are asking small children to make rational, reasonable decisions that they are just not capable of. I feel that part of my job as the grownup caring for children is to help them work through why or why not certain food choices are being offered. For example, my kids would eat dessert every night if given the chance to make that decision on their own. However as the grownup, it's my job to say "you had ice cream this afternoon with Daddy so we are not going to have candy after dinner tonight." By doing so, I hope to impart the idea of moderation to them and respect for what their bodies can handle. I think it's unreasonable to expect a kindergartner to say "You know, I've already had chocolate milk twice this week, I think I'll choose skim milk today instead." So the more reasonable solution to me seems to be to remove those choices that get easily abused.

I couldn't agree with this more.
post #43 of 96
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Originally Posted by eepster View Post
Then it's an issue of the overall quality of the item, not the simple fact that it's chocolate. The chocolate milk I serve DS on a regular basis contains: organic low fat milk (I wish it was whole milk, but can't find that; when we make it at home, I use whole,) organic cocoa, organic cane sugar.

If I were going to fight for better milk in schools: I'd leave the chocolate option that is actually going to be consumed, and focus instead on trying to get high quality milk into schools. Preferably organic, but at least hormone free. I'd also try to get soymilk added as an option for those of us who are lactose intolerant.

I worry much less about a few extra calories from some cocoa and sugar than the nasty hormones cows are given.
Agree with this. Organic doesn't have HFCS either.
post #44 of 96
Dd#2's school serves not only chocolate milk, but rootbeer flavored milk daily as a choice. They all seem to contain HFCS and a bunch of other junk. While there is a salad bar, it seems to be filled with mandarin oranges, iceberg lettuce, and other items that are not particularly appealing. Even though dds qualified for free lunch at the start of the year, that would be the reason that they never ate school lunch. Even on a limited budget, I could do better than that.
post #45 of 96
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Just FYI, Most chocolate milk also has Red 40
Not that I've ever seen.
Not in Prairie Farms which is a major mainstream dairy, and not in the store brand stuff I get.

"Milk, sugar, nonfat milk, high fructose corn syrup, cream, cocoa (processed with alkali), cocoa, food starch, salt, carageenan, vanillin (an artificial flavor)" is the ingredient list for the Dean's milk chug chocolate flavor.

It's not great, obviously, but it doesn't actually have Red 40.
post #46 of 96
This thread is making me want chocolate milk...

I agree that the quality of milk, and perhaps the system by which the children choose and purchase food are the real issues. Also, I would love for schools (and other places for that matter) to begin carrying a lactose free option. My son always has to choose between juice and water, which is fine, but I'm sure when he's in school and all of his friends are having chocolate milk, he will wish he could have it too. I'm fairly sure that the "juice" served in public schools is even worse than the milk, so I'd really rather him not have that. He loves water, but will choose juice over water about half the time.
post #47 of 96
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Originally Posted by AnnieA View Post
You are making the assumption that a child will only drink one carton of chocolate milk per lunch. I've spent plenty of time in my kids' elementary school cafeteria and let me tell you, there's a lot more chocolate milk being consumed than one carton per child per lunch. As a PP said, the lunch program in my school district works off of a debit-style system. So kids have the option to keep "buying" things until the money runs out. They can go up and buy chips, fruit snacks, multiple cartons of chocolate milk, cookies the size of their faces, etc. I've told/asked my kids to buy skim milk or drink water. But real-world app of that request is the purchase of chocolate milk.
Wow, I would really be wanting them to change this. That is how it was at my junior high & high school, but elementary school

At my kids' school they can choose milk, chocolate milk, juice or nothing to drink (I think most of the teachers let the kids have water bottles on their desks at all times and most also have water fountains in the class rooms). Then you get a main entree and as much "salad bar" as you want (some of the salad bar stuff is definately not salad ). For the past 10 years the pediatrician has been telling us that chocolate/flavored milk isn't an issue even as every single serving of milk if it is low/non fat and your child has a good diet otherwise and is a healthy weight. Basically, that the milk intake is more important than the extra calories. Esp in our school where so many children are vegetarian I don't think the few extra calories is that big of deal. So what if it has the same sugar/calories as pop---- it also has a good amt of calcium & protein.
post #48 of 96
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Originally Posted by kittykat2481 View Post
This thread is making me want chocolate milk...

I agree that the quality of milk, and perhaps the system by which the children choose and purchase food are the real issues. Also, I would love for schools (and other places for that matter) to begin carrying a lactose free option. My son always has to choose between juice and water, which is fine, but I'm sure when he's in school and all of his friends are having chocolate milk, he will wish he could have it too. I'm fairly sure that the "juice" served in public schools is even worse than the milk, so I'd really rather him not have that. He loves water, but will choose juice over water about half the time.
DD can't have cow's milk either. They don't have a juice or water option unfortunately, so we send in a thermos with her own milk, even on days she gets a hot lunch. So if your son wanted chocolate milk or just milk for lunch that may be a way it would work.
post #49 of 96
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Originally Posted by kittykat2481 View Post
This thread is making me want chocolate milk...

I agree that the quality of milk, and perhaps the system by which the children choose and purchase food are the real issues. Also, I would love for schools (and other places for that matter) to begin carrying a lactose free option. My son always has to choose between juice and water, which is fine, but I'm sure when he's in school and all of his friends are having chocolate milk, he will wish he could have it too. I'm fairly sure that the "juice" served in public schools is even worse than the milk, so I'd really rather him not have that. He loves water, but will choose juice over water about half the time.
The juice they serve in our school HAS to be 100% juice.
post #50 of 96
Milk is "extra" (25cents I think) at my DD school water is of course free they can choose eaither white or chocolate my DD doesn't like chocolate so shes always chooses white so for me thats really a non issue but honestly is she did I'd be fine with it. I've kinda had to relax a lot on the whole school lunch thing. I'm not a huge school lunch fan especially many meals served at my DD school (the chocolate vs white is the very least issue in my book) the hot pockets and declaring fries and ketchup as two veggie choices ..
However sadly my pregancy has taken a huge tole on my body and ability to think straight and prepare decent meals for my DD So we now go through her school lunch list she gets to choose the days shes wants a school lunch its ussally the days there serving some chicken something or plain pizza (she avoids the meatloafs hot pockets taco ect days) and I provide the school with enough money to cover for those day (an account) plus a milk. The other days shes gets PB and J a bannana water and or juice cause she will eat it and I don't have to think to hard to prepare it.
As for the extra calories I totally don't mind shes is a finiky eatter actually eats fairly "healthy" overall doesn't like a lot of sweets ect but eats small and happily skips meals. Yet school lunches are at 10:30am they go from then till around 2:30 with out food then get a small snack (home provided) right before dismissal. Yet shes also running out on the playground at least twice during the school day needs fuel to do her work spelling tests ect... As soon as she gets home she beelines for her friends riding her bike or scooter or chasing the neighbors dog from around 3pm when we get home to around 7pm when we delare it dinner and way too dark to still be outside. She is easily burning off the calories in a small container of milk and a few breaded nuggets. and of course her meals served at home won't be like those at school.

Deanna
post #51 of 96
DS1 is in 1/2 day PM K, where they have snack in the cafeteria around 1:30pm. If they buy their snack, the options are choc milk, reg milk or juice. But since my son is hypoglycemic, juice is a big no-no, especially since "snack" is usually actually lunch (they get on the bus at 11:20 and we rarely get him to eat a full proper lunch before going to school).

However, I had to get a dr's note telling them that he HAD to have milk and not juice. Seriously, a note from the ped was required. I have allowed chocolate milk for days he buys his snack but I really don't like it -he doesn't need the extra sugar...
post #52 of 96
I must say that I disagree completely with making an issue out of the milk thing. Arguing about the difference between white commercial milk and choco commercial milk is, imo, just ridiculous. It's like being upset your child is being offerred a chocolate twinkie instead of a white twinkie. They are both poisonous, toxic, unhealthy NON-food substances that have no place being consumed into a human beings body.
I agree school lunches are, for the most part, awful, unhealthy conglomerations of surplus, subsidized , processed, chemical-laden mostly non-food substances that absolutely ARE one of the reasons americans are fat and unhealthy.
But putting forth one iota of energy trying to wean your kid of the chocolate poison and onto the plain poison is just...such a useless way to spend your time and effort. And what mom has time and energy to waste?
post #53 of 96
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Originally Posted by SunshineJ View Post
Per 1 cup serving 2% milk has 122 calories, 5 grams of fat (3 saturated), vs. the chocolate lowfat which has 157 calories and 3g fat (2 saturated). You're talking an average of an additional 6300 calories (1.8 lbs)over the course of 9 months. I don't think that's really causing a childhood obesity epidemic. Now the FOOD the school serves may be another story!
1 cup serving 2% milk has 12g sugars, 1 cup serving chocolate lowfat has 25g sugars.

And that is why people are worried that chocolate milk is causing a childhood obesity epidemic.

Sugar is bad. For instance, eating too much sugar can actually trigger a low blood sugar response as the body puts out a ton of insulin to cope with the sugar spike, creating lethargy. Excess insulin increases fat storage, particularly in the abdomen.

People who eat too much sugar are at a risk for having higher body fat percentages than people of the same weight and activity level who don't eat sugar because of the way sugar messes with the bodies chemistry.

And eating sugar (and refined grains, sadly) creates a craving for sugar. So a child who drinks chocolate milk (and has a syrupy fruit cup and a cookie) at lunch is more likely to want a sugary snack when they get home. Sure, the sugar difference in the chocolate milk alone might not be enough to trigger the problems (although since it's glutose and not lactose it is hitting the body harder) if the rest of the meal is fine, but that isn't the case with many school lunches.
post #54 of 96
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
1 cup serving 2% milk has 12g sugars, 1 cup serving chocolate lowfat has 25g sugars.

And that is why people are worried that chocolate milk is causing a childhood obesity epidemic.

Sugar is bad. For instance, eating too much sugar can actually trigger a low blood sugar response as the body puts out a ton of insulin to cope with the sugar spike, creating lethargy. Excess insulin increases fat storage, particularly in the abdomen.

People who eat too much sugar are at a risk for having higher body fat percentages than people of the same weight and activity level who don't eat sugar because of the way sugar messes with the bodies chemistry.

And eating sugar (and refined grains, sadly) creates a craving for sugar. So a child who drinks chocolate milk (and has a syrupy fruit cup and a cookie) at lunch is more likely to want a sugary snack when they get home. Sure, the sugar difference in the chocolate milk alone might not be enough to trigger the problems (although since it's glutose and not lactose it is hitting the body harder) if the rest of the meal is fine, but that isn't the case with many school lunches.
And sitting on your duff playing video games all night, having recesses taken away, seeing the school serve 600 calorie "snacks" 2 hrs before lunch, soda and McDonald's have nothing to do with childhood obesity- the main culprit is chocolate milk? Really I don't get it. You don't want your kid to have chocolate milk, then tell them not to get it or provide an alternative. We do this everyday with our dd who's allergic to cow's milk, even when she buys a hot lunch. There are SO many other contributing factors to obesity and it's related conditions, things you can control for your child, that I don't really see why it's such a huge concern for strangers if my son decides to have chocolate milk for lunch when it's offered and if DH and I allow it.
post #55 of 96
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
1 cup serving 2% milk has 12g sugars, 1 cup serving chocolate lowfat has 25g sugars.
And a cup of fruit yogurt has 25-40 gr of sugar, but doesn't get the same bad rap that choc milk does.

What about the health benefits of chocolate, huh??!! (kidding. mostly. )


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Sure, the sugar difference in the chocolate milk alone might not be enough to trigger the problems .
I agree

eta...I disagree that sugar is bad. Excessive sugar is bad. Sugar in moderation is a gift from the gods
post #56 of 96
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Originally Posted by bobandjess99 View Post
I must say that I disagree completely with making an issue out of the milk thing. Arguing about the difference between white commercial milk and choco commercial milk is, imo, just ridiculous. It's like being upset your child is being offerred a chocolate twinkie instead of a white twinkie. They are both poisonous, toxic, unhealthy NON-food substances that have no place being consumed into a human beings body.
I agree school lunches are, for the most part, awful, unhealthy conglomerations of surplus, subsidized , processed, chemical-laden mostly non-food substances that absolutely ARE one of the reasons americans are fat and unhealthy.
But putting forth one iota of energy trying to wean your kid of the chocolate poison and onto the plain poison is just...such a useless way to spend your time and effort. And what mom has time and energy to waste?
It's milk, not koolaid or draino. And I would honestly urge you to check out the cafeteria at your local school. Honestly, I think you have a very outdated view of what is being served in schools these days. At our school, on a normal day, they have a freshly made lunch that is 99% fresh, whole foods, including baked chicken, fresh veggies daily, whole raw fruit daily, hormone free milk. It might not be gourmet organic food cooked by famous chefs, but it is FAR from 'poisonous non-foods'
post #57 of 96
I said "is causing an obesity epidemic" when I meant to say "is contributing to an obesity epidemic"

Hope that clears things up a bit!
post #58 of 96
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eta...I disagree that sugar is bad. Excessive sugar is bad. Sugar in moderation is a gift from the gods
First off,

I was addressing two points.

1. that some kids don't stop at 1 chocolate milk. One chocolate milk, that's not enough sugar to worry about unless a kid is so sensitive to sugar that they also have to watch their fruit intake. But 5? 6? On top of sugars in the meal? And then they come home crashing from the sugar intake and want a sugary snack after school, and over eat on that instead of going outside to play because they feel hungry.

2. The assertion that being lower in fat than regular milk meant that chocolate milk was healthy. The fat content isn't the problem. It'd actually be *better* if it were full fat so that the proportion of sugar was lower and it'd be easier for kids to stop with one.
post #59 of 96
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Originally Posted by SunshineJ View Post
serve 600 calorie "snacks" 2 hrs before lunch
Sugars or refined grains? I'm asking because that could explain why some kids need to buy chips and such at lunch.

I'm lazy and don't have the budget to pull it off, but I did try going grain and sugar free for a day. It was astonishing how easy it was to not snack all day. I literally went from a couple of weeks of all day snacking and still feeling hungry to two meals and feeling satisfied.
post #60 of 96
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
And I would honestly urge you to check out the cafeteria at your local school. Honestly, I think you have a very outdated view of what is being served in schools these days. At our school, on a normal day, they have a freshly made lunch that is 99% fresh, whole foods, including baked chicken, fresh veggies daily, whole raw fruit daily, hormone free milk. It might not be gourmet organic food cooked by famous chefs, but it is FAR from 'poisonous non-foods'
Great for you! That's not how it is here, though. Not even close. Pre-made single serving size meals in plastic wrap are heated up for the students. This is in a relatively prosperous community, too. (The lunch vendor was new last year, and many parents have complained...)
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