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post #81 of 96
The milk company my school uses just came out with a new chocolate milk to replace their old recipe. Of course it has more sugar than I'd like my students to be getting at lunch, but it's actually not TOO bad as far as that stuff goes. It has: "Lowfat Milk, Sugar, Cocoa Processed With Alkali, Corn Starch, Salt, Carrageenan, Vanillin (An Artificial Flavor), Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D3" and it's all from Maine farms with no growth hormones.

A few years ago one of the schools around here stopped serving chocolate and strawberry milk. The kids organized a boycott! They stopped drinking any milk in the school until they got their flavored ones back. So they compromised--chocolate would come back, but not strawberry. Around the same time my school stopped serving strawberry too.
post #82 of 96
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Originally Posted by ecoteat View Post
A few years ago one of the schools around here stopped serving chocolate and strawberry milk. The kids organized a boycott! They stopped drinking any milk in the school until they got their flavored ones back. .
post #83 of 96
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
Honestly, I don't think you realize that there are NATIONAL standards that list WHAT can and can not be offered. I doubt that anywhere but the most elite, $$$$$$ private school would offer the meal that you made for your family. There are strict adherents as far as fat content, calorie content, carb content, veggie offerings, etc. We are no longer in the clinton years, Ketchup is not a veggie. So, while the offerings may not be the ideal organic diet that some eschew as the only possible healthy option, while all other options are poison, they are options that fit into usda standards for the specific age groups, with strict portion sizes.
I think that many parents are aware that there are national standards as far as what schools can and cannot serve. Personally, I am unimpressed with what the mainstream (like the USDA) consider to be "healthy" eating, though.

Take for example the USDA Food Pyramid for kids. It advises that all dairy be the fat free or low fat variety. What most people don't know is that fat free and low fat versions of milk contain milk powder has been spray dried and added back to give body and texture to the low fat milk. This spray dried milk is oxidized cholesterol. While cholesterol in foods isn't all bad, oxidized cholestrol a major contributor to arterial plaque buildup. Spray drying of milk also creates MSG, which is then present in the milk once the powdered milk is added back in. Nina Planck also talks about this in her book "Real Food: What to Eat and Why".

There are numerous examples of why I think the USDA recommendations are actually unhealthy food options. As a parent who doesn't serve the SAD, I don't take much comfort in the fact that my child's school serves meals based on these national standards. And while I agree that funding really limits what can be served in schools, I think a big part of the impediment to healthy eating is actually the fact that most people just don't realize how the current methods of processing of food destroys it nutritional content.
post #84 of 96
Our district serves chocolate milk and honestly I have a much bigger issue with the fact that the average meal if children choose all the options is nearly 800 calories. I don't think the problem is chocolate milk.
post #85 of 96
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
It's milk, not koolaid or draino. And I would honestly urge you to check out the cafeteria at your local school. Honestly, I think you have a very outdated view of what is being served in schools these days. At our school, on a normal day, they have a freshly made lunch that is 99% fresh, whole foods, including baked chicken, fresh veggies daily, whole raw fruit daily, hormone free milk. It might not be gourmet organic food cooked by famous chefs, but it is FAR from 'poisonous non-foods'
I eat lunch with my child weekly; this is what I have seen:

  • sugar coated honey gram cereal with chocolate milk (with corn syrup) and pop tarts, for the free breakfast
  • corn dogs
  • fried fish on white bread rolls
  • the nastiest frozen pizza I have ever tried
  • tater tots (also nasty)
  • yogurt with HFC and a couple other strange things
  • hotdogs on white bread rolls
However, I have also seen grilled chicken salad, sides of plain corn, and sides of fruit.

School lunch has improved a bit since I was a child, but not enough that I would allow it everyday. My ds REALLY likes buying lunch, and his teacher thought that allowing it sometimes would improve his behavior (long story), but she also acknowledged that it was not good food and that what I sent in his laptop lunchbox was much better. Our compromise with ds was that he could buy it on Fridays when most everyone else did. I drew the line at a daily chocolate milk though; I'll give that to him at home.
post #86 of 96
My kids school doesn't serve Chocolate Milk but I wish that they did. I admit my kids drink way too much juice and lemonade at home. They are only allowed 1 6oz juice box with lunch which they can't drink till after they eat. They won't drink water unless they are really dehydrated or white milk. They always come home dehydrated and grumpy hungry. Both my kids are underweight (bottom 10% for weight) for there heights (top 25%).

My kids both started chocolate milk at 2 yrs as the pediatrician insisted they needed cow milk (for calcium and weight) and they were still nursing and would not TOUCH white milk.

They attend private Montessori school and school lunch is healthy and organic but frequently hard to get kids to eat.

Jennifer
post #87 of 96
My ds's in kindy and he drinks choc milk every day. He hates regular milk. I would be very upset if 1 parent who didn't want their own kid to have choc milk caused the school to take away ds's beloved drink.

And before anyone flames me about the ds drinking it everyday, let me just say that I could really could care less. He eats a generally healthy diet. I highly doubt 1 carton of milk a day is going to make him obese.
post #88 of 96
I don't think chocolate milk is the biggest problem with school lunches, but I still wouldn't like my child served chocolate milk every day. We eat treats and desserts sometimes, but they don't need to have a sugary drink with their lunch.
post #89 of 96
Oh and for people worried about their kids still getting it even if you said not to, I'd reconsider that. We had my dd's bday party this weekend, a bunch of 8-9-10yo girls. THREE told me that they weren't allowed to have coke/soda/only sprite/etc. So, kids whose parents set boundaries generally stick to them, even at a time where you might expect they wouldn't.
post #90 of 96
We're Muslim--which means we don't eat pork. When we lived in NYC, it was easier--the schools simply didn't have pork on the menu. Where we are now, I think the school district has a deal with Smithfield or something.

They know to ask if something has pork in it. Will I kill them (or care) if they eat it accidentally or even on purpose? No...but 99.9% of the times, they don't.

I view chocolate milk in a similar way. If I didn't want my kids to drink it every day, I'd tell them that. I'm not going to police their food choices (although through the meal card, I can see what they buy), though.

Because I do care about what they eat, I pack their lunch at least 90% of the time. School lunches, at least where I live, are scary and unappetizing. If I was a kid whose Mom made her buy school lunch, the chocolate milk would probably be the only edible thing there!
post #91 of 96
DD got chocolate milk every day at school for a few months. Now she's tired of it and gets white milk. It's not a big deal.

Jenn
post #92 of 96
Our school has 1%, fat free, and fat free chocolate milk. Chocolate milk is the least of my concerns about the lunches served at our school.
post #93 of 96
Chocolate milk done right has just a little more sugar added because the milk is almost sweet enough to sweeten the cocoa.

I don't have a problem with chocolate milk if it's got natural ingredients and a small amount of sugar.

I have tasted chocolate milk that was much too sweet to refresh.
post #94 of 96
My problems with the school lunches are so enormous and extensive. Chocolate milk is only one tiny subset of that. The overall amount of sugar offered on any given day is a big problem for me. So is the quantity of refined white flour. Yes, they do offer veggies-- but I wouldn't eat them, and neither will my kids. They're almost always mushy canned stuff with way too much salt on it. I've never seen a kid touch them, in all the times I've been to lunch at DD's school. DD's been raised on vegetables grown right outside her back door-- she's never HAD stuff like salted canned green beans, and doesn't even recognize them as food.

Most days even the fruit is canned-- in syrup, which means all that extra sugar. And yet everybody's singing the praises of the "new school lunch" here, because it's "low-fat." I don't even consider "low-fat" to be an appropriate diet for a child, anyway. And the processed meat with added nitrites offered literally three times a week infuriates me.

The trouble is that there's such enormous forces behind what the schools can offer, because of regulations and lobbying and out-of-date nutritional science and the not-inconsiderable pressure of parents who have raised kids who won't eat real food, and want a lunch their kids WILL eat.

What I'd like to see-- organic dairy, fresh meats, poultry, and fish carefully prepared, fresh vegetables prepared in tasty ways, whole grain baked goods, and fresh fruit-- isn't going to happen here. It'll never happen. I realize that, and I'm mostly resigned to it. So I compromise-- I talked to DD about her overall consumption of sugar, and she understands, and chooses chocolate milk once in a while, not every day. I send lunch, on the days when the lunch offered is really objectionable to me. And then the rest of the time, I pretend not to know about it, and just make sure that what she's eating at home is extra-good, to make up for it.

It really does bother me to think about those kids for whom school lunch may be the best meal they eat all day. In the schools I worked in, that was often the case, for a lot of kids. And that I find rather upsetting. If the only vegetable a child is going to get, all day, is going to come from the school lunch, surely we, as a society, could maybe arrange for it to be appetizing and fresh? If the only milk a child is going to get is going to come from the school lunch, couldn't we arrange for it to be fresh and organic, and not adulterated with non-food ingredients? I just think it's sad.

I think if parents want to feed their kids non-food junk and refined carbohydrates and processed meat full of added nitrites, they should most certainly be free to do so, but I think the federal school lunch program, which is supposed to help ensure that our poorest children are getting essential nutrients, should be held to a higher standard. I think the schools ought to stand for something better.

But it'll never happen.

I do think abolishing chocolate milk is a nice first step. I think the school lunch ought to only offer fresh, natural, unadulterated foods. If kids want to eat or drink something else, that should be their parents' job to provide it.
post #95 of 96
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Originally Posted by Emmeline II View Post
School lunch has improved a bit since I was a child, but not enough that I would allow it everyday. My ds REALLY likes buying lunch...
Unfortunately, our school lunch menu sounds a lot like yours. Occasionally, we hit a day when I think the menu looks just fine, but more often than not, the kids are getting doughnuts for snacks, or low-fat Cheez-its, or chicken nuggets, etc. We started by always sending a lunch, but my son really wanted to be able to buy a lunch. Now I let him buy it a few times a month when the menu looks OK. I try to especially stay away from ground beef days, as I've read too much about contamination issues with the ground beef sold to schools (and lack of recalls when there really should have been recalls) to feel comfortable with it.

As for the milk question, it is available at our school, and it really doesn't bother me at this point. DS knows he is only supposed to buy white milk, and that is what he buys. Occasionally, he'll ask if he can get a chocolate milk, and I let him as a treat. Maybe if he were sneaking or insisting on chocolate milk all the time, I'd be more worried about it.
post #96 of 96
The chocolate milk doesn't bother me and I think it's kind of obnoxious to try to get it banned. My kids don't drink it, but they have friends who do. If you don't want your kid to drink it, deal with your kid or send a lunch. We can see what kind of food they buy online.
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