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post #61 of 104
When dd1 was in grade 2, there was a talent show. She was bound and determined that she was going to sing a solo at it (there were auditions, iirc). She was going to sing Patricia the Stripper, by Chris de Burgh.

...For Patricia is the best stripper in town,
And with a swing of her hips she started to strip,
To tremendous applause she took off her drawers,

etc. Great, fun song, not appropriate for a 2nd grader in a Catholic school to sing at school.
post #62 of 104
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Originally Posted by BarnMomma View Post
What about artists like Tori Amos (one of my personal favs) whose lyrics I think are so obscure that I even have a hard time figuring out what the hell she's going on about? I know that she has some very strong opinions on things way beyond what I want DS exposed to at this age but they are cleverly disguised, most of the time. But music itself, the piano, the rhythm I think is amazing.
If the lyrics are that obscure, they'll just go over his head anyway.
post #63 of 104
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Originally Posted by newbymom05 View Post
I don't understand the attitude of "they listen to what I/we/the adults listen to" or "only GOOD music" which seems to always mean adult music. Do these children also watch the same tv and movies their parents watch, since the dialog and subject matter is over their heads or because the parents just don't like children's shows?
You know... Some kids music is good music. Some kids music is more violent then most adult music. Have you listened to "The Cat Came Back" recently?

"The man around the corner swore he'd kill the cat on sight,
He loaded up his shotgun with nails and dynamite;
He waited and he waited for the cat to come around,
Ninety seven pieces of the man is all they found."

I doubt I'd let my kids watch a movie with a guy who blows himself up trying to kill a cat.
post #64 of 104
I think some people don't give their kids enough credit for actually understanding the lyrics of songs. Of course, I don't know most of the artists mentioned, so I don't know if the lyrics are sung or actually screamed as they seem to be mostly these days. I listened to the Beatles on 8-track and remember the fallout of the their breakup (too young to remember the actual breakup), so as usual, I feel one generation beyond the discussion.

The reason I say that kids often understand more than we give them credit for, is because of something my dd said this summer. She's 7. I was listening to an old Rush album. There's a song called "The Trees". The song is about equality and dd totally picked up on that. She asked some very deep questions about why the oak trees were bullies, etc. While this song isn't terribly obscure to adults, it would be to children. Dd and I have had many deep discussions stemming from music.

I honestly do believe that music (and lyrics) is one of many things that influence the way we are raising our children. I'm careful about that. That's not censorship. That's good parenting.
post #65 of 104
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
I doubt I'd let my kids watch a movie with a guy who blows himself up trying to kill a cat.
That's a good point. In the same manner that I'm careful about what I let dd watch or do on the computer/internet, I'm careful about music. I can't wrap my head around the comments that this is "censorship". And from your example, it shows that parents need to be careful about all genres of music... even kid's tunes.
post #66 of 104
Our kids, 5 and 15 months, love Tool and A Perfect Circle. We definitely censor the music though, because a lot of the songs would be too much. But both kids rock out to Lateralus. And DS calls Disposition "Watch the weather change", he loves to listen to it right before bedtime. I love having DS ask questions about songs like APC's "Fiddle and the Drum" - makes for good conversations.

He heard Lady Gaga's Poker Face once and thought they were saying "Poke her face", he giggled about it all day.

Basically if it's got a lot of swear words or violence we don't play it around them. Overt sexual lyrics or videos as well. I'd rather cycle through the 3-4 Tool songs on any cd that aren't too crazy than play pretty much anything that comes on the radio.

Breaking Benjamins has been a pretty good compromise.
post #67 of 104
DH & I listen to such a huge variety of music that we pretty much decide on a song-by-song basis. Our son (4.5) LOVES music of all kinds, but his preference runs toward classic rock with lots of guitar and good drum beats. We made him his own playlist on our iTunes, and when he hears a song he likes he asks us to put it on his playlist. Sometimes he likes to click around our full collection and find new stuff, but we're always listening with him and he is fine with it if we ask him to skip a song because it might be scary or have bad words in it. 90% of the time he listens to his own playlist, which are all "approved" songs: ABBA, Beastie Boys, The Beatles, Billy Idol, Bob Marley, Cake, CCR, Grateful Dead, Joan Jett, Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, Prince, Queen, The Ramones, U2, Violent Femmes (to name just a few!) I can probably think of at least one song (in some cases many!) by each of these artists that I would prefer he not listen to until he's older.

I know he listens to the lyrics because he will sometimes ask me what a song is about - but there are other times when he is singing to himself a song that I *thought* he knew the lyrics to, and I realize that he has just memorized the sounds and not the actual words. Kind of like the way opera singers learn to sing in Italian. We (DS & I) have also had some very cool conversations about the emotions we feel when we hear certain songs. One in particular I remember was about the song With or Without You by U2, which is one of his very favorite songs. He said that he could tell that Bono was sad when he sang that song, and he had this whole theory about why that was, but I remember being amazed and very moved that a 4-year-old could empathize so well with the emotions he heard in music.

We don't have a whole lot of kid-specific music because DS just isn't that into it, but we do really like They Might Be Giants, as well as the "Snack Time" CD by The Barenaked Ladies.
post #68 of 104
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Originally Posted by velochic View Post
That's a good point. In the same manner that I'm careful about what I let dd watch or do on the computer/internet, I'm careful about music. I can't wrap my head around the comments that this is "censorship". And from your example, it shows that parents need to be careful about all genres of music... even kid's tunes.

I think perhaps you are unnecessarily assigning "badness" to censorship. In this context I see it as a neutral. If you suppress your children's access to <insert thing here> then you are, in fact, censoring that for your child. So what? As parents we suppress our children's access to a lot of things (well, msot of us, myself included)

That's why so many *adults* find censorship for themselves objectionable--because it's some stranger exercising parental-like authority and guidance over them. But as a parent, dare I say you are SUPPOSED to have boundaries and guidance for your children?
post #69 of 104
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Originally Posted by BarnMomma View Post
What about artists like Tori Amos (one of my personal favs) whose lyrics I think are so obscure that I even have a hard time figuring out what the hell she's going on about? I know that she has some very strong opinions on things way beyond what I want DS exposed to at this age but they are cleverly disguised, most of the time. But music itself, the piano, the rhythm I think is amazing.
Her more recent albums, I am ok with. She has become much more complex over the years & the obscurity has softened the raw qualities of the first album--the one with the white cover and her in the small box? I don't want my girls to listen to that. They're just not ready for it. "Me and a Gun?" No way. "Silent All These Years?" No. Maybe "Happy Phantom," but really, when the best candidate from the entire album begins with "And if I die today I'll be the happy phantom," imo, it's best to just skip it.

My 8yo wanted the American Idiot (Green Day) album on her mp3 player. I gave it to her. I deleted it when I heard her singing very clearly "alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane to keep me insane/ doin someone else's cocaine..."

The Jonas Brothers make me want to stab my eye out...but I'd much rather hear my kid singing about her great grand daughter who lives under water, y/k?
post #70 of 104
We listen to pretty much everything around here (except country), and the only songs i can think of that i have turned off include some older rap (tupac, dr.dre, snoop) and a few NIN songs. I have listened to Rage around them, but not the Killing in the name of song. Basically i don't have a problem with a song saying a bad word or two, but i do have a problem with it being a chorus lyric which they repeat over and over and over again.

I grew up with a mom who listened to very hard metal, and rock and the only songs she censored were NIN closer, and Beck's loser. The first song my little brother sang was a Nirvana song, "Lake of Fire" he would belt it out at the grocery store and embarrass my mom .

My son's favorite artists include Seether and Korn. My daughter is into the more poppy stuff i listen to when i work out. I think there are questionable words/themes in most music and i can't stand kids music so i'm willing to deal with the fallout.
post #71 of 104
We listen to many types of music, including rap and punk. Probably the only thing none of us like is hard rock/metal. I skip things if they are sexually graphic, homophobic, or use the N word prominently. I don't mind cursing. My kids really love a lot of "classics"-- Bob Dylan, the Beatles, Johnny Cash, Michael Jackson. They like good or funny lyrics.
post #72 of 104
Interesting discussion!

We don't seem to have anything too hard in this house. The only thing we have I can think that I would probably censor (if I thought about it) is Sublime and Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy.

I will probably be more aware of it after this thread.

Then again, ds (5) is known to be front and center (with earplugs) when dh's band plays. And they often open with Folsom Prison and their originals may or may not include some references to the reefers.

Due to my older siblings, I was listening to Billy Joel's Glass Houses album and Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody at a pretty young age. I remember finding the latter so chilling. It's pretty funny to remember myself dancing to Only the Good Die Young, though.
post #73 of 104
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Originally Posted by Irishmommy View Post
When dd1 was in grade 2, there was a talent show. She was bound and determined that she was going to sing a solo at it (there were auditions, iirc). She was going to sing Patricia the Stripper, by Chris de Burgh.

...For Patricia is the best stripper in town,
And with a swing of her hips she started to strip,
To tremendous applause she took off her drawers,

etc. Great, fun song, not appropriate for a 2nd grader in a Catholic school to sing at school.
Hahaha!
In 2nd grade, my best friend and I entered the talent show dancing to Barry Manilow's Copa Cabana.

We did some interesting moves to "with feathers in her hair and a dress cut down to there". Oh goodness.
post #74 of 104
We don't really censor music from our kids. The Beatles are one of their favorite things to listen to. I probably wouldn't let them listen to, say, hardcore gangster rap or anything, but I don't listen to that either.
post #75 of 104
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Originally Posted by nextcommercial View Post
Beatles would have been OK with me.

But, I was very picky about the music my daughter listened to. When her friends were listening to "Spice Girls", I wouldn't let my daughter listen to it. She still had Vegi Tales CDs instead. (kindergarten/1st grade)

Last year, she had a dance recital. (she's 17 now) and one of the songs the fifth graders were dancing to was "Something in your mouth" By Nickleback. I personally like tha song... on my own IPOD... but, it was the absolutely most innapropriate song for a children's dance recital... no matter what age was dancing to it.
We don't have children yet but we have so many different types of music, I don't see us censoring much of it, but talking about it as well as listening.

However, I just clicked your link and listened to the Nickleback song, and I can't believe that the school had them dancing to that! I agree, a most inappropriate song for a children's dance recital.
post #76 of 104
My kids listen to the music I listen to which can be anything from classical to top 40 stuff. No heavy rap or super offensive lyrics, not to shield them but because I just don't listen to it personally.

I would not say any lyrics are too complex. Kids have an amazing way of picking up new things, both good and bad. My almost 6 year old speaks three languages and my 3.5 year old is almost there as well.
post #77 of 104
As a child, I always LOVED the song "mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school, we have tortured all the teachers...."
I loved it because it was "bad" and I wasn't supposed to sing it. That's half the thrill, kwim?
So now I sing it for my kids, who are 5 and 3.

Most stuff I am OK with. I often listen to Pink Floyd when the kids are around. In the shower I sing hendrix: hey joe, where you going with that gun in your hand? Goin down, to shoot my old lady down to the ground, you know I caught her messin round town with another man. suppose that is as off as I get. Hmm, not sure if I would like them hearing Queen: moma, I don't want to die, sometimes wish I'd never been born at all....
post #78 of 104
Haha, love the comments about drawing the line at Sublime. . .we totally play it in the car. We don't censor music (at least not yet, maybe when my kids are older if they start listening to ultra violent rap that talks about killing people or harming women--then we'll re-evaluate), what we listen to, our children listen to. DD and DS love to sing along in the car and often sings the "curse" words right along with the music. I'm also one of those parents who doesn't censor my language just because my children are in the room. They do know that there are words they don't say around others and have known this for a long time.
post #79 of 104
I never like the word "censorship" being used in threads like this, because censorship is more about the government deciding what people should be able to listen to. This is parental discretion, not censorship.
post #80 of 104
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Originally Posted by AllisonR View Post
Hmm, not sure if I would like them hearing Queen: moma, I don't want to die, sometimes wish I'd never been born at all....
My son loves Bohemian Rhapsody - one day he was listening to it and looking thoughtful about that part. He said, "Mommy, *I* don't wish that...I'm GLAD I was born!"
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