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At my wit's end with 3.5 y o DS... Talk me down!

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DISCLAIMER: Ok, please don't flame me. I am looking for constructive advice. Please also try to have some empathy-- we're exhausted and burned out and quite probably not making good judgment calls.

So DS is more than 3.5 years old, and has been sleeping in his own bed in his own room since last August (so, about 6 months). We always lie down with him to help him fall asleep, and when he calls to us in the night (which he does, usually at least twice) one of us goes in to lie down with him until he falls asleep. He's never fallen asleep alone, and never (that I know of) fallen BACK asleep alone. Which is ok with me, he's still little.

But recently, things have gotten completely out of control. It's no longer enough for us to lie down next to him until he falls asleep, he requires that one of us be with him basically all night. I should add that I'm due to deliver in 2-3 weeks, and I'm sure that part of what's going on is apprehension about the new baby... But anyway. We can't sleep with him. We don't get any rest. He sleeps in a twin, and it's super uncomfortable for me in particular, with my baby belly, but also for DH to spend the night.

Last night was the worst night I think we've ever had with DS, including possibly newborn phase. He was tired and was asleep by 8pm. He woke up at 9:15, DH went to help him fall back asleep, which was quickly. He woke up again at 10. DH tried to help him fall back asleep, but after 30 minutes, DH got extremely frustrated, yelled at DS, and left the room. I went in to try to soothe him back to sleep and spent an hour. He finally calmed down, but every time he would drift off and I would try to get out of bed he would wake up and cling to me. Finally, at 11:30 I couldn't take it any more. I told him I was going to bed. In my bed.

For another hour he sobbed, and coughed. We would go in to check on him, he would tell us he needed water, or to go pee, or more light, or to blow his nose, etc etc etc. He would not fall asleep with us next to him, nor would he fall asleep alone. It was awful. Finally, at I don't even know what time, I brought him into our bed. It took a while, but he eventually fell asleep.

The problem was OUR bed is too small for 2 adults and a large almost-4 year old. And the pg cushion I now need to sleep with, lol. At some point, I got up and slept in DS' bed, which is uncomfortable for me (the mattress is too soft for my taste) but it was that or end up on the floor.

We've had it. We're exhausted. We go back and forth between rooms ALL.NIGHT.LONG. I'm expecting a baby soon and the thought of dealing with TWO children who won't sleep makes me want to cry. DH wants us to just let him cry himself to sleep. I really, really don't want to resort to that, but I get his frustration. I also think DS is more likely to end up puking than sleeping if he cries that much.

DS tells us alternately that he's afraid of monsters and that he just doesn't like to sleep alone. But he was doing just fine in his room until now. I really don't know what to do. We've tried talking, explaining, staying, leaving, and, last night, threatening and cajoling.

Please help. And please don't tell me I'm a horrible mother for letting DS cry last night. I don't think it's CIO at almost-4, when you've spent HOURS trying to help your kid get to sleep.

And if you made it to here, thanks for reading.
TIA.
post #2 of 7
Have you checked to make sure he's not sick?
Are his emotional fears a result of increased tension with the change of a new baby?
Have you attempted reward (star) charts or something to encourage him to stay in his own bed?
Have you considered getting a larger bed so that you, your DH and both your children can be comfortable in the bed together?
What does your little guy say about this in the daytime?

sounds like you both had a really rough night, I hope tonight improves for you and you find the root of this regression.
post #3 of 7
Hugs, mama! I have no good advice, we FINALLY have Alayna in a good pattern, but it was by no means because of us, I think she is just finally to that point, lol.
post #4 of 7
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. Sydnee, I'm sure it's a phase that we'll get through, but it feels so out of the blue, you know? But I'm glad to hear Alayna has found a good sleep groove!

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Originally Posted by Maluhia View Post
Have you checked to make sure he's not sick?
Are his emotional fears a result of increased tension with the change of a new baby?
Have you attempted reward (star) charts or something to encourage him to stay in his own bed?
Have you considered getting a larger bed so that you, your DH and both your children can be comfortable in the bed together?
What does your little guy say about this in the daytime?

sounds like you both had a really rough night, I hope tonight improves for you and you find the root of this regression.
Maluhia, to answer your questions:
He's not sick. He *was* sick, about 3 weeks ago, but was better by Christmas. One thing I do think is contributing to the problem is he snores a lot at night (since his sinus infection) and sometimes has sleep apnea. I plan to talk to his ped about this.

His emotional fears: I'm guessing this is a big part of the problem. But since he's not talking about that, (and he's a very verbal, sensitive guy) I don't really know how or if I should address it. I'm trying, during the day, to give him lots of cuddles and one-on-one time, and space to discuss the new baby and anything else he wants to talk about.

We haven't tried a star chart. That's a good idea.

We can't get a larger bed. For one thing, the bed we have is the largest standard size sold in France (about the equivalent of a queen-sized mattress). Plus, our room can't hold anything bigger, nor can it hold a twin+queen combo. Small bedrooms, here.

During the day, DS says he has bad dreams about monsters. That's as far as he'll go.

Thanks for the ideas and suggestions. I hope this resolves itself soon. I'm so, so tired....
post #5 of 7
that coming off of being sick is no fun and takes entirely too long sometimes

Hope one of the ideas helps for you all!
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Originally Posted by Marylizah View Post
DS tells us alternately that he's afraid of monsters and that he just doesn't like to sleep alone. But he was doing just fine in his room until now. I really don't know what to do. We've tried talking, explaining, staying, leaving, and, last night, threatening and cajoling.

Please help. And please don't tell me I'm a horrible mother for letting DS cry last night. I don't think it's CIO at almost-4, when you've spent HOURS trying to help your kid get to sleep.
Here's what worked for me. My DS was exactly the same -- we laid down next to him and he fell asleep athat way, but would always wake up if we moved. And he would keep coming into our room all night.

Here's what we did:

1) Stopped lying down with him.
2) Put a chair next to his bed
3) Put him in bed after bedtime routine. (he's had his bath, he's had his drink, he's gone to the bathroom, he's had stories, etc.)
4) Tell him what's going to happen: Mommy and daddy can't lie down with you any more -- Mommy's belly is too big and daddy doesn't sleep well in your bed. Everything will be alright -- I'll stay with you until you fall asleep.
5) Put him in his bed, and say "it's bedtime. Goodnight".
6) Sit in the chair
7) When he gets up out of the bed and runs away, or starts clinging to you, or whatever, put him back in the bed. Say "it's bedtime -- everything will be alright. I'll stay with you until you fall asleep".
repeat numbers 6 and 7 until he is asleep.
If he asks you a question, keep repeating your special phrase (whatever it is)... everything will be alright -- I'm here. I'll stay until you fall asleep.
8) Do it consistently for 2 weeks straight.

If he gets up in the middle of the night, repeat steps 5 thru 7 until he falls back asleep.

The above, in my mind, is NOT CIO. You are always there to support him and to re-assure him.
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Originally Posted by Kivgaen View Post
8) Do it consistently for 2 weeks straight.
Just wanted to add this to my previous post, but also to say: If you monitor in a journal the time it takes for DS to be "out" from the moment you say "it's bedtime", it may help to notice whether or not the times are getting shorter and shorter each day.

Also -- make sure that you start the bedtime routine early enough. You only get a 15 minute window of opportunity for when DS is ready to fall asleep. And if you miss that in your routine, and his head doesn't hit the pillow somewhere in those 15 minutes, his adrenaline will kick in and he'll be up for hours.
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