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post #1 of 20
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I'm about 40 weeks pregnant, been UPing since about 24 weeks and planning a UBAC. I was so at peace with my decision up until maybe last week? I don't know when it quite hit me because now I'm just miserable, depressed, stressed and really doubting myself. I have an almost 4 year old son who is a handful, but I don't think that's fully my issue. I keep thinking something is wrong, and after talking to two midwives and making plans to meet with one - I just want to be left alone again! Now I'm thinking it was a mistake to verbalize anything. Maybe I am just scared of the unknown. Why do I keep feeling like I'm going to end up with a c-section again?

Years ago, after I had my son, I had this dream I was being sectioned and I was looking up at someone and asked where my beautiful baby boy was and they said my baby was a girl (I'm pregnant with a girl this time).

Then several weeks ago I had a dream where a doctor came into my house and preformed a c-section and my mother and I kept yelling at him saying he was doing the incision wrong (it was 'U' shaped) and my baby was TERRIBLY TERRIBLY deformed in my dream.

Then there was another were I was looking in on someone weighing my baby (dr's and professional looking types) and my baby was 8lbs 10oz.

I have not been able to visualize my birth recently. I just keep thinking c-section. When do you know it's fear and not intuition. And when do you just end up living out your own fear?

But I still have this intensity of being left alone.

My c-section was done due to "unassuring heart tones". That's it, nothing else notated. (My son was born just shy of 42 weeks - induction)

Why isn't my baby engaging? I think my baby is in a bad position. Why do I feel poking at my incision line? I think I'm going crazy. I was never ready to be pregnant. Not emotionally or physically. I don't know what to do.
post #2 of 20
Let's take this apart, piece at a time. Many women dream strange things when pg. But I wouldnt' put a WHOLE lot of stock in the dreams.(but i don't mean to sound dismissive either- maybe it is the loss of control of the birth experience you might be afraid of?)
But these two things did stick out to me:

poking at the incision line; Is the baby posterior? If she is, you can help turn her so her backbone is either facing your side(hopefully you may feel it longitudinally one side or the other)or in front of you(anterior). If the baby is posterior, that means her back is laying alongside your spine and her hands are facing forward, and as she moves her hands they might be moving near the scar line.
The other thing that stuck out to me was the baby not dropping yet(becoming engaged in the pelvis). With subsequent pregnancies, most babies don't engage til labor starts. And if the baby is posterior, her forehead might be resting above the pubic bone, interfering with engagement. But I would most likely think its simply cuz the baby hasn't settled in yet. She will. You still have a couple weeks or so to go, right? If the baby is posterior, if you can spend 15 min a day 2-3 times a day on your hands and knees that often helps turn the baby to a better position...I think there is a website about BabyMapping, that might be able to help you with that also.hope this helps a little...
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
Yes, my baby keeps turning posterior.

It's good to re-hear things I know but over analyze.

I will keep doing the exercises, since I started them I feel better already.

Thanks. I think I just needed to vent.
post #4 of 20
Hugs mama. I think reaching the 40 weeks mark is incredibly hard on most pregnant women, let alone those planning a UBAC. I talked with a couple of midwives earlier on this pregnancy and the more I talked to them the more I felt like I could do it myself. It sounds like you experienced something similar. And the thing about dreams, they are so hard to dissect. I don't put a lot of stock in my dreams or my fears. I had a deformity fear as well, but it sounds like you already had an US seeing as you know the gender- so that should solve that fear for you. I hope you can work through your fears. May you have a beautiful birth.
post #5 of 20
While my fears are different they are very much real. I do have the deformity fear same as you. I'm overdue now and the longer I go the worse it gets. I think the fear of the unknown is the greatest for me....not knowing when labor will come, not knowing how it will go or what the final outcome will be. This is #5 for me and I've had 1 unplanned UC and all homebirths. I try to do as the pp mentioned and take each fear and break it down. I've thought of transferring to a MW for care but like you I end up wanting to be alone. I think in my case it's a false sense of security that an "expert" would give me. Ultimately I know without reserve that I have done my best and that this the best choice for me and my baby. Just take it one thought and one day at a time :-)
post #6 of 20
Oh HUGS mama!

I always feel loads of anxiety as I hit my due date! And you have all the fears and worries from your c-section to deal with too. Don't underestimate the impact of your previous c-s on your current experience. I know people who are VBACing in the hospital who only want to hire doulas who have successfully VBACed themselves because they want to have that constant reminder during their birth that it's possible!

Of course your dreams are bringing up your fears- working that stuff out in our dreamlife is very common. My first ended up in the NICU and with my second pregnancy I had lots of dreams about my baby being held in cabins by my family, in hospitals by doctors, and not being able to see her- awful stuff.

Know that what you are feeling is very common. But also rememer that it's fine at any point to ask for support if that is what you need to feel safe to birth. Blessings and best wishes on this unknown journey brave mama!!
post #7 of 20
i am new here so bear with me i don't know the lingo. I have three children two natural births and a induction where i was able to birth naturally.

Fear can really get to you, what we fear most can become our reality. Put emphasis on having a healthy natural birth. Those doctors at the hospital can really be pushy and short with there time. Talking to your midwife about any questions about birthing again is a blessing.
I found that doing a simple stretch on all fours, alternatly arching my back up, cat like, and then in towards the ground with stretching my neck up really helped to ease pain and also to position the baby into place. I spent a great deal of time like that. I labored that way almost the whole time during my first labor. Walking alot can help as well, also your midwife or assistant might be able to help with manually positioning the baby with some belly massaging.
post #8 of 20

Just a thought...

I really had a hard time visualizing the birth on my last pregnancy too (which ended up being a perfect unassisted birth). I did transfer for PPH, but figured I would because I have a clotting disorder. Anyway...when you visualize, if you can't make it through to the actual birth...try writing it down and then reading it to yourself. I always thought that writing helped me better visualize what I was feeling inside. It gave me something concrete to hold on to. Wishing you a wonderful Labor and Birth. Just listen to those instincts and you and your baby will work together the way it was meant to be.
post #9 of 20
I think it sounds normal to be feeling apprehension of the birth and fear that what happened last time will happen again. Even though you have one child you haven't experienced the full process of birth and so there is a lot of unknown for you. Dreams can help us sub-consciously work out our fears, they aren't necessarily predictive. Try to approach these dreams as part of your birth process as your inner self is preparing you to move past the block of the last birth to fully experience this one.

As a second-time mom who's never given birth vaginally your body has a unique blend of first and second time mom characteristics. Go easy on yourself. Babies are not always engaged before labor starts. In fact, even for first-time moms, the idea that the baby should be engaged before term is erroneous. Studies have shown that a large portion of first-time moms (even a majority in some cases) have not engaged prior to labor. As a second-time mom your baby is even less likely to engage prior to labor.

Pelvic rocks are a great exercise! It's also important to pay attention to how you are sitting. Positions that place your knees above the level of your sit bones reduce the front-to-back space in your pelvis and make it harder for baby to engage or rotate to a better position. Try to always sit so that you knees are lower than your sit bones. Another thing to watch for is where your belly button is pointing. If it is pointing up you are not in an ideal position. While it's a good idea to encourage baby to rotate away from a posterior position, try not to fixate on it. Baby's usually do turn even if they put you through some back labor first. Trust your baby to find the way through. Babies are a lot more active in the birth process than they get credit for.

Are the midwives you called open to being on-call for a UC if you have a need for information or an expert opinion during the birth?

Laura
post #10 of 20
This seems to be a good resource concerning posture and posterior labor.

Postures and Positions of Late Pregnancy
post #11 of 20
Mama I feel similarly but I have a long way to go. I wonder, have you spent maybe too much time in the negative?

With my first pregnancy, I was very positive. I was surrounded by people who loved the idea that I was UC, and then everyone else knew I was HB and oddly enough liked it. I studied briefly things like cord prolapse, placental abruption, hemorrhage, NPR etc just to get a game plan down and that was it. I felt very confident and peaceful. I had a long long long labor and the only time I was worried was when I got severe ligament pain. (Which an MDC mama took care of by recommending hot rice socks).


Well the last year I have spent a lot of time as an activist. I have been helping people IRL and online. I read news stories all day, pore through case studies, research, browse images etc. I have lots of women sharing their cesarean or other intervention stories. All I have seen for a year now is violence, cruelty, pain, suffering.


Anyways....since I have found out I was pregnant I have been gripped with fear of a c-section. It's very powerful. Perhaps the hardest part is when your mind plays tricks on you....are you scared...and if so...is it b/c you are foretelling the future? Is it a prophecy or a suggestion? Is it an instinct, a warning, or just a folly that you need to overcome.

Maybe try to read and watch positive birth stories. Read or reread positive books written by some of the love-based people such as Ina May and Gloria Lemay. Stay away from the scary stuff.
post #12 of 20
i think when you have a traumatic birth under your belt it's important to focus on the positive and stay away from bad thoughts.

for me my mantra was: " i hadthe 'right' incision, i had the 'right' suture, i have two years between pregnancy. I am just as able to birth this baby vaginally as any first time mama."

find a mantra that works for you and keep saying it. when the negative thoughts roll in say it until you are centered and calm again.

what you are feeling i think is normal it can be very scary essp since your last was a c/s. perhaps some art self therapy could help? either draw/paint what you fear OR what you wish for whichever seems more helpful to you.

you can do this. calm yourself. stay positive. you, your body, and your baby know what to do.
post #13 of 20
I always see people in this forum urging others to trust their feelings and believe their bodies know best. OP, you're having the feeling that something might be wrong. I think you should honor those feelings and meet with the midwife, like you planned. How could that hurt? Best of luck.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post

With my first pregnancy, I was very positive. I was surrounded by people who loved the idea that I was UC, and then everyone else knew I was HB and oddly enough liked it. I studied briefly things like cord prolapse, placental abruption, hemorrhage, NPR etc just to get a game plan down and that was it. I felt very confident and peaceful. I had a long long long labor and the only time I was worried was when I got severe ligament pain. (Which an MDC mama took care of by recommending hot rice socks).


Well the last year I have spent a lot of time as an activist. I have been helping people IRL and online. I read news stories all day, pore through case studies, research, browse images etc. I have lots of women sharing their cesarean or other intervention stories. All I have seen for a year now is violence, cruelty, pain, suffering.


Your story sounds a lot like mine. My first pregnancy and birth was so perfect and peaceful. But in the years since I've heard lots of negative stories regarding birth, pregnancy, etc. And I've felt such an overall lack of support for homebirth and UC. It's really brought me down in a lot of ways. It sits there in the back of my mind.

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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
Anyways....since I have found out I was pregnant I have been gripped with fear of a c-section. It's very powerful. Perhaps the hardest part is when your mind plays tricks on you....are you scared...and if so...is it b/c you are foretelling the future? Is it a prophecy or a suggestion? Is it an instinct, a warning, or just a folly that you need to overcome.
I too have felt those things with this pregnancy. Lots of negativity.
I look back over the past 8 months and see that the majority of my pregnancy has taken place during a lot of sad, stressful moments. It's been a very unusual year. Between that and the negative opinions and the overall lack of support, encouragement it isn't hard to imagine why I have felt zapped of strength and courage.

But over the past few months things have been improving greatly. And I have had success in overcoming the fears that so often hung over my head throughout the pregnancy. I have peace and confidence. I am looking forward to the birth now.
post #15 of 20
I have still not told my birth stories in full and I'm not sure I ever will except face-to-face, but I wanted to offer you some support with some of what I experienced.

I had 2 c/s before my first freebirth. I'll call that FB1.

I had never before experienced labour and my c/s's were both coerced and the second one had me in the ICU, nearly dead for two hours, one hr after which I was finally allowed to see my son. I couldn't have before that because I was completely paralysed and even when I was conscious, couldn't budge my eyelids.

Anyway, suffice it say that both c/s were traumatic and I came to what I then called UC and now call freebirth (no disrespect to the term UC; I just prefer freebirth for many reasons, for me personally. I find it very empowering to talk about it and to think of it with this title, amongst other reasons) through the reality that no midwife would take me on and only one OB would 'let' me go past 40 weeks to the day or have a baby larger than 8 lbs by US estimation by trial of labour (a term I detest, but I digress). All other required repeat c/s. Doing it by myself became my reality.

I began my research and became so well-read on birth and anthropological perspectives ob birth wordlwide that I was invited to speak at the College of Midwives' annual conference (I had had many discussions with my former midwife-become-friend during that time and she had many with other midwives as a result of what I was learning; hence the invitation was made to me). I couldn't go though because I was expecting our third child in the timeframe of the conference. That would have been totally awesome though!

Both of my c/s were for breach positions known by u/s and my midwife was required to consult with an OB when this showed up at 36 weeks. That is obviously plenty of time for turning yet. My ds1 was dated by u/s at a 20 week u/s, and it turned out that he was very premature when taken, and that came with a year of struggles for both of us. Both babies were taken from me before the supposed 40 weeks, even by u/s dating and not for any reason other than both OBs were going on vacation and told me that I could choose to have whomever is on-call when I hit 40 weeks and that OB may be on his/her second consecutive shift and bleary-eyed, OR I could do it 'a bit early'. I was told that labour may kill my babies. I was lied to a LOT.

So with dc3 on the way, I wisened up.

When 40 weeks came (and I knew the dates this time around), I began to have prodromal labour every night that petered out around 4am. Yes, every night I went into what seemed like labour. I felt the ripping and tearing of my adhesions and that was very painful. It was also liberating though because during this time, I was finally able to take in a full breath and stand up completely straight. My adhesions had prevented both of those things since my second c/s. There was pain every night, but relief every day, and this went on for FOUR WEEKS!!!

Then on the day ds3 came, it was a regular prodromal night with real-feeling contractions like always, and me with my pillows and tea and a book for between contractions (they had been very irregular and sometimes allowed ten minutes between) the long night ahead, settled into the livingroom by myself while dh and dc slept.

Instead of petering out at 4 am though, my contractions at that time nearly exactly (4:03am, dh woke, looked at clock and heard me feeling the first non-adhesion contraction which felt different not in intensity, but without the tearing, it was just different and it surprised me), became regular and felt really intense. There was no more adhesion tearing pain, which had stopped only a few minutes before the first contraction without that so I could feel the intensity without the tearing and that was awesome! I believe that my body had to be free of those adhesions to do its work, so once it finished up the last tearing, it could do the work of helping the baby out.

I had no idea what to expect whatsoever. I had no visualisations of this birth to come. I had had many terrifying dreams and looped thoughts from my previous traumatic births during the month of prodromal labour, but I worked through those on purpose, demystified the whole thing for myself and embraced the idea that I would take as long as I needed to and focus in whatever way I needed for the birth. I had nowhere to go anyway since I also knew that if I went for another c/s, I wouldn't make it out of the ICU.

My water broke twice during that month, sealing up the first time and then leeking for a week before ds3 was born. I of course did no internal checks and had no concern about infection. Baby was active throughout all stages of pg and labour. He's never stopped being active actually.

Even still, I refused to have a fearful birth, and embraced every contraction, every twinge and feeling that it brought. I was amazed at my body's strength and ability to do all this work, especially after so many weeks of trying it all out! But perhaps that was my birthing workout routine.

Anyway, I had a beautiful birth with both freebirths and FB1 was painless after the first hour of non-adhesion contractions (FB2 was 3 minutes long and ds4 was 10lb 8 oz and hadn't dropped at all until he came barrelling out of my body!). FB1 was a nine hr labour and the last eight hours were really awesome, no pain, and yielded a 10lb 3oz blond, curly haired boy with curly fingernails and a dark green placenta. He screamed before his body was born and was completely pink and aware immediately upon emerging and sliding onto the floor.

I think that deciding to allow my body to take as long as it needed, to allow my mind to work through all of the trauma and pain I endured, and also to be open to a new and wonderful experience whatever it would end up being, were all key to me overcoming my birth traumas and to being able to be truly present without fear during my first freebirth.

Once I accomplished that, I was ready in both mind and body, and ds3 was born at 44 wks and 2 days. Then ds4 was also a freebirth and I am anticipating my 3rd freebirth this summer with joy and happiness knowing that freebirthing is so great and absolutely the default for me and my family, a true secret I wish I had known before but am so glad to have discovered incidentally anyway.

You can do this, mama. Feel free to pm me if you wish, for anything at all.

ETA: I forgot to write that if you are feeling strongly that you do want some assurances, then by all means, go and find them! Consulting is not giving away your right to choose your birth intentions and doesn't interfere with your plans at all. If you do consult with someone, make sure that they will be open to being consulted and know that they are not being asked to take responsibility for you or your baby. I have found that being up-front with hcps about this means that the ones who do not want to relinquish what they erroneously believe to be control are easily weeded out and I can find the perhaps very few people who have an understanding that might benefit me and my family and even perhaps make a new friendship too!
post #16 of 20
Wow, Preggie. Your story is awesome.
post #17 of 20
Thanks!

I'm beginning to arrange a long-term course of study that I expect to take a few years- 3 or 4 for the beginning. I'm intending to study cultural anthropology with a focus on childbirth and family life; societal responses and potential for raising the standard of family living the world over; and the empowerment of women in reproductive issues, work, and life cycle that encompasses the rhythms of a woman's life as opposed to a man's (not as a discredit at all, but just to share awareness that the normal and healthy cycles and rhythms of a woman's life are very different than that of a man's and because of that, women need a different sort fo timetable and support to accomplish their dreams and meet their potentials than is commonly provided by society- it tends toward doing this for the cycles of a man's life primarily and in many cases exclusively).

'Just sharing that I intend to put this all to good use.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by NettleTea View Post
Your story sounds a lot like mine. My first pregnancy and birth was so perfect and peaceful. But in the years since I've heard lots of negative stories regarding birth, pregnancy, etc. And I've felt such an overall lack of support for homebirth and UC. It's really brought me down in a lot of ways. It sits there in the back of my mind.



I too have felt those things with this pregnancy. Lots of negativity.
I look back over the past 8 months and see that the majority of my pregnancy has taken place during a lot of sad, stressful moments. It's been a very unusual year. Between that and the negative opinions and the overall lack of support, encouragement it isn't hard to imagine why I have felt zapped of strength and courage.

But over the past few months things have been improving greatly. And I have had success in overcoming the fears that so often hung over my head throughout the pregnancy. I have peace and confidence. I am looking forward to the birth now.
I'm taking steps to change my environment. I'm taking a hiatus from facebook and trying not to scan any news reports lol. I've already started watching peaceful HB videos on youtube, too.

I'm glad you found your peace. Good luck and happy baby vibes!
post #19 of 20
How are you now? have you had baby yet? You've been MIA and I'm just hoping you're okay.
post #20 of 20
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I'm glad you found your peace. Good luck and happy baby vibes!
Thank you! Baby came last week and it went wonderfully....better than the last birth even.
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