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Small children, expensive TF, and food waste.

post #1 of 12
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I have taken over our family budget and financial planning, and have many years of mismanagement to sort out. Our food bill is very high, so I have cut us down to a farmer's diet plus occasional dried apricots. This is probably the most accurate TF diet for us anyway, and it doesn't skimp on flavour, but it does add time in the kitchen for me.

Our dc are not picky eaters in general. Last night they ate many helpings of pork roast, lemon rosemary roast potatoes in butter and a leafy green salad with acv and evoo dressing with spices.

But then other times, they are so wasteful that I can't figure out how much food to prepare and they typically destroy whatever they don't eat so that it cannot be salvaged. For instance, we buy raw cheese (although I may end up making it myself now, but this still applies). It is $10/lb and making on my own wouldn't be cheaper. We will put two slices on their plates at their request and then find that they've taken a bite, licked it all and then crumbled and smeared the rest on the table or their plates. We've even gone so far to reduce waste that for a short while, we'd feed them a tbsp of food at a time. That's tedious though, even though they thought it was fun.

If our food need didn't increase, as in stayed the same with this going on, I guess it would be annoying, but it's a stage, and will pass. But they end up needing to eat more food later on to make up for the waste earlier in the day. So, we need more food and ftr, the pigs who eat our scraps are going to be enormous and very healthy by mating time in spring...

They enjoy the food and they always have choices, so it's not that it's unpalatable to them. They are all huge children and need a lot of calories to feel happy and energetic. They cannot seem to pay attention long enough to their meals to eat them before they start to destroy their food though.

I know this would be a gd issue usually, but I'm asking here because when I see this going on, all I can think is that this is why our friends feed their dc kr@ft mac and cheez. And this is not a live option in our life; eating cheaper isn't either; we're at bare minimum as it is.

How do you afford the waste as well as what goes in their bellies? TF is certainly not food on the cheap, at least where we live. It is our biggest monthly expense, taking between 1/3 and 1/2 of our (variable and modest) income.

Is this a ride-it-out sort of thing? I know my 6 yr old is far less likely to waste his food, but he's always been that way; I have no idea how soon this will improve. Also, if dc are very, very hungry, they do eat everything and waste nothing, but waiting until they are starving to give them their meals is not something I feel comfortable doing for many reasons.

Any ideas or reassurances?
post #2 of 12
I am right there with you, mama. No help, but would love to hear from others!

post #3 of 12
I know some people do scheduled meals with very small/no snacks to make sure their children eat a full meal. It might not be viable with your littlest one, but perhaps the others? My approach to DD (3 y.o.) leaving food on her plate is... well, DH eats a bit smaller meal than he really wants and typically plans to finish her food. How strange is that?

In fairness, my father did that too when I was a kid and we went out to eat. Partially to save money, and partly b/c he couldn't stand seeing all that food go to waste.

Another thing that I have done, whether for good or bad, is to put her food that goes uneaten in the fridge. If she's hungry before the next scheduled meal/snack, she can have her leftovers. I only do this with food I know she typically likes. Of course, you'd have to catch the food before it is smeared on the table. Of late, mine has stopped eating the outer 1/3 of any slice of bread she is offered b/c it is "crust" - so who am I to talk?

Good luck!
post #4 of 12
Add allergy diets to the cost, and I'm here too. Right now, dd's insisting on pouring her own maple syrup on her plate

One thing that sometimes works for dd is to leave her uneaten food out so that it's what's available when she gets hungry again. She also has a smaller dessert plate, and custard cups for bowls. That way it's at least small portions that are being wasted. And finally, what we're trying to implement is the idea that when she starts playing with her food, she's through and we clear her plate. Dh's refrain is, 'when you finish that, I'll give you some more.'
post #5 of 12
Well you are feeding some to your pigs, so that's good, but is some of it salvagable? I know I don't mind scraping the boys plates (and mine, I never clean my plate people even comment on this. I think my inner child is rebelling?!?) into the soup bag, and every week (or more) I make soup out of the random scraps. It's always yummy!

I also don't mind feeding them their leftovers for lunch. As long as it isn't something that made them gag, then no prob, they will likely eat it happily the next day.

As far as playing with food and mushing it into the table, that is totally normal (and totally annoying! ) and I attempt to avoid the waste by giving them small amounts at a time. Like half a slice of cheese, vs 2 slices.

What kind of waste are we talking here? Plates full every day?
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
Add allergy diets to the cost, and I'm here too. Right now, dd's insisting on pouring her own maple syrup on her plate

One thing that sometimes works for dd is to leave her uneaten food out so that it's what's available when she gets hungry again. She also has a smaller dessert plate, and custard cups for bowls. That way it's at least small portions that are being wasted. And finally, what we're trying to implement is the idea that when she starts playing with her food, she's through and we clear her plate. Dh's refrain is, 'when you finish that, I'll give you some more.'
My ds is also very insistant on pouring his own EVERYTHING right now, so I've taken to putting gravy, sauces, etc into a really small measuring cup with a spout, and only a small amount at a time. That way if he dumps the whole thing out on his food, it's not a waste and he hasn't flooded his plate.

Your Dh and my dh have the same refrain! Workin' well over here!!!
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by lil_earthmomma View Post
My ds is also very insistant on pouring his own EVERYTHING right now, so I've taken to putting gravy, sauces, etc into a really small measuring cup with a spout, and only a small amount at a time. That way if he dumps the whole thing out on his food, it's not a waste and he hasn't flooded his plate.
I'm totally trying that next time!!
post #8 of 12
If its something I really don't want DS1 to waste I just give him a little at a time. If its something that I KNOW he'll eat a good bit of (pasta, pudding, etc) I'll give him a decent amount. But for most everything else, I start with a tiny amount and go from there - if he shows interest I'll give him a good bit more the second or third time, but that initail time or two its jsut a tinsy bit.
post #9 of 12
How do you react during the meal when they start licking and smearing the food on their plates? Do you just ignore it, or do you take any kind of disciplinary action?

I've told my kids "no wasting or playing with your food" and taken the plate away when they were doing the kinds of things you're describing. I'd give the plate back within less than a minute if they calmed down and promised to eat appropriately- explaining to them that, even if they're not hungry right now, it's wasteful to make the food inedible to somebody else.

I've never gone as far to give only a tablespoon of food at a time (except for toddlers in high chairs who like to throw food on the floor) but I have limited their portions to prevent waste- say, maybe one slice of cheese at a time rather than two, and keep an eye on their table manners, removing the plates if they act disrespectfully to the food.

Then again, I never had more than two little ones at a time, so I'm not sure how practical this is with several little ones and probably only one adult at times.
post #10 of 12
Our budget is really tied but we don't waste a bit. We have a 1 1/2 and 4 1/2 yo. We serve just our plates (DH and I) or commons bowls with differents foods. The kids put two empty plates for the kids. They serve what they want in very small portions, if they want more, they serve again and again in small portions.
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
I have been giggling while reading. I have done everything mentioned here to try to curb waste except making soup from scraps and using portion dishes.

Usually if the scraps are still edible, I will eat them, but then dc are hungry later anyway- so more food again. We don't often have snacks, and if we do, it's usually a piece of fruit and initiated by the children. We definitely take food away when it's becoming a game, but in reality, I cannot manage all four of their plates and also eat, although I have toyed with the idea of me eating first and them afterward. I'm pg and when a meal is ready, I really need to eat. The biggest problem with this is being surrounded and begged for my food- very stressful for me.

I really like the idea of having wee little portion dishes too. I always serve the first portion and if they want seconds, and the dishes are accessible (we're living in a demo-project so oftentimes the food is piled in weird places), they serve their seconds. That's when they make it through the firsts without smashing, smearing and/or licking everything- oooo, and pouring water all over it. We don't usually have water at the table, but if someone asks, we bring a glass, and that one almost always ends up passed to someone who immediately pours it on his food and then exclaims, "I can't eat this now. It's disgusting."

Oh, the cheese slices are small- about 2"x1" and thin, so they eat them in one bite. I gave up on giving tiny portions- one slice at a time, one tbsp at a time of other things because it is like a fast-paced game show trying to keep up with that.

Hmmm, how much waste? Well, we fill a 5 gallon bucket in 3-4 days. BUT that also includes scraps that are unsuitable for stock and scraps from making stock including egg shells which take up a lot of space and waste from food that arrived spoiled .

The worst is when they ask for butter and honey on bread or oats and then lick off the butter and honey and exclaim that they are 'full'. At lunch today I tossed two small bowls of cream of mushroom soup made with moose bone broth and chanterelles (left over from when I was not managing the finances ), about 3 ladles full, into the pig bucket. One had water dumped into it from an errant child dashing across to the counter and returning to do the experiment and the other cannot be consumed by anyone other than the dc who put his fingers throughout it, stirring it and licking his fingers, chewing a mushroom and returning it to the bowl, etc... He has to have a significant physical experience with his food at every meal- the 5 yr old- so his leftovers are generally not acceptable to anyone.

I wonder if starting to do the work to bring the food in might help them to see the chain of effort, labour and consumption. This year, once again, we'll hopefully start a garden. But if not, we live on a farm and our farmer friends are all too happy to share the workings of the farm with our boys even if I'm too big and slow or holding a brand newbie by harvest time.

I can always hope, right?

We have food sensitivities here too. Thankfully a very old style farm diet doesn't trangress any.

Portion dishes. Scrap soup.
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by isabchi View Post
Our budget is really tied but we don't waste a bit. We have a 1 1/2 and 4 1/2 yo. We serve just our plates (DH and I) or commons bowls with differents foods. The kids put two empty plates for the kids. They serve what they want in very small portions, if they want more, they serve again and again in small portions.
I loved doing that when we had our first two. Then it became unwieldy, but it was really great while it worked!
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