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How to get out of a rut? Need fresh ideas.

post #1 of 9
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DD has always been a challenging child, but recently we are all just awful with each other. Long story short--she is extremely opinionated and independent and very prone to contradict, disagree, or try to argue or negotiate about absolutely everything. She used to tantrum when thwarted, but now she tends to burst into dramatic tears. She is also very rude to us (not so much the words as the tone of voice).

The real problem is that we are fed up, and everyone is on edge, quick to fight, and quick to yell. I hear myself being very short-fused and intolerant with her, and although I have really curbed my yelling, I still speak curtly to her too often. DH is in a similar place. We both feel overcontrolled by her and resent her for it. She frequently says that I am "always mad at her" and "mad at her for no reason." Even if I am speaking in a very calm voice, she can tell I am annoyed and reacts accordingly.

It is hard to be gentle and relaxed with her because if you give her an inch, she will take a mile. I have considerd just trying to be more loose and free, but past experience shows that if we do this, we will be hearing abot it forever and a day. She has the memory of an elephant and the persistence of a mule. Also, she seems insatiable for control...it's like she can never have enough.

I have tried instituting more special time, more play time...unfortunately, we are in such a negative place that I feel overcontrolled and unengaged with her play and am very easily irritated.

Something needs to change, and I feel at my wits' end. I want to just turn things topsy-turvy somehow, or start fresh, or...something. I need fresh ideas.

She gets plenty of sleep. She has many friends. She is very, very bright, and certainly underchallenged at school, but happy there. FWIW she is well-behaved at school for the most part, and well liked.

Another FWIW: she has a younger brother who is almost 2. He is a very easygoing kid for the most part, but has been a little harder lately (teething intensely). They seem to adore each other and rarely fight--just occasional toy squabbles. He did get a LOT of attention over the holidays (relatives who had not met him) and is generally the kind of kid who attracts fawning.
post #2 of 9
DO you think she might enjoy another kind of creative outlet besides school? Would she enjoy a children's theater class or something at the YMCA or similar venue?

Maybe these activities can help her burn off some of the mental energy she seems to be saving to drive you crazy with .
post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 
That's not a bad idea, although logistically and financially, it's not too easy. She does better in general when really engaged. When we start to fight over nothing (now we sound like siblings!) I sometimes can head her off by giving her math problems or playing 20 questions or whatever.
post #4 of 9
I know the local theater here does children's programs and they have financial aid and state aid to help parents pay. It would be tough financially for us as well so I feel your pain.

Also, I would check the local library-mine does a lot of programs for children that are free.
post #5 of 9
I have a 5 year old and see where your frustrations come from. I have been and do deal with many similar issues. I don't know if I can suggest something that actually sets you all on a topsy turvey journey, but maybe so.

First, the tone of voice is incredibly important here. I explain to my Dd that I need her to use a respectful tone and not roll her eyes disrespectfully. I of coarse have to model this and it is difficult to keep my patience, but if I can calmly let her know that she needs to be calm and respectful the energy seems to shift. I hold her to this most times although I do let a little eye roll go by once in a while. I think that at this age the kids really do need to be taught respect. It apparently isn't innate.

I have had to practice the ole letting go of things. I can't possibly buy into all of my Dd's drama, tears and all. She is incredibly dramatic and she is allowed to be so, but I do not give in or upset my entire daily path in order to make her comfortable. I empathize as much as I can but do not feed energy into her expanding emotional base.

I have had to take a much firmer stance with her on some things too. I calmly explain things to her like I won't be told what to do, that I will make the decision on 'this' particular thing, that in some instances I expect her to simply do what she is told to do, that she needs to use her ears and brain and listen and do... another example is with her demand of me to do something (like hurry up) or (get her a snack). I gently remind her what respectful speaking sounds like.

All in all I think 5 is a scary time for we as moms are slowly severing the ties that held us so close as new mommies and babies. They are really sprouting their own wings and I am sure a great many of the dramatic tears are emotional gushes of feeling lost and alone in such a big world.

In the physical realm of things I run my dd into the ground whenever I can. A bike, a scooter, a soccer ball and 1.5 hours of constant running really does wonders.

And one more thing. I let my dd see me being vulnerable. After I yell at her or in quiet moments near bedtime I let her know how hard it is to be firm and make decisions and that it is my job to do the best for her. I let her see me cry and be angry but not explosive. It is such a journey.... isn't it?
post #6 of 9
Hi Lorax. I posted this letter from my father under Personal Growth a while ago. You’ll have to adapt it because me and my mom and you and your daughter are two different situations. But it has some good stuff in there about breaking out of the drama triangle, defining your personal boundaries, well, with a little tailoring it does fit your situation.

HTH

I grew up. I found peace. I know it’s not that my family is bad people. But somehow there’s just too much drama with them. And it’s like if I try to avoid going through the emotional ringer with them then “I don’t care about them.” anyway go follow that link. The method my dad described for redirecting drama traps and the links Miss Information posted to the descriptions of what’s behind or underlying all the drama could help you navigate through this a little more clearly.
post #7 of 9
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It is hard to be gentle and relaxed with her because if you give her an inch, she will take a mile. I have considerd just trying to be more loose and free, but past experience shows that if we do this, we will be hearing abot it forever and a day. She has the memory of an elephant and the persistence of a mule. Also, she seems insatiable for control...it's like she can never have enough.
I just wanted to add, you know my little guy is only two. *My drama with him is more like when he wants to eat fresh fruit from the fridge he wants to force feed me too. *After I tell him no thank you a few times I tell if you don't quit I am going to walk away. *I've thought about it. *I'm modeling to him right now how I handle peer pressure. *So somwhere between telling my two year old "stop pestering me so I can stay here and not have to walk away.". And telling my mother "quit badgering me". I mean "can we please change the subject or else I'll have to talk to you later" I'm learning how to keep all of my relationships drama-free.

I've even read about it here. *It's some kind of reverse time-out. *Where you walk away. *Close the door behind you, lock it if you have to. *Explain it to her, I want to make sure we can talk to each other and really hear what each other's saying. *That's not happening right now. *So we're going to try again later. **
post #8 of 9
Loraxc-I am getting to this stage with my 4 yr old, not so much attitude yet, but arguing about e v e r y t h i n g. He will argue with me that he is age 7, and go on for 10 minutes. Anyway, have you read Playful Parenting? I am reading it now and the author has many ideas of how to humorously handle sticky situations with our kids, but still let them know we love them unconditionally.

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All in all I think 5 is a scary time for we as moms are slowly severing the ties that held us so close as new mommies and babies. They are really sprouting their own wings and I am sure a great many of the dramatic tears are emotional gushes of feeling lost and alone in such a big world.
Yes!! Our kids want to know that we will always be there for them. They are testing the limits/boundaries, finding their place in the social order of things.
post #9 of 9
I have a book called 10 Days To A Less Defiant Child that really helped me. He advises taking some time to think about the good things your child has done recently. You could do this for a few moments before you go to sleep even, it's a nice way to end the day.

Did she help her brother?
Did she do something good at school?
Did she actually listen to you at some point that day?
Was she kind to someone?
Did she play lovingly with her dolls?

Because it is too easy to focus on the negative--this is a good way to shift your perspective a bit.
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