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Can you "spoil" your child?

post #1 of 12
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My in laws live with me. It makes it difficult for me to set any boundaries with DS (only 16 months). DS is allowed to do more than most kids. We make it a point to "explore" with him and have taught him things like "careful", "dangerous", "hot" instead of saying "NO!" He is a wonderful child and we do not have any problems with behavior etc other than what is typical of a 16 month old.

I do not want a spoiled brat who always gets there way or they make everyone elses life miserable. Sometimes I think that he just cant get everything he wants when he wants it, especially when he screams and throws tantrums for it. For example, i am trying to develop healthy eating habits. The other day I gave him some raisins. They are high in sugar so I give them in moderation. He wanted more and I would not give him anymore. I explained to him that mama wants him to be healthy and that he can have more raisins another day and that we will eat different food. My father in law was beside himself. He just could not understand why I didnt give him more raisins to make him stop crying. Later DS was trying to ask FIL for raisins and FIL said "no I cant give you because your mama will shout at me!" Maybe this doesnt affect him now, but i feel later he will think I am the "mean one". He could have supported my decision.

Also, sometimes DS will throw his food on the floor and screan for me to pick it up. My FIL will do this a billion times. I told him not to because DS needs to learn cause and affect. If he throws it, then it goes bye bye and he doesnt get to eat it. Things like that.

My approach for a temper tantrum is to acknowledge the emotion and feelings, but not to give into the behavior. For example, I will say, "I know it is fun to put your hand in the tub of vaseline and smear it everywhere, but mama needs to save it for the baby so its not something we can play with. Lets try and find something else." I will try and redirect him, but it doesnt always work, so I just ignore the tantrum (which quickly ends when I dont feed it). My in laws start saying "no no baby you are a prince! you are a king! how can we see you cry!?" and they feed into the tantrum.

Naturally, I am the one concerned about his upbringing and his manners. DH is totally with me, but that doesnt matter when he is at work. Am I wrong? I mean, is it ok for them to "spoil him" while living in the same house? Do you think as a child he will interpret that as more love, or just see it as something to manipulate to get his way? I dont want to be underminded because there are things in their culture I do NOT want DS to follow (ie: obsession with skin color, educational status, on and on...) and I am scared if he sees me as the mean one, then he will be more inclined to follow them. On the other hand, I want him to have good manners and not be spoiled.

Any thoughts? Dont be scared to hurt my feelings, I am totally open
post #2 of 12
do you live with them or do they live with you? i think my answer regarding their behavior would be different depending on who's house it is.
are you planning on living with them permanently or is this a temporary situation?
has your DH sat down and talked to them about why you dont give in to tantrums and how helpful it would be if they could also follow along?
post #3 of 12
Most of the things people worry about (liking responding to crying) are not going to spoil a kid. But it sounds like your IL are going to manage it!! I think you're right to be concerned. Your DH needs to talk to them about letting you take the lead in behavior issues. Find something in particular you let your IL's "spoil" him at. It sounds like they are loving wonderful people, but letting a child throw tantrums to get their way, and avoid the consequences of their behavior is not a good way to show love in the long run. And neither is undermining his mom in front of him!!
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by Jackies Ladybug View Post
do you live with them or do they live with you? i think my answer regarding their behavior would be different depending on who's house it is.
are you planning on living with them permanently or is this a temporary situation?
has your DH sat down and talked to them about why you dont give in to tantrums and how helpful it would be if they could also follow along?
They live with US... of course they see it differently (being from India). They see it as THEIR house because I married THEIR son.

DH has spoken with them MANYYYYY times. It just doesnt seem to help. Whenever he is gone, they just do whatever they want. DH is very supportive of me and we have the same thoughts on parenting, but we are both at a total loss on what to do now. We cant send them back bcuz for health reasons, my FIL must stay with us.
post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by MuslimMama View Post
They live with US... of course they see it differently (being from India). They see it as THEIR house because I married THEIR son.

DH has spoken with them MANYYYYY times. It just doesnt seem to help. Whenever he is gone, they just do whatever they want. DH is very supportive of me and we have the same thoughts on parenting, but we are both at a total loss on what to do now. We cant send them back bcuz for health reasons, my FIL must stay with us.
Wow, that is so hard. You might want to try posting in Multicultural Families and see if anyone over there has some ideas.

Do the health issues make this a long or short term situation? That would make a difference in how I dealt with it.
post #6 of 12
I don't think your son is spoiled. At 16 months a child is still a baby. They don't cry to manipulate you or get their way until much older.
post #7 of 12
There are two issues here:

1) Your in-laws. Regardless of whether or not they agree with you, this is your son, and your home. They're undermining you as a parent, which is not okay. That comment about you yelling at your FIL would send me over the top. Unfortunately, I have no advice on how to handle this. I'd kick my own parents out if they tried this (grandparents meddling with parents is a major trigger issue for me), but your FIL has to live there, so... ?? No idea.

2) "Spoiling". I do think it's possible to spoil a child. But, not by anything that you're talking about. At 16 months, the spilling stuff and having you pick it up is a game, nothing more. DS1 used to do it all the time. I got really, really, really fed up with picking the same thing up 3,000 times a day, but it was just a game...kinda like an all day game of Candyland (*shudder*). Handing it back to him isn't going to teach him he can get what he want by crying. (This is presuming we're not talking about something that's going to pick up a bunch of carpet fuzz or something - I obviously wouldn't hand him back a piece of banana or whatever. In that case, I'd usually realize that he wanted to play "drop and pickup" and give him something he could do that with.)

The "you are a prince, you are a king" stuff would drive me nuts, but if he's still being redirected and not allowed to play with the Vaseline (oohhh...been there!), then I don't think it's a huge issue, yk?

Honestly, I think if you're stuck with your in-laws, you're going to have to pick the hills you die on. The whole situation is a PITA, but, at least for me, the dropping his food and the "you're a prince" stuff wouldn't be worth having a fight. I'd save that for the flat-out attempts to undermine you as a parent (eg. "I'd let you have it, but your mama would yell").
post #8 of 12
i see the world from different eyes so my perspective is different.

i feel gparents have the right to gparent the child and we as parents have the right to parent our children.

and absolutely our child HAS to be spoilt by someone. and yes gparents have the right to do it.

in my case my dd rarely sees her gparents (distance) so if i dont spoil her there is no one to spoil her.

however what you call spoiling is perfectly normal in my books. i treated throwing food as a game. sometimes i would join her - even at 16 months and throw food along with ehr and point out how the peas run away yet the yoghurt falls like a blob.

she is 7. she respects her food (its something she decided on her own, not something i told her) and does not play with it anymore. they do stop. just coz they do it when young doesnt mean they will continue to do it all their lives.

my dd got sugar from about 14 months to 2 years. i didnt like it but my 82 year old neighbour could not understand why i diddnt approve. so even if i was there she would hide and give my dd something. in teh end i didnt protest anymore. i decided it was their thing. that little bit of cookie, or diluted soda would not hurt my dd that much. plus my dd LOVED our neighbour. our neighbour moved when dd was 2 and passed away when dd was 6. dd never saw her after 2. yet today she stilll remembers the cookies and ice drink neighbour would give her. she really remembers how special those moments were.

my mother grew up in a multigenerational family. she was the only dd amongst 3 boys. they were all spoilt rotten by the multigenerations. however they took their cues from their parents.

so yes i feel spoiling a child is v. healthy. it creates warm and fuzzies for our kids. and no it does not really 'spoil' the child.

so i think letting your inlaws do what they want - unless it is physically or emotionally harmful - is perfectly allright in my books. even when they live with you is GREAT for our kids. i remember when my gpa was visiting going and complaining against my mom. i was like 8. it felt wonderful to have that support. it was really hard for my mom to have a v. critical inlaw, but for us kids - it was just wonderful.

and all the negatives with ur inlaws are actually wonderful moments for your kids. the skin colour, education. they will become a point of discussion with your child. i know those kinds of things has profound conversations with my dd.

if your inlaws are putting you down, or being disrespectful to you openly - then no way should that continue. but a little bit of hitch is expected.

of course though i am an immigrant myself and i find here we tend to 'over parent' our children - rather than share it with the community.

my dd is 7. and i must say community parenting has really helped my dd (and me indirectly by giving me a break or discussing with my dd why someone was different than me) to be a pretty open minded child.
post #9 of 12
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so yes i feel spoiling a child is v. healthy. it creates warm and fuzzies for our kids. and no it does not really 'spoil' the child.
I don't even get what you mean here. If it doesn't spoil the child, them the child isn't being spoiled. Just giving a kid things or lavishing love on them isn't spoiling them.

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so i think letting your inlaws do what they want - unless it is physically or emotionally harmful - is perfectly allright in my books. even when they live with you is GREAT for our kids. i remember when my gpa was visiting going and complaining against my mom. i was like 8. it felt wonderful to have that support. it was really hard for my mom to have a v. critical inlaw, but for us kids - it was just wonderful.
That's not always the case, though. My grandmother did huge damage to our (me, my brother and sister) relationship with our mother. I recovered pretty quickly, but the negative repercussions for my siblings are still echoing today...and grandma died 20 years ago.

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of course though i am an immigrant myself and i find here we tend to 'over parent' our children - rather than share it with the community.

my dd is 7. and i must say community parenting has really helped my dd (and me indirectly by giving me a break or discussing with my dd why someone was different than me) to be a pretty open minded child.
That might well be the case, but there's a difference between community parenting (where the parents are on board) and someone interfering with a parent.
post #10 of 12
So long as they aren't disrespectful towards you I would say let them do it. I understand how they must be. I've seen alot of Indian families. I think you can only spoil a child when you constantly give into their demands. If you say no, and they throw a fit and you end up changing your mind then I believe that they can grow up spoiled and entitled.

I think at worst here your son will learn he can get away with more with his grandparents, and honestly most kids do. I'd say it's really normal for grandparents to spoil their grandbabies. He may learn how to manipulate them but honestly, that's their problem, not yours. So long as he grows up to be respectful to others it's probably not really a big deal.

Also, at 16mo I wouldn't really worry about it. He's still a baby. I'd worry more about it when he's getting closer to 2yo.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by MuslimMama View Post
They live with US... of course they see it differently (being from India). They see it as THEIR house because I married THEIR son.

DH has spoken with them MANYYYYY times. It just doesnt seem to help. Whenever he is gone, they just do whatever they want. DH is very supportive of me and we have the same thoughts on parenting, but we are both at a total loss on what to do now. We cant send them back bcuz for health reasons, my FIL must stay with us.
I suppose leaving brochures from assisted living facilities around the house for them to find would be mean.

Seriously though, could you try to get them or you and your DS out during the day while your DH is at work. Maybe send them to the towns senior center a few days a week, or sign them up for classes at the YMCA. You and your DS could go to playgroups and stuff, maybe some kind of mommy and me class.
post #12 of 12
I think it is totally possible to spoil kids. And I think if left to their own devices your inlaws will spoil him and he will be a terror within i a few months.

HOWEVER

I think you are doing an excellent job!!!! and if you keep at it they will not be able to over ride your parenting. Just explain to your son that grandparents are crazy but we put up with them. mom and dad are in charge. end of story. and so long as you keep doing what you are doing it is ok to indulge the grandparents every now and then.
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