Nice article re HS socialization

[oceanbaby]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-not-problem/

[faiths13]

thanks for this!

[theretohere]

Interesting.

[Momma Aimee]

awsome

thanks

[kewb]

Thanks. I sent the link to dh so he can give it to his parents the next time they have any doubts about what we are doing.

[lach]

This question sounds kind of snarky, but I mean it in all seriousness: does the HSLDA only send out their press releases to totally wonky news sources, or is it just only the wonky news sources that print the press releases? I went looking for more information about this study, from a reputable source, and found nothing except the Washington Times and a handful of religious websites. The same thing happened when I went looking for more information about that kid in Sweden. It makes me wonder, when not even aggregate news sources like Reuters or the AP doesn't even have something.

[fruitfulmomma]

I went looking for more information about this study, from a reputable source,

The study was done by the National Home Education Research Institute... http://www.nheri.org/

[lach]

Originally Posted by fruitfulmomma

The study was done by the National Home Education Research Institute... http://www.nheri.org/

The article says it was conducted by the Canadian Centre for Home Education, which is a Canadian branch of the HSLDA. The article just mentions a separate study about academics done by the National Home Education Research Institute.

I'm not questioning the study, FWIW, I'm just wondering why the HSDLA press releases only go into newspapers that I'd never send to friends and family as being a reputable source. Do they not send the press releases to other places, or do the other places just not print them?

[fruitfulmomma]

The article says it was conducted by the Canadian Centre for Home Education, which is a Canadian branch of the HSLDA. The article just mentions a separate study about academics done by the National Home Education Research Institute.

Oop, sorry, didn't read it carefully enough.

I'm not questioning the study, FWIW, I'm just wondering why the HSDLA press releases only go into newspapers that I'd never send to friends and family as being a reputable source. Do they not send the press releases to other places, or do the other places just not print them?

Don't know. Guessing most major outlets aren't going to print them though, considering how much anti-hs'ing slant I've seen.

[Lillian J]

Here's a very readable legal abstract with information that has purposely been gathered from sources outside of homeschooling for the purpose of neutrality - but it's nonetheless very favorable. This was put together by lawyers and homeschooling associates who were involved in the California court case which turned out in our favor. It was published in the Widener Law Review: Evidence for Homeschooling: Constitutional Analysis in Light of Social Science Research. Well worth bookmarking! - Lillian

[lach]

Originally Posted by Lillian J

Here's a very readable legal abstract with information that has purposely been gathered from sources outside of homeschooling for the purpose of neutrality - but it's nonetheless very favorable. This was put together by lawyers and homeschooling associates who were involved in the California court case which turned out in our favor. It was published in the Widener Law Review: Evidence for Homeschooling: Constitutional Analysis in Light of Social Science Research. Well worth bookmarking! - Lillian

Lillian J, you are a true font on wonderful knowledge. What a great article to have handy.

[Lillian J]

Originally Posted by lach

Lillian J, you are a true font on wonderful knowledge. What a great article to have handy.

Thanks - I was one of the team of contributors who fed them articles and research data for it that we'd collected. - Lillian

[MamaMonica]

We participated in a nheri study a few years ago. I think this might be the results of that one. I believe it went on for more than a year, maybe longer.

It was anonymous and the parents filled out the questionnaire before the test results were tabulated...which was a fair way to do it. The survey was an optional questionnaire we received with our testing materials. It was anonymously linked to the test scores (nheri only got the test scores and survey information, such as how long the child was homeschooled, etc. no names).

[BeanyMama]

Informative thread!

[Momma Aimee]

silly Question

Proving academic success is relatively straightforward. Today, it is accepted that home-schoolers, on average, outperform their public school peers. The most recent study, "Homeschool Progress Report 2009," conducted by Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute, surveyed more than 11,000 home-schooled students. It showed that the average home-schooler scored 37 percentile points higher on standardized achievement tests than the public school average.

Where can i find this? Lillian do you have it -- or a link to it - on your site?

I am looking for data on test scores of public school vs homeschool (ACT. SAT,, Iowa Basic Skills, CAT ... whatever) and while i know the nubers are always going to lack something ... as not all HS kids are testing ... and as you can not compare ALL homeschool kis to ALL public school kids ... I would still like it to show some people and to look at too.

Thanks

[sha_lyn]

Originally Posted by Momma Aimee

silly Question



Where can i find this? Lillian do you have it -- or a link to it - on your site?

I am looking for data on test scores of public school vs homeschool (ACT. SAT,, Iowa Basic Skills, CAT ... whatever) and while i know the nubers are always going to lack something ... as not all HS kids are testing ... and as you can not compare ALL homeschool kis to ALL public school kids ... I would still like it to show some people and to look at too.

Thanks

A to Z has the breakdown for the ACT. As far as I know the SAT does not collect information on homeschoolers: http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/...llegeTests.htm

[LauraN]

Originally Posted by lach

This question sounds kind of snarky, but I mean it in all seriousness: does the HSLDA only send out their press releases to totally wonky news sources, or is it just only the wonky news sources that print the press releases? I went looking for more information about this study, from a reputable source, and found nothing except the Washington Times and a handful of religious websites. The same thing happened when I went looking for more information about that kid in Sweden. It makes me wonder, when not even aggregate news sources like Reuters or the AP doesn't even have something.

Lach: The reason no reputable news source has this is that they all have policies against publishing "news" articles written by non journalists.

The author of that article is the president of the HSLDA, he tries to make it sound like the two studies he cites were conducted by different organizations, and he doesn't look critically at the studies.

It's a shoddy, blatantly biased article that at most could have run in the opinion section of a reputable news source,but never in the news section.

It's too bad. Those sorts of missteps do more harm than good to the homeschooling community. I think that trying to prove that homeschoolers do better than PS kids is not going to help anything, anyway.

[Lillian J]

Originally Posted by Momma Aimee

silly Question

Where can i find this? Lillian do you have it -- or a link to it - on your site?

No, I don't pay much attention to such research. Here's an interesting essay on homeschooling research. I'm obviously not in full agreement (see the link I posted earlier about the non-homeschooling-based research on homeschooling), but I do think it makes some good points to consider: Does Homeschooling Research Help Homeschoolers? But here's a very long and complete page of annotated links to articles on Homeschool Research, and I think I'll put a link to this in my site.

Lillian

[Momma Aimee]

intresting thoughts.

I, personally, don't think there is any harm in research on homeschooling outcomes, any more than there is harm in compareing test scores from school A to school B or state A to state B.

No it is never a driect comparrison -- kids who are home schooled vs kids in public schools -- there are a ton of variables there -- but the same is true of copareins test results in a city school or a small town school or in New York State vs Texas ....

You can't take them as Bible Truth and you have to be realistic and remember liers and figures lie ...but on the other hand they do give you some window or some information.

Our local school district has very poor test scores, granted if my children went there chances are THEY would not have poor test scores as Dh adn i are still their folks ... but the poor scores of the district be mean something for us if our children were there.

Thanks for the links

[Lillian J]

Originally Posted by Momma Aimee

Our local school district has very poor test scores, granted if my children went there chances are THEY would not have poor test scores as Dh adn i are still their folks ... but the poor scores of the district be mean something for us if our children were there.

Ah! Yes, and those poor scores may mean something other than what one would assume. I know there are are a few brave districts who have taken the stance that they'd rather work on education than on No Child Left Behind and other prep, so they do get lower test scores. That's another layer to look into if a time would come when school was being considered as an option. - Lillian