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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi all,
I could use some help re cloth diapers. I tried prefolds and hated them, my infant pooped through the cover nearly every time and I felt I had to change him 20 plus times a day. I am trying them again now that baby is 12 weeks with a service that lets you try diapers (some all in ones, etc) for 2 weeks. Last night he soaked through a gro baby diaper in the 3.5 hour stretch between feedings and then because I had to change all his clothes he woke up and screamed vs sleeping through the diaper change and then it took longer to get him back to sleep even after nursing. I want to make cloth work but I can't change his outfit at 3 in morning it is too hard on both of us.

Am I doing something wrong? Can anyone give me advice (and if there is anyone in Cambridge, MA area who would be willing to give a personal tutorial I would be very grateful....?)

Which brand do you like best and why?
Do you use more than one brand, why?

How often do you change the baby in the day?
In the night?

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes?
How often is there a poop blow out?

I've also seen people mention wool - what brand is this and is it just wool or wool with an additional cover? Does wool contain the urine without an additional cover?

Thanks all
post #2 of 15
Which brand do you like best and why?
I used prefolds with a hemp doubler and occasionally a fleece liner. Some fitteds. Thirsties covers fit my slim kiddo best; Bummis fit my chubby one better.

Do you use more than one brand, why? As mine grew, which diaper fit best changed. When we were running errads, pockets were easier for me to juggle. At home I prefered a snappi-closed prefold.

How often do you change the baby in the day?
I changed mine often. Right after waking, checked after nursing, before naps, before trips out.

In the night? Not once after she stopped pooping in the middle of the night (12 hrs). I won't let mine sit in poop because of rashes.

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes? Rarely to never. If this had been a problem, I probably would have tried first adding another hemp doubler and then tried a wool cover over it.

How often is there a poop blow out? I remember two. Parent error. We left gaps at either the leg or back (or both) or part of the diaper wasn't fully tucked in.

I will let a wool expert answer your other questions.
post #3 of 15
Which brand do you like best and why?/Do you use more than one brand, why?

I use goodmama fitteds with Imse Vimse covers or Disana wool covers and Imse Vimse AIOs. In my experience, a heavy-duty fitted is the only thing that will last a whole nap. I like goodmamas--I like the fit, the absorbency, the cute prints. DD1 wore them until she potty trained at 32 lbs and DD2 started wearing them around 15lbs (now 20lbs). They hold up well, mine have seen constant use for the last year and some of the outer fabrics are getting pilly or faded but there are no rips, no ravelling, and they only get more absorbent. There are other great fitteds out there, sized and one-size and I'm sure other posters will be able to give you some good ideas!

For covers, I've tried a lot and my favorites are Imse Vimse, both for fit and effectiveness. The organic cotton ones are very comfortable--no red marks on either of my sensitive girls--and they've just started doing the Soft covers with snaps. These are the best covers ever, nothing gets past them, the diaper can be dripping but your baby's trousers will be dry. And if by chance your DS does a monster poo that gets through a good fitted, it won't get on his clothes.

For out and about, we use Imse Vimse AIOs. They're great, come with snaps, hold a ton of pee, reasonably trim. They are sized though which works well for my very slim DD2 and we are in the larges and I expect they'll fit her through PL'ing. For one size AIOs I like BumGenius organic. I don't like pockets, they're a pain to wash and stuff and the various AIOs you can get now are trim and dry pretty quickly so there's not really any advantage to pockets (IMO.)


How often do you change the baby in the day?

Dunno really, when she's wet! Probably every 1.5 - 2 hrs when she was tiny, a bit longer now (she's 18mos)

In the night?

Not at all. Once she stopped pooping in the night I stopped changing her.

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes?

Never.

How often is there a poop blow out?

Never.

I've also seen people mention wool - what brand is this and is it just wool or wool with an additional cover? Does wool contain the urine without an additional cover?

We use a Disana wool cover at night (and when she asks for it in the day!) I'm not exactly sure how it works, but you treat it with lanolin (lansinoh nipple cream) and it absorbs the pee without feeling wet. You let it dry out between wearings and you only have to wash it when it starts to smell (about once a month.) It's breathable and really cozy. More information here: http://www.greenmountaindiapers.com/...htm#doubleknit

A cover like this with a well-boosted fitted underneath it will get you through the night. Even my super-peeing DD2 can't bust it and she once exploded a disposable with her nighttime pee. You can get trimmer daytime wool covers too.
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks ladies this is very helpful. I'm not sure how my 12 weeker is peeing through a thick gro babies (and now a couple of the other all in ones. ) perhaps it is a fit issue. I will try adding some additional doublers tonight. Also, thanks for the link to Green mountain - do you have a preference for which of the wool covers works best? The merino wool pull on looks good but I'd only be able to afford one - one would probably be enough though, right?

Also how many diapers do I need to make this work? I have tried the Flip covers with prefold and while it worked better than the standard prefold we started with, the gaps between cloth and cover meant that poop got through - am I doing it wrong? We might just skip any prefolds so if so - how many all in ones would be needed and is it actually cost effective if you have all All in ones?
post #5 of 15
I use grow baby's but I have never used them at night. I think my son would pee through them too. It could also be a matter of how quickly or forcefully he pees. I have a fast peer it comes out fast with a lot of force. Others pee slowly which allows the diaper to absorb better.

How often do you change the baby in the day? Every 2-3 hours
In the night? He goes all night, no changes.

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes? I rarely have this problem unless I can't change him in a timely manner and then it's a matter of leaking from a leg or the waist not the diaper itself soaking through
How often is there a poop blow out? When he was younger I had more blow outs than now, of course I've figured things out now but perhaps once a month when he was around 12 weeks. When he was 1st born maybe 1-2/week. We haven't had any poo blowouts in a few months.

Also how many diapers do I need to make this work? I have tried the Flip covers with prefold and while it worked better than the standard prefold we started with, the gaps between cloth and cover meant that poop got through - am I doing it wrong? We might just skip any prefolds so if so - how many all in ones would be needed and is it actually cost effective if you have all All in ones? Prefolds blowout because you can't get the legs tight. It's just what happens. You aren't doing anything wrong with the Flip covers. The prefolds will leak to the covers just so long as it's not getting past the cover then your fit is correct. Your baby should be getting more on a pooing schedule at this point and not pooing every time so things should start getting better for you. At night you need a super absorbent diaper with a doubler and a good cover. I use bamboo or hemp mostly at night as they are more absorbent than cotton. I use a PUL cover like a Blueberry or a Mommy's Touch at night. My nighttime diapers are a BabyBeeHind OS (I don't need an extra doubler for this one!), Imse Vimse Terry Contour with some doublers, Sustainable Babyish with doublers, and Bamboozle with doublers. I use a PUL cover or I have a felted knit shorties that I use with everything except the Imse Vimse because it doesn't keep the legs tight enough and he'll pee out of the side. As far as AIO go I'd get OS AIO to really be cost effective. Nicker Nappies OS fit 5 year olds so they will get to potty training even if it happens late. BumGenius Organics OS are super absorbent. Smartiepants pockets are less money. I think they're $14.95 http://www.pittsburghclothdiapers.co...martipants.htm

As far as wool goes it's just a cover material. I find that wool covers leak if you really let it saturate the dipe and sit so by morning the sheets are wet if I use any of my wool covers except my one wool cover that my BIL shrunk. It's the only one I can use at night. Of course it was trial and error to find all of this out. I have had batter results with fleece covers. No leaking there. But as I said my son can't sleep in a GroBaby although I love them for daytime.
post #6 of 15
Which brand do you like best and why?
Do you use more than one brand, why?

Our entire stash is rumparooz. I made a big gamble before DS was born after looking at different options. I had it narrowed down to them, and the BG AIO. I ended up taking a chance on the Rumprooz bc I liked the double gusset, the newborn sizing, and yes.. I'll admit it, bc I liked the color choices I realize color is a dumb criteria for a big gamble like this.. so I am lucky it worked out and we love our dipes.

How often do you change the baby in the day?
Whenever he is wet, or poopy. DS is very vocal about a wet dipe when he's awake, we go through about 15 changes per 24 hrs

In the night?
We use a doubler at night, change him when he wakes up and fusses, 1 -2 times a night.

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes?
Two times (DS is 7 weeks)

How often is there a poop blow out?
Never, poop does not escape those double gussets, even DS's runny BF poo.

We had daily blowouts in the first week and a half of DS's life, when we were using disposables bc his cord had not fallen off yet, I really hate those things!!

I've also seen people mention wool - what brand is this and is it just wool or wool with an additional cover? Does wool contain the urine without an additional cover?
I'm curious to know this myself!! I read about it all the time, but I'm clueless about this whole wool thing!

Also how many diapers do I need to make this work?
We have 30. I'd like at least 5 more.... We have about 50 cloth wipes, I do laundry every other day.
post #7 of 15
A trick for getting prefolds nice & tight:

1) Fold down the back a bit if the rise is too long. This makes it easier to put into a cover too. The rise is too long if parts of the prefold reach or go above the belly button.

2) Lay baby's bottom so that the end of his bottom is just beyond the folded down part/the back part of the prefold is above the hips.

3) Fold in the front ends of the prefold towards the middle. So take the right part and fold it onto the middle 'soaker' part. Then take the left part and fold it over on top of the right part.

4) Bring up the legs. While gently pulling on this end, use your middle fingers to slightly flare the top. This should move the two parts you folded on to the soaker apart a bit.

5) With your Right hand, hold down the now flared top part (I usually rest my thumb on the 'left' (for you) flare and my pinky on the 'right flare.

6) Using your left hand, grab the left edge of the back end of the diaper and put it on top of the left front flare, putting your thumb on it to hold it together.

7). Using your left hand, grab the right edge of the back end of the diaper and put it on top of the right front flare, putting your pinky on it to hold it together.

For step 6 & 7 you need to move your right fingers off just before you bring the edges together. Similar movement to how you flare out your cards in a card game.

8) Using your left hand, latch the left part of the snappi onto the left 'wing' you just made, letting go of it with your right thumb as you do so.

9) While stretching the snappi across your baby, hook the right end of the snappi onto the right wing.

10) Then pull down the lower end of the snappi.

Now, for the 2 TRICKS to getting a tight fit:

Trick 1:

Roll baby on his right side a bit and start tucking in the back edge of the prefold. You want to use a bit of a curling tucking motion (similar to rolling a tube of paper--you push the paper in, but in a downward curvy motion). Do the same on the other side. What this is doing is creating a barrier to poop. It's a raised edge. It also tightens the rear portion a bit, and exposes more of the upper thigh--both good things.

Trick 2:

This is the one I haven't seen before, but it literally makes a huge difference in fit. Lay baby back on his back. Using your right thumb, unhook the snappy (using the finger loop). Hold it taut though, With your left hand, pull up the front of the diaper until it's a bit tighter. Hold down with right index finger. Using your left hand, pull on the back wing so that you pull it more forward. Re-snappi.

Repeat on the right side. This takes up ALL the slack that might be at the front of the diaper.

At first it might seem like it takes 'forever' to do it, but now it takes me 20 seconds with a squirmy toddler. It took me a while to figure out trick #2, I was still having some poo explosions on toddler poop (thankfully our covers caught all of them).


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For leaks, you need to look at fit. Once you put on the cover, run your hands across the back and front of the diaper. There should be no prefold/insert sticking out.

Look around the thighs, make sure all parts of the prefold are covered by the cover. If not, 'tuck' the prefold in using your fingers. This part is really helped by trick #1. The tighter you roll the prefold in, the higher the thigh line, the less likely anything will be sticking out.

To check legs, grab your baby's legs and 'pump' them (looks like you're helping them with gas). You don't need to be vigorous in it, but it will expose if there are any gaps. If, during the pumping the cover shifts in such a way that you can see the prefold, even if just a tiny gap, it WILL leak.

Or, you might see 'wing droop' where the front of the cover migrates downwards at the sides. This can expose the prefold at the edges, causing leakage.
Solution: Different cover style.

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Pee leakage:

I've had issues with pee too. Here are three reasons & solutions I've found:

1) Not enough absorbency.

For longer naps or longer outings, you might just need more stuffing. Also, ds pees too much for an infant prefold. I had to move him up to premiums, even though he still fits in the infant prefolds. You might have to size up or get more 'layers' in using doublers. A cheap, yet a bit bulky, doubler is a flat/receiving blanket folded down into a rectangle and layed on top of the prefold.


2) Wrong cover for baby shape.

My son has gone from a super chunk (6 mos and 22 inch waist--NOT joking) to a 2year old who, width wise, fits into 12 month clothes. He's chunked up a bit and is in 18mos width wise right now. He still has really skinny legs. His thighs are 11inches.

For a super chunk baby, you need to get a cover that's more generously sized. Proraps are thicker in the thigh area.

For a skinny legged baby, a side snapping cover helps a ton. These also work on chunky legged yet slimmer waisted (proportionally) babies too, since you can adjust the legs independently of the waist. A good (inexpensive) cover is the Mother-ease Air flows. No marks & leak proof.

3) Going too long between changes.

If ds has finished a cup of liquid, he needs to get changed withing 10 minutes. He will soak the diaper. Happens in sposies too. A wet prefold/diaper is like an overly wet sponge. Any sort of compression (walking, sitting) will squeeze out liquid. And no matter how great the cover, it's not made to hold a big ole' river of pee.

Ami
post #8 of 15
Posting again to specifically answer your other questions:

Which brand do you like best and why?
I've tried a lot of brands. Honestly it depends. When ds was a super chunk, I liked Happy Heiny's One Size. More generous in the waist/thighs. As he slimmed, I liked BumGenius One Size, since they fit smaller.

However, I went back to prefolds. Once I got the hang of it (see above post) it's super easy, much more trim, and easier to wash.

My prefolds I got from clothdiaper.com. I did get a few dozen brown edge GMD's (green mountain diapers) when ds was really chunky yet short. They worked nicely.

Do you use more than one brand, why?

Mostly because I heard that you need to 'try' things out to see what you like. If you want to try a bunch of brands 'risk free' Nicki's diapers (google) has it so that you can try a bunch of diapers for 2 weeks, send back the ones you don't like (minus shipping) for a refund. Let's you try lots of diapers and find what you like.

I also have a bunch of covers. Thirties, bummis pull ons, motherease air flow, Bummi's wraps, Proraps etc. When ds was chunkier, the wraps (proraps, thirsties, bummies) worked really nicely. Now that he's skinnier, the side snapping covers of the Mother ease Air flows fit best, as do the pull ons. If I were to do it all over again, I'd only get the Mother ease air flows and pull ons. Super adjustable and leak proof.

How often do you change the baby in the day?

Depends. If he goes a while without drinking 3 or so hours. If he's thirsty and downs a cup/bottle, within 20 minutes.

In the night?

I use sposies. Not because of leak issues, but because ds wakes up if he feels wet. Fine for his naps, but NOT for night time. Since his legs are so skinny, I can't really get the 'stay dry' features of my pockets for nighttime (I used to use a Happy Heiny or BG One size stuffed with extra inserts).


How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes?

Practically never, now that I have the right covers. If I let him go too long between changes though, I do get some leakage. I have the same issues with sposies too. If I don't change him right after waking up, he soaks through them.

How often is there a poop blow out?

Never, now that I have trick #2! (see above post)

I've also seen people mention wool - what brand is this and is it just wool or wool with an additional cover? Does wool contain the urine without an additional cover?


Any wool will work, if it's 100% (or at least 90 %) Wool. The trick is that covers (made commercially, knit by yourself, or made from wool sweaters) must be lanolized. It's simple to do ( best tutorial).

Wool is lovely. It doesn't have the fit issues covers do, since they cover a lot more of the babies (I have shorties and longies--shorts & pants--wrap covers might be different).

A properly lanolized cover will hold a lot of pee. The lanolin is antibacterial, so after changing, if it's a bit wet, just let it dry and it's good to go. You don't need to wash it with every change.

There is the problem of both wool and fleece covers having 'compression' leakage. What this means is that it is super soaked, yet 'holds' the pee until a form of compression (baby sitting, you holding a baby) causes the fabric to be squeezed. Because it is so wet, this forces water out of it. Like a wet sponge. A well-wrung out sponge is 'damp' but squeezing it lightly or moderately won't make it let go of water. A super soaked sponge, otoh, only needs the tiniest squeeze.

A lot of moms, to prevent nighttime leaks, put a regular cover on, then a wool cover. The wool cover 'catches' anything the regular cover can't. This works nicely for super soaker babies who aren't bothered by being wet.

Ami
post #9 of 15
Which brand do you like best and why?
Knickernappies Disposanots. The leg casings are top stitched, which help hold in messes, and they are trim. I also use Fuzzi Bunz, GADs, and bumGenius, and would rank my preference in that order. I use Fuzzi Bunz exclusively at night.

Do you use more than one brand, why?
I like the coverage of front-snapping Fuzzi Bunz for nighttimes. They were the first brand I bought, and my diapers are now on their third child. I picked up some GADs and bumGenius along the way, and like them well enough. I think the biggest thing with pocket diapers is the type of insert you use. I make bamboo inserts and fell in love with cloth diapering all over again.


How often do you change the baby in the day?
I have a 23-month old who gets changed about every 2 hours during the day (or immediately changed if it's a dirty diaper.

In the night?
He goes 12+ hours at night.

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes?
Never.

How often is there a poop blow out?
Never. I've had one poop blow out in my 23-month old's entire life.

I've also seen people mention wool - what brand is this and is it just wool or wool with an additional cover? Does wool contain the urine without an additional cover?
I used Kissaluvs for a very brief period of time with my second child, and occasionally used a wool cover with her. I just didn't love fitteds or prefolds as much as I love pockets, so I don't have a constructive answer on this.

I hope you find some help! I got into cloth diapering because a friend of mine sat me down with her diapers and walked me through the whole process, and I try to pay it forward and do the same for anyone in my area.
post #10 of 15
Which brand do you like best and why? I like different brands for different purposes. For night time, we use a Happy Hempys stuffed with a prefold. For daytime, my go-to diaper is Dream-Eze, although I also really love my Sugar Peas AI2s. For nap-time or if I'm going to be going out, I'm really liking my Goodmamas or my Little Beetle OS, although I've only had them about 2 weeks.

Do you use more than one brand, why? Diapers are not one-size fits every situation.

How often do you change the baby in the day?
In the night?
If I'm at home, he'll get changed about every 2 hours during the day. If I'm out I'll put him in something a little more absorbent and unless he poops he can go 3-4 hours. At night he gets changed at least once, sometimes twice. I feel his diaper and if it's wet when he wakes for nursing I change him.

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes? Almost never. In fact, I can't remember a single occasion.
How often is there a poop blow out? I've had 2 in almost 4 months, and both of those were the same day - both were also mama error.

I've also seen people mention wool - what brand is this and is it just wool or wool with an additional cover? Does wool contain the urine without an additional cover? Wool IS the cover. It's any brand of wool that is not superwash (machine washable). You can buy premade covers, you can knit or crochet covers from wool yarn, you can sew wool covers from wool fabric or you can even sew them from old wool sweaters you can find at the thrift store. And one will definitely not be enough. When we had the blow out the other day, he was in a wool sleep sack, so I had to wash it. Even with rolling it in a towel and walking on it to get as much water out as I could, it took 2 days for it to dry. Right now we have a wool sleep sack he spends the nights in, 2 pairs of longies (pants) that we swap during the day, and 3 snap wool covers as back-ups... he's outgrown 2 pull-on soakers already, and not yet grown into a handful of other wool I've made him.
post #11 of 15
Stel, here's a nice picture tutorial on using a big prefold on a little one:

http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/...d.php?t=909316

I use the second fold.


Ami
post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by stel View Post
Last night he soaked through a gro baby diaper in the 3.5 hour stretch between feedings
I have not used GroBabies but generally I think it's a good idea to change any diaper about every 2 h in the daytime. I even preferred to do this with sposies, although it felt wasteful when the diaper was clearly not very full.

Overnight is a different story and most people will need a special overnight diaper. They even sell special disposables for overnight, with extra absorbency.

Which brand do you like best and why?
Do you use more than one brand, why?


Softbums AI2 for daytime. Trim, one-size, easy to put on, minimal laundry, dry-touch insert, no pockets to stuff, customized fit around the leg elastics.

Fuzzibunz OS pocket for nighttime, double-stuffed with a hemp and a microfiber insert. Good coverage with a high rise to avoid leakage (this would be a disadvantage for daytime though as it inhibits mobility and is difficult to put clothing over), can double-stuff the pocket for extra absorbency, one-size, customized fit around the leg elastics.


How often do you change the baby in the day? In the night?

I try to change every two hours in the day (unless poopy in which case change immediately), although I've gone up to 3.5 or 4 accidentally when out and about. I do not change the baby overnight (she sleeps ~10 h).

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes?

We had lots of leaks when we first started CD. I think it was mostly a matter of the inserts not having been washed enough times to get to full absorbency. I think they really needed like 10+ washes to get up to speed. There was probably also a factor of not knowing the tricks to putting them on (eg check around the legs for wicking). Also I think putting the covers in the dryer helped a lot - apparently it reseals any micro-holes in the PUL.

Now we rarely have leaks in the day. Maybe 1x/month? It's not a matter of the insert being full either (they're never full, they hold tons and always feel dry on the top) but usually wicking out the legs.
Nighttime leaks are more common - maybe once every 2 weeks?

How often is there a poop blow out?
Never, although it used to happen regularly with sposies.

I've also seen people mention wool - what brand is this and is it just wool or wool with an additional cover? Does wool contain the urine without an additional cover?
Dunno, I do not own any wool covers.
post #13 of 15
Which brand do you like best and why?

We currently use Bum Genius 3.0 pockets 99% of the time (I have a few random dipes) and love them. I use them b/c they were "popular" so I thought I'd try those first (after my varied newborn stash) and since I liked them we just stuck with them. I love that I can adjust the absorbency with different/more inserts and they dry quickly b/c they are pockets. The velcro is annoying however. I end up with a long strand of diapers out of my dryer.

Do you use more than one brand, why?
Not really. I have a few others I hardly ever use and mostly that is b/c I've had such good luck with the BG 3.0 that I'm afraid to try something else and have it be a huge mess.

How often do you change the baby in the day?
Generally every 2 hours or so unless I need to change him before that b/c we're leaving the house and I want a fresh diaper on him,I know he's pooped, etc.

In the night?
Never, that would wake him up and he practically stays asleep (still waking veryoften!) to eat. That diaper is FULL by morning, but never leaks.

How often is the diaper soaked through to clothes?
never had that happen

How often is there a poop blow out?
Just started happening and it was b/c I needed to adjust the size to be bigger, other than that, no blow outs.
post #14 of 15
I don't have time to respond to the whole thread right now, but I wanted to say that I love using prefolds since I got a few Thirsties covers. I swear by these; they contain leaks better than anything else we have (including FuzziBunz and BumGenius) and they're super easy to use - plus you don't have to wash them every time you use them, I just hang them to air out a bit if they haven't gotten dirty and use them on the next change. I love them!
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
thank you moms - I find this really helpful. I was away for the weekend without comp access so I'm sorry for not writing back sooner. I've been driving my poor partner crazy since she claims cloth diapering is my new favorite subject (which it is). My head is reeling a bit from just how many different brands there are but the tips are great. JTA mom - I'm going to have to have computer in one hand and diaper in the other but I will practice. Thanks also for the link - I'm going to sign up so I can view it. I think the diapers are getting a little more absorbent b/c I haven't had a leak recently whereas I had two in the first day. Also I'm going to check for fit and leaks as instructed by you all - so thank you. Also thank you for the tips on wool and how to do it. I don't have a wool one to practice with so it is good to know in advance of purchase the pros and cons. All in all I'm feeling much more positively about cloth and my ability to follow through with it. Also my son looks so cute with them on!
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