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Dog and divorce (kinda long)

post #1 of 10
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I wasn't sure whether posting this in single parenting or here might get me more advice, but I figured you all love your pets and will understand my dilemma.

First a little background: My DH and I have just separated within the last 2 months and are on very good terms. We've always shared similar values and parenting and are doing well with co-parenting in our new situation. This is the 2nd dog we've had in our relationship and she is almost 4yo. A larger breed mutt we got from the humane society, she's probably a golden retreiver mixed with a collie.

My concern is that she isn't getting her needs met and is getting depressed. Specifically, when we were all together she would get a good walk in the morning 45min-1hour of exercise and then could go in/out of the house all day into the yard. Not a big space for exercise but so she could get fresh air and lay outside or go pee, etc.

Now, because we are selling our home and DH is living there he doesn't want to clean up dog hair so he has requested that the dog live with me. I am living in a rented flat, where the landlord (who is a longtime friend of our family) prefers not to have a dog chained in their yard. It can really tear up the property. This is very understandable to me. And DH and I knew this was the situation and our agreement was that when DH has DD (50% of the time) then I would be responsible for getting the dog out. When I have DD then DH would need to come over to my house and get the dog out for exercise and pee breaks. We agreed that this was temporary until the house was sold and DH relocated where he could keep the dog with him when he didn't have DD. Currently, we live a 2minute drive or a 12 minute walk from each other. We agreed that there was a need to let the dog out 3 times a day. Since we made that agreement DH's been slacking and not living up to it. First, he said getting over in the middle of the day was problematic for him (despite the fact he is unemployed) and it interrupts his day too much. He said I should just walk the dog around the block w/ DD when we got home from school. This is not my preferred solution as getting DD 7.5yo to agree to this is sometimes difficult. Afterschool she is ready to play or do other things and isn't keen on being dragged along on a walk, so it is a bit of a sales job to convince her it is an important responsibility. Then, recently, DH has come earlier in the evening, before he goes out socially, say around 6:30ish and takes the dog around a couple of blocks - a 15 minute walk at best and thinks she is fine until 7:00am. This does not set well with me at all. In fact he forgot to come entirely one night and I had to scramble to get a friend to come over and sit in the house with DD while slept, so that I could get the dog out to go potty before bed. On the days that DD is with DH i make sure the dog gets a good 45 minute walk before I leave for work and again when I come home. She's in the house for about 8 hours. I then walk her again before bed.

When I talk with DH about this he says he isn't willing to change and that we may just have to get rid of the dog. I think he's not living up to his responsibility and getting rid of the dog would another big change for DD that isn't really about her choices but about DH and I deciding to divorce. My goal is to lessen the impact of this event on her life as best possible.

I'm not sure what to do? I could hire a dog walker to compensate for DH's lack of support but that would cost an estimated $140 a month and given his unemployment and our expenses, my low income it really is not feasible. Any thoughts on how I can manage the dog better or get him to step up? I love the dog, want to see that she is happy and healthy and that I am living up to the obligation that I took on when I adopted her.

Thanks for reading this far.
~ Denise
post #2 of 10
Why would the dog be chained in the backyard where you currently live? Why couldn't she be inside with you?

Personally, I could campaign to have the dog come live with you. Does your dog have up to date vet records? Has she completed any sort of training, like the canine good citizen program? If so, I'd compile all your paperwork on her and approach your landlord and show them that your dog will not destroy the house, won't spread disease, and lay out your intentions as a dog owner, like leashed supervised potty breaks where you'll pick up all her messes, crate her when you're not home, etc.

Unfortunately now is NOT a good time for dogs in shelters. Not that any time is, but in the current economy a lot of dogs are being surrendered due to people loosing their houses and problems with finances. Surrendering an older dog is a huge risk to her life. Unless you could permantly place her privately with someone you trusted, I would try to have her come live with you. If your living arrangements are temporary and you plan to be in a dog friendly place again soon, all the more reason not to loose your companion for temporary reasons.
post #3 of 10
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<Why would the dog be chained in the backyard where you currently live? Why couldn't she be inside with you?>

She is inside with me now, just that when she needs to go potty she needs WALKS and can't go into the yard as the landlord disapproves of having the dog in the yard. The walking schedule and my DH are what I have issues with. He agreed to one thing, but then changed his mind about it and the dog isn't getting enough opportunity.

<Unfortunately now is NOT a good time for dogs in shelters. Not that any time is, but in the current economy a lot of dogs are being surrendered due to people loosing their houses and problems with finances. >

I will not surrender the dog. I will keep working on this and if necessary find her another home myself.

Yes, this is temporary (hopefully) as I would like to purchase a home in the next year. But is it realistic to give the dog 1 bit of exercise and 1 potty break a day and expect her to hold it as long as 12 hours in between? That seems unrealistic. How do I get STB-exDH to step up and just take her for a potty walk and time her evening walk so that it is before bed.

Thanks for your comments.
~ d
post #4 of 10
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Last question - should I FORCE DD to take the dog on a walk with me??
post #5 of 10
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How do I get STB-exDH to step up and just take her for a potty walk and time her evening walk so that it is before bed.
I don't think anyone can help you answer that. Either he sees it as a worthy responsibility and steps up, or the dog becomes 100% your responsibility. Seems like the latter is happening here. I would just assume that he won't be keeping up on his end of the deal and move on. He obviously doesn't want to help.

Having said that, dogs are very resilient and most are able to adapt very quickly. In a temporary situation it's possible to make less exercise work with a little creativity. Indoor activities like scent work are great at stimulating a bored dog without having to pack up and take her for a walk.

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Last question - should I FORCE DD to take the dog on a walk with me??
Yes. It's what needs to happen. If the dog has to pee, she has to pee. If you don't have anyone to watch your daughter, she sort of has no choice but to go out for a walk. If it's JUST bathroom breaks your worried about, you don't need to walk around the block. Find the first patch of grass out of the yard and use that, then go right back inside.
post #6 of 10
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Last question - should I FORCE DD to take the dog on a walk with me??
Absolutely. At 7.5 years old, she's old enough to learn responsibility and getting used to having to follow through. Besides, walks are healthy.

This is just my opinion, but I think you need to let your ex off the hook and accept that you now have full custody of the dog. Yes, he isn't living up to his end of the bargain, but while agreeing to come over a couple of times a day to walk the dog might sound reasonable when you first negotiate the break-up, I can see how it would quickly become a PITA in reality. You don't need to have just one more way in which he can let you down, so let him know that the dog is now "yours". It doesn't sound like he even wants the responsibility of caring for the dog.

Dogs are super forgiving and very versatile. I don't know what your custody schedule is like, but a dog will be okay with getting little more than pee-breaks part of the week and getting full walks the other part. Or one week on, one week off. (Unless your dog is super hyper and needs to be drained of energy, which isn't how she came across in your description.) If she really needs two 45-minute walks a day, then see if you can get yourself and your DD up earlier before school and work, then do it again after school and work.

I hope you can find a way to make it work without involving your ex. The transitional time after a break-up is sensitive, and you really don't need another reason to get riled up about your ex, or another way in which he owes something to you. You're no longer together; you can't rely on him for these things anymore. Shared custody of children is fine; shared custody of dog when one partner doesn't even want it... not fine.

I really hope I'm not coming across as harsh, because I do feel your pain. In your post I see some of myself when my I first broke up with my ex... I could get really angry that he wasn't living up to his end of the bargain on some things. Except, now that I see that the things I was asking of him were the kinds of things that someone asks of their real partner, not their ex... I just hadn't gotten used to the fact that "we're broken up and don't live together anymore" means "you don't have to do all these things that otherwise inconvenience me anymore". Even if he had agreed to do them when we were first breaking up.

Good luck, and definitely keep your dog! Break-ups mean you need your pets more than ever.
post #7 of 10
I think 3 potty breaks a day is the minimum so I agree that she needs an outing before bedtime. I know that when we lived in apartment buildings, the outing just before bed was literally walk to nearest patch of grass, dog pees, and we head right back inside and go to bed.

I'm not sure what your apartment setup is like (high rise, in a house, etc) or if you would be comfortable with this, but what about taking the dog out for that last quick pee if your DD is sleeping? Honestly if the dog had an upset tummy in the middle of the night and had to go out that's what you'd have to do anyway. It would be much easier in a lower floor apt or a house, than if you're on the 27th floor and need to wait a long time for an elevator each way.
post #8 of 10
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Thanks to everyone for your responses. It gives me a reality check! I will work on getting the dog to pee outside in front of the house at night while DD is sleeping and see what I can do about regular exercise when it is most possible.

You all make sense and it is good to hear your points of view.

THANK YOU.

Here's to happy pets! Happy children! And happy parents!

~ Denise
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Originally Posted by pinecone View Post
he forgot to come entirely one night and I had to scramble to get a friend to come over and sit in the house with DD while slept, so that I could get the dog out to go potty before bed.

I think he's not living up to his responsibility and getting rid of the dog would another big change for DD that isn't really about her choices but about DH and I deciding to divorce. My goal is to lessen the impact of this event on her life as best possible.
I agree with other posters that you can take the dog to the nearest grass outside the lawn to pee while dd is asleep just inside - whether that is early morning or late evening.

It does sound like he isn't really going to help you with the dog anymore. Keeping the dog to lessen the divorce's impact on your dd now falls to you. It sounds like you can make it work. I really admire you for taking this on solo so your dd can keep her pet.

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Last question - should I FORCE DD to take the dog on a walk with me??
Yep. She is seven; she can deal. It is part of the responsibility of pet ownership, and she isn't too young to learn that. If you had a baby that needed something, or an elderly relative that needed something, she would just have to go along - same thing.

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now that I see that the things I was asking of him were the kinds of things that someone asks of their real partner, not their ex... I just hadn't gotten used to the fact that "we're broken up and don't live together anymore" means "you don't have to do all these things that otherwise inconvenience me anymore".
I think SoulCakes is 100% on the mark. Adjusting to this change will hopefully keep your co-parenting relationship at the current good state.

My vote would be quick bathroom break when you get up and before you go to bed, then a 30 minute walk after school with dd along. On weekends you can take the dog on a longer walk, to the dog park, etc. I agree that the dog will adjust and accept this change. I assume you can still play mild games with the dog inside and/or pay extra attention to her if she seems to be missing the outside time.
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My vote would be quick bathroom break when you get up and before you go to bed, then a 30 minute walk after school with dd along. On weekends you can take the dog on a longer walk, to the dog park, etc. I agree that the dog will adjust and accept this change. I assume you can still play mild games with the dog inside and/or pay extra attention to her if she seems to be missing the outside time.
ITA with the above. One good long walk per day (force your daughter to come along if necessary) and for the rest of the potty breaks the yard close to where you live would be perfectly fine if your daughter is sleeping inside. Wander around the yard to let your dog choose a good spot, then return to that area each time and your dog will regard it as the potty spot.
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