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How to teach "screaming for fun" is NOT fun

post #1 of 14
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Halo!

We have a little 28-month old boy who, up until this point has been, the easiest kid in the world. The word "discipline" has never even entered our minds, because he would stop doing anything we asked him to stop doing, especially if we offered a distraction.

Other parents have confided they are gleefully watching our struggle now, as it proves he is, indeed, a normal kid.

He will NOT stop screaming. A very quiet, soft-spoken kid until now, we had some houseguests for two days over the holidays who were quite loud. He decided he liked it. And he will not stop.

He is bored and excited and thinks it's fun. He squeals and runs and squeals and makes up songs and screams and yells. And then follows it up by saying, "That's my outside voice!"

Thus far, we have tried:
1. "Please do not scream. We do not scream in this house."
2. "Can you please speak quietly to me?"
3. "If you'd like to yell, let's go to your Yelling Tent." Then I take him into a little pop-up tent in his bedroom, where we yell and scream for a few minutes. This, I found, only works if I go in there with him. And generally he is only yelling when he knows I cannot go with him - such as when I am cooking.
4. "Please go into the other room if you're going to use a loud voice." Sometimes he will go into the living room, but generally no. He will stay in the kitchen and whisper for one or two syllables, then start screaming again.
5. During the day I usually realize he just needs attention and stimulation, so I provide that and he stops. But there are times, such as this morning, that he just simply needs to stop on his own.

Just now his father was getting him ready to go for a drive to Grammy's. He would NOT stop screaming while getting dressed at the back door. They left 20 minutes ago, and my ears are still ringing. When he put him into the car, DH said in desperation, "Stop yelling." DS looked at him in the eyes and yelled as loud as he could.

You've heard it before, and I'm saying it now - this is NOT my child. I have never seen him act like this before. To be defiant has never occurred to him. My husband swears it's something in his diet*.

So. We are not threatening parents. Or bribing parents. We are discipline parents. This kid needs a choice between two options. And he needs a consequence. But as I've never had to come up with one before, I don't have the faintest idea what that consequence could be. "If you don't stop screaming, you're not going to Grammy's" is a threat. I understand that. But what is a consequence?

I think I just need some sort of beginner help in this whole discipline game. And some consequence suggestions. Please help!


*We recently introduced dairy, which in the past has greatly affect him, but physically - not emotionally.

Also, I am 12 weeks pregnant, and I hear they understand this before you tell them and begin acting out?
post #2 of 14
It sounds like you've tried a lot of great things already. I'm not sure if this will work, but have you tried getting down to his level and putting your hands over your ears and making a "this hurts me" face? Maybe say "Ow, yelling hurts mama's ears".

Hopefully it's just a phase that will pass soon. Hang in there!
post #3 of 14
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Halo!

We have a little 28-month old boy who, up until this point has been, the easiest kid in the world. The word "discipline" has never even entered our minds, because he would stop doing anything we asked him to stop doing, especially if we offered a distraction.
What finally worked for me was the inside/outside voice treatment. If you want to use an outside voice, then you need to go outside. When DS and DD were being too loud, I very simply said "you have a choice. If you want to stay inside, then you need to choose to use an inside voice." When they continued to scream, I got them dressed for outdoors and put them in the back yard and locked the door. We could easily speak through the glass door and communicate, and I said for them to let me know when they are ready to use their inside voices, and then they can come back inside.

Of course, at the time, it was the middle of the summer and not -20C outside.

Honestly, if it happened today? I'd probably do the same thing anyway. Being outside for a couple minutes dressed warm for the winter weather in good quality clothing won't hurt them, and if they get truly cold, they'll choose pretty quick to use an inside voice.
post #4 of 14
We said "owie that hurts my ears" or "shouting hurts peoples ears and feelings". We talked about how loud voices scare some people or can give them a head ache. It works pretty good for preschool, often in the car and sometimes at home. If we're shopping and the room echos when you're loud, DD just has to make it echo sometimes. DD is 4 and we've been dealing with the her exuberance and excitability since about 18 months. She does tell DH that he is too loud.

When your DS is bored have you tried letting him paint? Painting seems to calm my DD.
post #5 of 14
i would strongly suspect dairy if he has had a problem with it before. when a person who is sensitive to it eats diary, it actually makes neurotoxins in the body. in adults this looks like fatigue, but in children it looks like hyperactivity. this is also true for gluten intolerances.
my dd is allergic to both (she's also 28 months) and i'm telling you, if you didn't know about the diary, you would just think here's a two year old "misbehaving". when we got the dairy and gluten out of her diet she went back to being herself.
i would definitely take the dairy out of his diet again and see if it makes a difference. it takes 2-3 weeks to get it completely out of your system but you should be able to see improvements in him in a week or so if it's the culprit.
good luck.
post #6 of 14
I have found that ignoring the behaviors I don't want to see really helps to stop those behaviors quickly. I don't do this with destructive behaviors because I think those things need a clear stop message, but I use it whenever possible with things just annoying.

I was surprised when my dd started to have a will of her own because she was such an easy child until she was about three. I worried a lot about what I should do and whether I was raising my dd the right way because so many people in our society are so focused on punishing kids when they don't make a choice the parent is happy with. As dd got older I became more comfortable with talking choosing my battles wisely, guiding her to choices I am okay with, distracting her, and talking to her about the reasons behind my expectations. I also started teaching her how to tell me she doesn't agree with my point of view in a way that respects both of us. I don't worry so much about how I parent now. I have come to a point where I am very happy that she has a mind of her own and stands up for her opinions and desires in positive ways. It was hard to get to this point and it did take a long time for me to get used to her being her own person, but it was has also been a very positive thing for both of us.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by ATD_Mom View Post
"If you don't stop screaming, you're not going to Grammy's" is a threat. I understand that. But what is a consequence?
I think it depends on how it's relayed. If instead you said "your yelling hurts my ears, especially in the car. I can't drive you all the way to grammy's with you screaming. You need to choose to use your indoor voice or you choose to stay home".

We have a rule on our house, if you have to scream you can do it in your room. We had to institute the rule because our youngest screams in a pitch that make dolphins cringe. (SERIOUSLY!) When we institute the rule I would calmly explain - while carrying her to her room - that she wasn't in trouble. That she could leave her room any time she wanted. But her room was where that sound could occur. She could stay as long or as little as she wanted, but when she was done she could come outside of her room.

It took a bit of back and forth before she caught on. (Sometimes she stands at the top of the stairs and yells just to prove she don't have to stand in her room. Which I let go depending on what the circumstances are.) It was worth the up and down the stairs to work it out.
post #8 of 14
Well, if he's doing it just for fun, then I would make him think that whispering is the most fun thing in the world!

When my kids are being loud and screaming/singing at the top of their voice and I can't take it - like in the car - I just start whispering and they have to be quiet to hear me. Then I make a game of whispering or whisper singing to engage them.

I also ask them to go to their room or downstairs if they want to play music, musical instruments if it will bother anyone or if they are yelling or screaming.
post #9 of 14
screaming on purpose to push buttons was one of the signs of DS1's magnesium deficiency.
post #10 of 14
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Well, guess what? He stopped.

I think it was a combination of three things: 1. The phase simply passed; 2. We haven't seen his really (really) loud friends in a few weeks; 3. We stopped soy. (In addition, I was beside myself with first-trimester exhaustion during this whole screaming phase, and I'm quite certain I wasn't doing enough to entertain and stimulate him. Now that we're back to a routine, it's helping.)

I truly think soy was the culprit - making the phase unbearable. Staring at his Papa in the face and screaming as loud as he could - I think that certainly was dietary, and not my son. Once we switched to rice milk (vs. the soy we had started about a week before this all began), he went back to himself.

Every once in a while he'll let out a sound too loud for me, and without me saying anything, he says, "I will go to my yelling tent now!" He doesn't actually go - he gets distracted on the way there. But he does stop. I haven't had to ask him to use his outside voice in weeks.

So. This phase has passed. I'm so thankful for all of your advice!

But what of the next one? I have here from the library Dr. Sears' The Discipline Book and Faber/Mazlish's How To Talk So Kids Will Listen and Listen So Kids Will Talk. Are there other great books about conscious discipline for parents of toddlers?
post #11 of 14
I really like Kids, Parents & Power Struggles and Playful Parenting.

The Emotional Life of the Toddler is good too.
post #12 of 14
We had a screaming tree when Rain was little. It was in the back yard, and it was just the place to go for screaming. In the beginning she (and all the neighborhood kids, and sometimes me) would go out there and scream at it a lot, but they lost interest after a pretty short time...
post #13 of 14
My 4.5yo is a screamer, I feel your pain! At our house we've devised a "rule of 3" when it comes to screaming, the first screaming incident I will take the child downstairs and we work it out together, second screaming incident child goes downstairs alone, third incident child goes to mandatory quiet time for about 10min. This has greatly decreased the number of time dd will resort to screaming.
post #14 of 14
It was a short screaming phase for my daughter. The rule was that she could scream in her room or scream outside. If she persisted in screaming elsewhere, she was placed in her room. She was allowed to come out any time, however if she started screaming she went right back in her room. Consistency in enforcing this rule probably lead to the behaviour being extinguished shortly.
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