REAL folate is much better than folic acid - Page 5

[Koalamom]

Originally Posted by corysmilk

ok not trying to be rude, but why is this in the already pregant section? I am going to worry now about another thing. I do not have money just sitting here, waiting for me to order stuff online. we are an average family with very little income. I come to these boards because I breastfeed and use cloth and I am interested in learning more. but to be told My baby is going to have this and that, cause I can't afford the GOOD stuff is well... bull.
I have 3 seemingly healthy children.
way to make a prego mama scared!

Interesting point. Perhaps it should be in the TTC section?

I hear ya about not enough money for fancy supplements. I can only afford whole foods and we eat alot of greens and lentils everyday and liver once a week if we can afford it. Grass fed liver is $5 a package.
We have a green smoothie, and a huge helping of steamed greens. I think we are doing well for folate. And we drink nettles infusion everyday.

If I had the MTHFR gene (who knows if I do, never tested) , I may look into homeopathy and different trace minerals as both have been known to actually change the genes. We are doing these things anyway and are seeing difference in our food allergy reactions.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by summerlilies

I have a friend who is tongue-tied. She has had 1 child and then 8 miscarriages - all around 6 weeks. Could this be MTHFR? If so, what specific blood tests would she ask for and what can she do to prevent another miscarriage?

Thank you Pat and others for this information.

I'd ask for the MTHFR gene blood test.

Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by corysmilk

ok not trying to be rude, but why is this in the already pregant section? I am going to worry now about another thing. I do not have money just sitting here, waiting for me to order stuff online. we are an average family with very little income. I come to these boards because I breastfeed and use cloth and I am interested in learning more. but to be told My baby is going to have this and that, cause I can't afford the GOOD stuff is well... bull.
I have 3 seemingly healthy children.
way to make a prego mama scared!

The issue is that during pregnancy, taking synthetic folic acid has risks. And the emphasis on EATING food folate for proper DNA development. Both are empowering and important actions that a pregnant mother can do.

Nothing to order on line. Eat Greens.


Pat

[corysmilk]

Originally Posted by WuWei

The issue is that during pregnancy, taking synthetic folic acid has risks. And the emphasis on EATING food folate for proper DNA development. Both are empowering and important actions that a pregnant mother can do.

Nothing to order on line. Eat Greens.


Pat

well I take extra of the bad folic acid, see I was told it was ok. now your saying its not. I do eat greens, beans, liver once in while, I like it. but not everyday. i still think this should be moved so we don't have to worry about more stuff. put it in a diffrent section.

I know a woman who could not eat while pg and she never misscarried and the baby was fine. she drank insure, when she could keep it down.

I have been looking at the links and how can you say nothiing needs to be bought? keifer starters, probiaotics there was more, i can't recall right now.

anyway I know my baby is healthy and fine.

[Kidzaplenty]

I think there will always be new things to "worry about" when pg. That is just how life is. I like all the new information. Because, it helps me make better decisions. And if I don't like it or can't afford it, I will retain the good part of the info and leave the rest.

I think that if you are a worrier, then you need to be extra careful on any of these boards. Because you will always find things to worry about. If you are not, like me, it does not really matter.

[WaitingForKiddos]

Corysmilk, I agree with you. When this thread was first posted months ago it was titled something like 'folic acid is bad' (not exactly that wording). I, being a mama who was then taking a BIG (2-4mg) of 'fake' folate daily to keep my baby healthy. I felt it was a harmful post for those of us who can't/don't eat natural folate in the big quantities that our healthcare team has recommended. I also feel that the normal ol' folic acid our midwives/ob's/peri's are recommending is fine. That a handful of studies don't change the previous research and recommendations.

Of course it's always good to go with the most natural source for folate but that just isn't reasonable for many (most?) mamas.

[CherryBomb]

I'm not sure if I should laugh or pound my head against a wall.

Thanks, but I'll keep taking my prenatals.

[corysmilk]

Originally Posted by CherryBomb

I'm not sure if I should laugh or pound my head against a wall.

Thanks, but I'll keep taking my prenatals.

neither

[corysmilk]

Originally Posted by WaitingForKiddos

Corysmilk, I agree with you. When this thread was first posted months ago it was titled something like 'folic acid is bad' (not exactly that wording). I, being a mama who was then taking a BIG (2-4mg) of 'fake' folate daily to keep my baby healthy. I felt it was a harmful post for those of us who can't/don't eat natural folate in the big quantities that our healthcare team has recommended. I also feel that the normal ol' folic acid our midwives/ob's/peri's are recommending is fine. That a handful of studies don't change the previous research and recommendations.

Of course it's always good to go with the most natural source for folate but that just isn't reasonable for many (most?) mamas.

i am still taking mine too

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by CherryBomb

I'm not sure if I should laugh or pound my head against a wall.

Thanks, but I'll keep taking my prenatals.

You can get a prenatal with folate if you want. Thorne makes them, sells them online and I hear at some HFSs (mine doesn't carry them though), it's not a crazy expensive brand, and there are lots of sales online.

eta: I think there's at least one more company that uses real folate, one of the companies that makes food-based supps, but I don't remember the name.

[mama1803]

I'm a bit surprised with all of the hostile responses here...personally, I've always been of the mindset that more information was always better than less. Even if I am skeptical of something posted here at the very least it allows me the opportunity to do my own research and come to my own conclusions, which IMO, is always preferable to being unaware.

One food I didn't see listed in the OP was pastured eggs. Polyface just posted nutritional info for their pastured eggs which are loaded with folate compared to their conventionally produced counterparts.

http://www.polyfaceyum.com//index.ph...index&cPath=67

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by mama1803

I'm a bit surprised with all of the hostile responses here...personally, I've always been of the mindset that more information was always better than less. Even if I am skeptical of something posted here at the very least it allows me the opportunity to do my own research and come to my own conclusions, which IMO, is always preferable to being unaware.

I was just going to post exactly what you said!

[kl5]

Dr. Hyman addressing this very issue.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by mama1803

One food I didn't see listed in the OP was pastured eggs. Polyface just posted nutritional info for their pastured eggs which are loaded with folate compared to their conventionally produced counterparts.

http://www.polyfaceyum.com//index.ph...index&cPath=67

That's an awful lot of folate... I'm wondering if a decimal point was dropped somewhere. 10,200 mcg of folate per (probably 100 grams of egg?) is massive, I think far more than any other food I've seen. 102.00 would still be double the USDA standard egg.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by tanyalynn

That's an awful lot of folate... I'm wondering if a decimal point was dropped somewhere. 10,200 mcg of folate per (probably 100 grams of egg?) is massive, I think far more than any other food I've seen. 102.00 would still be double the USDA standard egg.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Real-...gs.aspx?page=4

Here's the article, but I don't see a lot of discussion of folate, except for this little bit at the end, I have a feeling there's data that just isn't quoted in this article (at least the online version).

In 1974, the British Journal of Nutrition found that pastured eggs had 50 percent more folic acid and 70 percent more vitamin B12 than eggs from factory farm hens.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

Mother to one bouncy five-year-old and a new little munchkin, who joined the outside world in March.

Congratulations!!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by WaitingForKiddos

I also feel that the normal ol' folic acid our midwives/ob's/peri's are recommending is fine.

This is the problem with mainstream medicine when "normal" is seen as the synthetic version!

Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1

Grass fed liver is $5 a package.

I believe it's chicken livers not beef livers which are high in folate? I've made a significant effort to make chicken liver pate regularly (Ina Garten's recipe is my fave, with pickles on it!)

Wow, turkey livers are really high!
http://www.westonaprice.org/food-fea...ver-files.html

I would be PSYCHED if pastured egg yolks are super high in folate, or even just regular high... DS eats at least 2 a day.

[JaneS]

Sorry to serial again, I just gotta post this b/c it left me feeling upset.

What is driving this thread is mamas who have had children with significant health issues. We are just trying to find out "Why" and trying to help other mamas with our journey.

Our world and food supply has become significantly detached from what creates true health. For me, MDC has put me back in touch with my mother wisdom and the wisdom of the universe... not the dictates of corporations with agendas and mainstream doctors and their limited knowledge of nutrition and how it effects the human body.

There is a lot we don't understand about health and disease, but we are certainly trying our best. And fighting an uphill battle against conventional wisdom. The wisdom which is now resulting in a generation of children with the highest chronic diease rates in history.

I disagree with the fact that most kids are born healthy... the 4 A Disorders: autism, allergies, asthma and ADHD are absolutely skyrocketing! Autism rates of 1 in 100 children: 1 in 58 boys is just frightening! And obesity, cavities, diabetes... the list of never before seen rates of disease in the current generation goes on.

Please be gentle. It is meant with positive intention. And I believe this is the kind of "can't get anywhere else" knowledge that is truly one of the most special things about this board.

[dannic]

I am pregnant and so I can understand things bringing on worry during pregnancy. I can also understand wanting to throw this info out there as I have two daughters who have things on the list (allergies, intolerances, tongue ties, ect).
I can also understand not having much money...we are living on very (VERY) little with no assistance (being self-employed, money comes in spurts and we've seen a lot of dry spells the past two yrs)...and yet...I can buy spinach and beans are super cheap...and so are garden seeds, so I can grow some greens and beets (altho we're getting too hot for those here).
We don't do gov't assistance (for personal beliefs) but I know wic offers farmers market "checks" now too. There are definately options.
Thorne prenatals are super inexpensive as far as prenatals go...

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Sorry to serial again, I just gotta post this b/c it left me feeling upset.

What is driving this thread is mamas who have had children with significant health issues. We are just trying to find out "Why" and trying to help other mamas with our journey.

Our world and food supply has become significantly detached from what creates true health. For me, MDC has put me back in touch with my mother wisdom and the wisdom of the universe... not the dictates of corporations with agendas and mainstream doctors and their limited knowledge of nutrition and how it effects the human body.

There is a lot we don't understand about health and disease, but we are certainly trying our best. And fighting an uphill battle against conventional wisdom. The wisdom which is now resulting in a generation of children with the highest chronic diease rates in history.

I disagree with the fact that most kids are born healthy... the 4 A Disorders: autism, allergies, asthma and ADHD are absolutely skyrocketing! Autism rates of 1 in 100 children: 1 in 58 boys is just frightening! And obesity, cavities, diabetes... the list of never before seen rates of disease in the current generation goes on.

Please be gentle. It is meant with positive intention. And I believe this is the kind of "can't get anywhere else" knowledge that is truly one of the most special things about this board.

Couldn't have said that better, totally agree!